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Replying To JuniorB_14:  "Is it time to revamp the Junior championship? It looks like the second teams are getting stronger each year. Splitting it into 2 groups, with first teams on one side and second teams on the other. With the top 2 teams going into the semi final. Might give the first teams a better chance. Just throwing it out there as there will be 6 first teams in junior next year."
Do you want to give them a better chance or improve them, no point having them in a separate group if they aren't good enough either after getting to a semi final, they'll get beaten at some stage. A split league with less games probably cost them this year, you can't beat games for improving teams of any grade, first team, second team, third team, especially a first team that's junior as you probably struggle for numbers as it is & training will only do so much.

GAA-NUT-ish (Roscommon) - Posts: 5 - 18/10/2021 14:51:30    2386095

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Replying To GAA-NUT-ish:  "Do you want to give them a better chance or improve them, no point having them in a separate group if they aren't good enough either after getting to a semi final, they'll get beaten at some stage. A split league with less games probably cost them this year, you can't beat games for improving teams of any grade, first team, second team, third team, especially a first team that's junior as you probably struggle for numbers as it is & training will only do so much."
Give them a better chance, as most second teams are stronger in the first few group games before they lose a few to to the first team. The first teams would be getting 5 games in the group instead of 3.

JuniorB_14 (Roscommon) - Posts: 14 - 18/10/2021 18:44:00    2386145

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Any word on Cunningham's back room team for next year?

dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 662 - 19/10/2021 11:43:11    2386229

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Replying To JuniorB_14:  "Give them a better chance, as most second teams are stronger in the first few group games before they lose a few to to the first team. The first teams would be getting 5 games in the group instead of 3."
Its not a bad shout, over the last number of years the Semi Finals tend to have 3 or 4 B teams. In your proposal, even if both first teams were to lose the semi final, they could play off to see who gets into Connacht?

Much like the discussion in our inter county game about restructuring the championships, I think our own need to change. I preferred the most recent format of 2 groups of 6 to what we have currently, why we reverted back to 3 groups of 4 I do not know.

There is a big discrepancy to me between the top teams and bottom of senior, and the same in intermediate. The top teams in Intermediate are more on a par with those at the bottom end of spectrum in senior than people realise.

Maybe I'm talking bull but I think there is a worthwhile conversation to be had. Should B teams have their own championship maybe? Would it help the likes of the Joes, Ballinameen or even Creggs if they weren't being hammered by B teams? It was a bit embarrassing for Creggs to lose to Clann B by the scoreline they did I'm sure

ClubNo1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 23 - 19/10/2021 12:16:19    2386237

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Congrats to Athleague on retaining the county hurling title. Tremane certainly took the game to them especially the excellent Niall Kilroy with a personal tally of 0-12 and lead by a point at half time but Athleague really stepped up 2nd half whereby their experience of playing in the last 3 final shone through.

Be interesting to see how they fare in Connacht championship now."
Roscommon champions to get their annual pasting from Tooreen.

GerBo (Roscommon) - Posts: 68 - 19/10/2021 14:19:59    2386257

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Replying To ClubNo1:  "Its not a bad shout, over the last number of years the Semi Finals tend to have 3 or 4 B teams. In your proposal, even if both first teams were to lose the semi final, they could play off to see who gets into Connacht?

Much like the discussion in our inter county game about restructuring the championships, I think our own need to change. I preferred the most recent format of 2 groups of 6 to what we have currently, why we reverted back to 3 groups of 4 I do not know.

There is a big discrepancy to me between the top teams and bottom of senior, and the same in intermediate. The top teams in Intermediate are more on a par with those at the bottom end of spectrum in senior than people realise.

Maybe I'm talking bull but I think there is a worthwhile conversation to be had. Should B teams have their own championship maybe? Would it help the likes of the Joes, Ballinameen or even Creggs if they weren't being hammered by B teams? It was a bit embarrassing for Creggs to lose to Clann B by the scoreline they did I'm sure"
A stand alone competition for 5 or 6 teams isn't going to bring anyone on. If those teams actually regress nobody will notice as they are only playing themselves. Also many players make their name playing junior before breaking into the first team (intermediate/senior) & you are taking that opportunity away form them also.
I think the reason to have the three groups was to show some sort of respect to the competition to play it the same way as the senior & intermediate.
Don't take this up the wrong way but it's a little condescending to say help them from being hammered, that's not a reason to change it up, maybe they need to get their house in order, why bring everyone down instead of trying to bring them up. Maybe there was hammerings as those teams are more Intermediate standard than Junior standard.

GAA-NUT-ish (Roscommon) - Posts: 5 - 19/10/2021 14:57:31    2386264

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Replying To GAA-NUT-ish:  "A stand alone competition for 5 or 6 teams isn't going to bring anyone on. If those teams actually regress nobody will notice as they are only playing themselves. Also many players make their name playing junior before breaking into the first team (intermediate/senior) & you are taking that opportunity away form them also.
I think the reason to have the three groups was to show some sort of respect to the competition to play it the same way as the senior & intermediate.
Don't take this up the wrong way but it's a little condescending to say help them from being hammered, that's not a reason to change it up, maybe they need to get their house in order, why bring everyone down instead of trying to bring them up. Maybe there was hammerings as those teams are more Intermediate standard than Junior standard."
Well I didn't mean to have a championship of just 5 or 6 teams I meant restructure the lot to improve the standard of football for everyone in all regions of the county.

How would it be taking that opportunity away? They would still have games and training to showcase their talent to the 1st team management.

And I meant when all championships went from 2 groups of 6 to 3 groups 4, they all changed at the same time. 2 groups of 6 was better in senior and intermediate in my mind.

Is it not condescending to say the teams I mentioned need to get their house in order? Creggs have been improving every year for the last few years but its not exactly helpful when Clann B come along and hammer them is it?

ClubNo1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 23 - 19/10/2021 15:34:25    2386281

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Replying To ClubNo1:  "Its not a bad shout, over the last number of years the Semi Finals tend to have 3 or 4 B teams. In your proposal, even if both first teams were to lose the semi final, they could play off to see who gets into Connacht?

Much like the discussion in our inter county game about restructuring the championships, I think our own need to change. I preferred the most recent format of 2 groups of 6 to what we have currently, why we reverted back to 3 groups of 4 I do not know.

There is a big discrepancy to me between the top teams and bottom of senior, and the same in intermediate. The top teams in Intermediate are more on a par with those at the bottom end of spectrum in senior than people realise.

Maybe I'm talking bull but I think there is a worthwhile conversation to be had. Should B teams have their own championship maybe? Would it help the likes of the Joes, Ballinameen or even Creggs if they weren't being hammered by B teams? It was a bit embarrassing for Creggs to lose to Clann B by the scoreline they did I'm sure"
Realistically a B team only championship is going to end up being a Clann Brigids final most years barring a shock.

Don't think it's the right way to go about it. Also, is that fair on stronger B teams? Clann got to an Intermediate semi final this year, don't see why they should be punished for being better than some first teams. Brigids would have done well in Intermediate this year too giving how close the 2020 Junior Final was.

Ros13 (Roscommon) - Posts: 82 - 19/10/2021 16:24:56    2386299

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Replying To Ros13:  "Realistically a B team only championship is going to end up being a Clann Brigids final most years barring a shock.

Don't think it's the right way to go about it. Also, is that fair on stronger B teams? Clann got to an Intermediate semi final this year, don't see why they should be punished for being better than some first teams. Brigids would have done well in Intermediate this year too giving how close the 2020 Junior Final was."
I 100% take your point, and that's the other side of it, your right, but the junior championship final as is over the last few years when possible has been clann and brigids anyway.

I'm just thinking of other smaller regions who would have previously competed and won junior championships. Realistically are any of the 6 first teams going to win it next year? Probably not.

So to me, maybe I'm being biased to the small region, its not their fault their numbers are down due emigration/job opportunities etc. Should they not have a chance of winning a championship instead of seeing brigids or clann winning 2 in a year?

Just thought it was a conversation worth having is all

ClubNo1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 23 - 19/10/2021 16:50:42    2386312

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Replying To GerBo:  "Roscommon champions to get their annual pasting from Tooreen."
Lost by 5 to Tooreen in their last Connacht meeting. The Mayo lads are obviously strong as was good enough to recently win Connacht and give a good account of themselves in the AI series.

Looking forward to Sundays intermediate football final, both sides are free scoring with good forwards with a keen eye for goals and don't put a big focus on defense so it should be a high scoring game so long as the weather doesn't ruin the contest.

Can't call it, extra time is possible I just hope another intermediate final isn't decided on a penalty shoot out.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 2914 - 19/10/2021 17:03:35    2386319

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