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The 2011 model

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Right here's one for you

We still have a fair few years left in us looking at our panel and looking at at least 4-5 of the current U21 side capable of playing at the highest level

But the great thing is, our 2011 panel weren't up the standard of the current version

Yet with the right tactics, we got to a NFL Div 1 final, won the AI in the same year, and competed in a semifinal the following year

It's a great system to fall back on.. we'll still have very good players in place, right tactics, deployed at the right times and we could easily be winning titles again under a 2011 model

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19836 - 04/04/2017 19:26:27    1975674

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The 2011 way will reappear if we start getting outplayed in a football sense. The only team potentially capable of doing this in the near future is probably Kerry, so I'd say it would require a brief return to the bad old days before that happens.
As you say, it's always there to fall back on, but a bit like Donegal, you need a certain personality at the helm for it to work.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7701 - 05/04/2017 00:11:01    1975832

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Right here's one for you

We still have a fair few years left in us looking at our panel and looking at at least 4-5 of the current U21 side capable of playing at the highest level

But the great thing is, our 2011 panel weren't up the standard of the current version

Yet with the right tactics, we got to a NFL Div 1 final, won the AI in the same year, and competed in a semifinal the following year

It's a great system to fall back on.. we'll still have very good players in place, right tactics, deployed at the right times and we could easily be winning titles again under a 2011 model"
That 2011 model style of play has been superceded in the intervening years as the scoring average's have gotten higher. The other top teams (div 1 teams ) have only in the last 2/3 years copped on that the McGeeney type plus 16 minus 10 mantra might win the odd game but will not win a championship. Dublin under jim were ahead of the game on this and the donegal defeat brought balance to their defense allowing even greater team structure. Why would dublin go to lower their scoring average when even Monaghan the arch proponents of the lone inside scoring forward have moved to playing two inside to increase scoring prowess.

ctowers (Dublin) - Posts: 78 - 05/04/2017 10:03:57    1975895

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Replying To realdub:  "The 2011 way will reappear if we start getting outplayed in a football sense. The only team potentially capable of doing this in the near future is probably Kerry, so I'd say it would require a brief return to the bad old days before that happens.
As you say, it's always there to fall back on, but a bit like Donegal, you need a certain personality at the helm for it to work."
Exactly man

It's one hell of a tactic, and we'll still have the players to make it very successful, im not saying we have to do it this decade but the day will come when we have to look at 2011 in a serious way, after 2017 I think we have another 5 years where we'll be in the top 3 and capable of winning national titles. Especially with the Super 8 soon on board.

After that we may need to look back at where this all started.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19836 - 05/04/2017 15:57:46    1976048

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What is this thread even about?
It's like saying we are playing great attacking football which is causing almost every team in the country to become obsessed with stopping us and you want to abandon that and what start playing a different way ?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/04/2017 16:06:43    1976058

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "What is this thread even about?
It's like saying we are playing great attacking football which is causing almost every team in the country to become obsessed with stopping us and you want to abandon that and what start playing a different way ?"
No it's not Hill honestly

We're not always going to have the current level of panel, and when that time comes we have an option available that will always make ourselves very competitive, at the minute we're spoked for choice, we have fringe players that would have serious game time in the Barton years, but back then we were trying to go tie for toe, now there's a whole different option

The bad old days will never return, not saying we have to abandon anything

But also Hill, we're nowhere near all out attack anymore, we drop plenty back now and have become a far better team for it, when the time comes when we're not producing the level of forwards we currently are, there's always the 2011 model to fall back on

It's a realisation thread that there's no excuse to even have a period like 96-10 ever again, once we deeply the right tactics.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19836 - 05/04/2017 16:47:45    1976079

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Feckin spell check

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19836 - 05/04/2017 18:39:12    1976121

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So this thread is trying to o say even when this great generation of players fade away, then it will be grand sure we can easily go back to the more defensive tactics from 2011 and keep winning.

That is silly.
It assumes a number of things:
1) That other counties will not change thier tactics and improve accordingly
2) That other counties will not have a great crop of players of thier own and dominate
3) That when Cluxton goes Dublin find a keeper of even half the standard to play tactics and be comfortable on the ball
4) That Dublin will never fall behind in innovation and the cutting edge support systems
5) That complacency and lack of hunger will never set in
6) That a manager as good as Jim Gavin will come in and do as good a job - keeping players and squad united

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 05/04/2017 23:39:10    1976283

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Don't believe in crystal balls

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 06/04/2017 08:57:31    1976333

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