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panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2479 - 23/11/2020 21:09:58 2314310 Link 0 |
Kind of agree on the odonnell and brennan point though you still want your best players on the field and it can be a fine line. Gallen was doing that roll excellently and if you look back against tyrone he made a huge difference when he came on. He had two direct assists for points, a key play for another one and scored the last one. You can make an argument we would not have won without him. He has a bit of star dust about him. I hope he's ok as he's had injuries over the last while.
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 350 - 23/11/2020 21:13:41 2314312 Link 0 |
Yep sorry benjyyy I forgot to include Armagh's 3 in a row. The 2004 Ulster final was a painful one in Croke Park, a lot of hype and excitement but Armagh destroyed us. I was glad to get the Ulster finals back to Clones after those years, was a strange move at the time
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1161 - 23/11/2020 21:20:02 2314318 Link 0 |
Personally I thought NOD did ok yesterday all things considered for the year he has had. He took two nice scores in the first half. I think considering he was one of the few to come out of Castlebar with any sort of credit.. in my view I think he has a good mentality and heaps of ability. I hope he gets a clear run in 2021 to try and improve his physique as well. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1161 - 23/11/2020 21:29:20 2314321 Link 2 |
What about the team that took the field against Tyrone a few weeks ago, did they look well coached as they responded to a sucker punch goal by reeling off 4 points against the wind?
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1161 - 23/11/2020 21:39:35 2314332 Link 2 |
I wouldn't even bother Joe just playing the blame game without really offering anything of substance. Again pure nonsense like the S & C not up to scratch then Rochford etc.....
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2479 - 23/11/2020 21:55:54 2314347 Link 0 |
I would have NOD in my starting 15 nearly every time. However my reply was one in agreement that is he one for a real dog fight? Maybe he will prove to be but also having him off the bench in such a game is certainly an option. Though with Thompson and Gallen out there was no other option. Definitely think Brennan should not be considered a definite starter in a dogfight kinda game. It has happened to him a few times now.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2479 - 23/11/2020 22:01:08 2314357 Link 1 |
The all blacks wouldn't have let that happen.
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 350 - 23/11/2020 22:02:37 2314358 Link 1 |
Regarding other players in the squad, caolan Ward seems to be limited to league appearances only and is a good steady player with plenty of ability, saw no cship time. Dara OBaoill although he made a few sub appearances doesn't seem to be in the reckoning was outstanding for gaoth dobhair in 2018, perhaps he hasn't built on that form. Brendan mccole came in from the wilderness to start saw no game time at all recently had a stellar campaign for DCU, what's become of eoghan mcgettigan looked to be on the verge of breaking in at the end of 2019, was very good for letterkenny IT in their sigerson campaign another who didn't feature. Aaron Doherty is probably one for the future and not ready yet. Of course none of us are privvy to how all these lads are training and we can only assume none of them put their hand up. totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 529 - 23/11/2020 22:13:36 2314367 Link 0 |
I just listened to it myself Ulster and indeed Stephen King spoke very well and a perfect example of being gracious in victory. To be fair I think most Donegal supporters have being gracious in defeat too despite the odd couple here and on social media as you would expect. Fair play indeed for Bonner coming on and speaking. He was obviously both gutted and mystified which was to be expected. I think he will stay on and deserves to for the work he has done. Just makes no sense changing with such a quick turnaround between seasons. That is if of course he doesn't decide to go himself. There is the elephant in the room of a certain Jim McGuinness whom from listening to certainly still has his passion for GAA and Donegal but still has unfinished business with soccer. On the show itself I would say BD was looking out for his club man by not really discussing the Cavan goal. We are all big fans of Patton but he needs to get his confidence back under the high ball. I am pretty certain he was always assured in this regard until Dublin in the league. I think you're spot on as well as someone else pointing out that that game was made for Leo McClone. Seen him a few times revelling in those conditions and he certainly wouldn't be lacking in returning that tenacious bite. Plus offering a calm influence when the game was in the melting pot. Regarding Carroll it has been debated here before. The required commitment would certainly be an issue. panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2479 - 23/11/2020 22:17:22 2314372 Link 0 |
Or the team that destroyed Armagh last week causing confusion in their defensive ranks with the fluid changes of positions with the Donegal players and utilizing the mark with different players....
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2479 - 23/11/2020 22:19:50 2314375 Link 0 |
The team took the field yesterday wasn't well coached but the team that beat Tyrone twice and Armagh in the semi final must have been well coached. It getting better this to mind is probably one of the best coached teams to come out of Donegal.. from reading through the Cavan forum after they got relegated there were a few posters calling for mickeys head but he's a hero today. Every county has them. I was talking to a few know it all's today and the rubbish they were talking would make you cringe. Why was gallen dropped, why was Thompson dropped, if you knew anything about football you would know that there had to be a reason for there omission. Lord help us
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 880 - 23/11/2020 22:59:41 2314396 Link 0 |
I think mcgettigan has had injury challenges recently and this has been referred to in interviews with the manager. Mccole did play against kerry though a bit strange to have not have seen any championship and then start. The presumption would be that he would have replaced mcgee in the tyrone match and mcmenamin in the armagh match. Though whatever the reason it's hard not to see him not getting an opportunity in the league (assuming normal schedule). Aaron Doherty will be 21 next year so would be expecting him to see some time next year, assuming he's good enough. -Conor odonnell (carn) probably going to start seeing some game time. I hope he's fully over his cruciate. -Peter mceniff might get called up (seems like a very effective half back for eunans and was decent for the under 20s) -know Colin mcfadden from st michaels was mentioned about having a good club championship. - would be nice to see gillespie back but no idea where he is at with his injury - would like to see a few marking defenders coming through. I though like gavigan looked decent for the under 20s. Is there any other decent defenders at club level that could make the jump? I don't know. Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 350 - 23/11/2020 23:42:51 2314412 Link 0 |
Thought O Donnell played well yesterday considering his illness all year. He nearly gets 2 from play every game. He needs to grab the game more and trust his ability. He can easily fire over a few long rangers but doesn't as I presume it's all about recycling and playing the safe option. TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 572 - 24/11/2020 00:59:44 2314429 Link 0 |
That's the thing with a straight knock out championship, you need to be on top of your game everyday you play. Be physically well prepared and not take teams for granted etc. Otherwise you'll end up on your backside like we did on Sunday. If you're happy enough for heartbreak each year keep cheerleading for the current set up. Some of us want to see an actual breakthrough which will take change.
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 43 - 24/11/2020 07:43:55 2314442 Link 0 |
That is a lazy, ill-informed and frankly insulting statement to make. Firstly to suggest that men like Declan Bonner, Karl Lacey and Stephen Rochford are not equipped for their roles. Secondly, that even if there was an ounce of credibility to what you've said, that players like McGee and Murphy - who have seen it all, would tolerate sub standard coaching? Laughable stuff. I'd like the same management team in situ for 2021. I'd nearly be more concerned about losing Rochford at this point. The logistics involved for him must be very challenging. Perhaps a different aspect needs to be covered - that being the psychological one? Not for the first time we've seen players who we know are very talented develop lead in their boots when the ante was raised. Perhaps Jim could be tempted to come on board to help? It would be a massive call to make. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7105 - 24/11/2020 09:16:58 2314464 Link 0 |
Reading this morning that Bonner is weighing up his options. naomh_conaill_4 (Donegal) - Posts: 364 - 24/11/2020 09:18:08 2314466 Link 0 |
It is going to take a long time to get over that defeat, the management and players must be gutted with the performance. I still find it hard to explain the non performance of Donegal. Cavan were brilliant and absolutely hounded us all over the pitch but looked like we were not ready for that kind of a battle. It was similar to the game in Castlebar last year where we had a system malfunction up front. We actually had plenty of chances against Cavan despite playing poorly but scores that were going over against Armagh were all going wide - we have to assume that is pressure. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1734 - 24/11/2020 09:45:08 2314479 Link 0 |
I like Declan, he has given so much to Donegal but sentiment has to be put aside , we havent passed any litmus tests under him from the minors in 2014 to a rainy day in Castlebar . No disrespect to Cavan but they were no test litmus . i know we seem to have injuries but Bonnar's obsession with small men has cost us again . He must be under the Mchugh /Kilcar mafia . ballyshannon (Donegal) - Posts: 152 - 24/11/2020 09:48:25 2314481 Link 1 |
Was the first round against Tyrone this year not an arm wrestle match? It was a dogfight and they won it.
High_and_wide (Donegal) - Posts: 5 - 24/11/2020 10:00:08 2314488 Link 0 |