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How only does the Fermanagh seniors use Lissan? And why is it not regularly used week after week like Tyrone's Garvaghey Centre?

999accam (Fermanagh) - Posts: 7 - 22/01/2016 20:22:52    1818596

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Fermanagh's senior footballers are making themselves available to supporters this Saturday.

To mark the launch of this years All-Ireland championship, a Fermanagh senior football team 'Open Day' is being held on Saturday, April 30th at the Lissan Training Complex at 12:00

If Lissan is a 'Training Complex' my back garden is also a 'Training Complex', everybody's gardens are now 'Training Complexes' - with the majority having a surface far superior to the 'Lissan Training Complex'.

solano (None) - Posts: 501 - 29/04/2016 12:45:14    1850669

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Replying To manituman:  "In my opinion Lissan is a big waste of money and has many more negatives than positives. Dont get me wrong a centre of excellence is a great idea, but to carry out the development in the way Lissan was done is a disgrace. The main problems I have with it are; * Cost - The land and development was far too high * The Site - Up a mountain? Hello! * Pitches - Only 2 Pitches and them of very poor quality. Newtownbuttler's pitch would be better, well it wouldn't, but you get my point! * Changing Rooms - Again only 2 changing rooms, fair enough big but only 2, what were they thinking? If there is a blitz or competition on this doesn't work. Thankyou, I look foward to hearing your views."
I'm no longer in Fermanagh but I was wondering whether or not if the WHITE ELEPHANT at LIssan is still used? Anyone know what it cost to develop? I know Pete McGrath never liked it as did many players over the seasons. There was some talk a few years ago about buying land closer to the town off the new link road (Irvinestown Road to Tempo Road). It would be great if a new combined county playing field and training grounds complex could be developed for the future.

SkeaLad (Fermanagh) - Posts: 497 - 15/01/2020 21:10:19    2260087

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From what I hear the county team don't train there at all. Agree it would be a great idea to have a new centre of excellence in Enniskillen but costs associated and the fact of what would become of Lissan will put in an end to that chat. It would be a good report for a local journalist to look into the dealings behind it.

sidelinecut40 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 81 - 16/01/2020 12:23:30    2260174

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Replying To sidelinecut40:  "From what I hear the county team don't train there at all. Agree it would be a great idea to have a new centre of excellence in Enniskillen but costs associated and the fact of what would become of Lissan will put in an end to that chat. It would be a good report for a local journalist to look into the dealings behind it."
Would the county have the money for a new centre?

Makes me sad going around the country and seeing other counties training facilities compared to our own!

Was a shared training centre with the rugby and soccer organisations in the cards?

allfermanagh (Fermanagh) - Posts: 77 - 16/01/2020 14:10:17    2260201

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Is that not what the proposed redevelopment on necarne will incorporate .. a new gaa facility to replace lissan .. nice n central eh ! Handy

KeshGFC (Fermanagh) - Posts: 229 - 16/01/2020 14:51:51    2260218

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Replying To KeshGFC:  "Is that not what the proposed redevelopment on necarne will incorporate .. a new gaa facility to replace lissan .. nice n central eh ! Handy"
The Necarne project is pie-in-the-sky idea and I'll believe it if it ever happens. In any case how would training facilities/playing fields work when these three sports have to be catered for at the same time? I doubt if the developer in question would see the project as commercially viable by allocating so much ground area that would be required. As for the suggestion the Irvinestown is a central location is a joke given that it is in north of the county. Enniskillen is central and the natural venue for any future centre of excellence.

For a journalist investigating the cost of the Lissan white elephant would be welcome but somehow I doubt if they would make any headway given the the need for cooperation by the GAA officials concerned. Lissan is a lost cause and it's best to move on and plan for a suitable modern replacement.

abc1234 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 390 - 16/01/2020 16:41:20    2260259

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This suggestion has been made previously but dismissed.
I agree with all posters that Lissan is a disaster and has been from the very start. The development at Necarne or in Irvinestown, whilst suitable enough, is skewed towards the north of the county. The development should be in Enniskillen and here is the solution. Make a deal with St Michaels for the use of their new facility on the link road. There are some teething problems but they are almost resolved. Here are the reasons why:
It's central for everyone and most of the Fermanagh team have used it through their College days.
All public transport runs through Enniskillen as does the major road networks.
It has easy access for parking etc..
As it's along a busy road, it would provide good advertising for the GAA.
It would rarely be used in the late evenings by St Michaels and so would be available to the County team from about 6.00pm onwards.
School blitzes etc. which happen occasionally, could be fitted in with forward planning.
Financially the cost of renting would be minimal as against the huge capital expenditure suggested for Lissan by other posters who seem to have done their homework on this aspect.

hairyhorses (Fermanagh) - Posts: 7 - 18/01/2020 15:51:07    2260603

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Replying To hairyhorses:  "This suggestion has been made previously but dismissed.
I agree with all posters that Lissan is a disaster and has been from the very start. The development at Necarne or in Irvinestown, whilst suitable enough, is skewed towards the north of the county. The development should be in Enniskillen and here is the solution. Make a deal with St Michaels for the use of their new facility on the link road. There are some teething problems but they are almost resolved. Here are the reasons why:
It's central for everyone and most of the Fermanagh team have used it through their College days.
All public transport runs through Enniskillen as does the major road networks.
It has easy access for parking etc..
As it's along a busy road, it would provide good advertising for the GAA.
It would rarely be used in the late evenings by St Michaels and so would be available to the County team from about 6.00pm onwards.
School blitzes etc. which happen occasionally, could be fitted in with forward planning.
Financially the cost of renting would be minimal as against the huge capital expenditure suggested for Lissan by other posters who seem to have done their homework on this aspect."
May I ask where all these dissenting voices were at the time of the Lissan development? Very few negative vibes came to the county board which represents all of the county's clubs. I guess the issue of Lissan's under use is more down to the people like you trying to make out that Lissan is remote to Enniskillen which isn't the case at all. By pumping out such nonsense for years is making players and others believe that it is in the mountain. Just look at Tyrone's centre of excellence and it's in the back of no where on a mountain! Somehow, I think the reason for such negativity is that key Enniskillen Gaels men where instrumental in developing our grand Lissan centre of excellence long before other counties and I believe many of you complainers are rural based and have anti-townie attitudes.

ekn_teacher (Fermanagh) - Posts: 236 - 18/01/2020 19:11:13    2260644

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Replying To ekn_teacher:  "May I ask where all these dissenting voices were at the time of the Lissan development? Very few negative vibes came to the county board which represents all of the county's clubs. I guess the issue of Lissan's under use is more down to the people like you trying to make out that Lissan is remote to Enniskillen which isn't the case at all. By pumping out such nonsense for years is making players and others believe that it is in the mountain. Just look at Tyrone's centre of excellence and it's in the back of no where on a mountain! Somehow, I think the reason for such negativity is that key Enniskillen Gaels men where instrumental in developing our grand Lissan centre of excellence long before other counties and I believe many of you complainers are rural based and have anti-townie attitudes."
Absolutely laughable amounts of delusion here. There are 2 pitches but only 2 changing rooms. So realistically you can't even play 2 matches at the same time. Also the pitches are nearly unplayable for about half of the year. The fact the senior footballers never train there tells it's own story.

shotgun (Fermanagh) - Posts: 82 - 23/01/2020 01:49:47    2261705

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Replying To shotgun:  "Absolutely laughable amounts of delusion here. There are 2 pitches but only 2 changing rooms. So realistically you can't even play 2 matches at the same time. Also the pitches are nearly unplayable for about half of the year. The fact the senior footballers never train there tells it's own story."
Here, here! I agree. Also, the posters who think that the Irvinestown private developer option would be acceptable to the GAA clubs in this county are somewhat deluded. The only sensible option if the county board hasn't got the brass to develop a new centre is to seriously pursue the St Micheal's playing fields suggestion which would meet the expectations of most.

BigToeJoe (Fermanagh) - Posts: 120 - 23/01/2020 10:21:33    2261727

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In a followup to my earlier post, I have just learned from a work colleague that the Irvinestown concept is being pushed a by blow-in to a north Fermanagh club and his first attempt failed when he tried to get a community orgainsation involved. My workmate agrees with me and indeed most others that it is a non-starter. The best way is for the co board to try a central location like the St Micks suggestion or try and secure unused extensive industrial zoned land at Carran ind est or out at the Tempo Road ind site. Many GAA people would love to see a centre of excellence comparable with other counties that would facilitate our county players of the future deserve!.

BigToeJoe (Fermanagh) - Posts: 120 - 23/01/2020 13:53:09    2261780

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The County Board are doing a good job, lets not forget they are volunteers. Other counties eg Tyrones facilities are TOO big and cost a lot of money to upkeep. Ours is not ideal but better than Enniskillens rugby club grounds. Unless you are prepared to join Club Eirne and put your money where your mouths are, then everyone should stop criticising.

luisfigo (Fermanagh) - Posts: 9 - 30/01/2020 21:02:51    2263878

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Replying To BigToeJoe:  "In a followup to my earlier post, I have just learned from a work colleague that the Irvinestown concept is being pushed a by blow-in to a north Fermanagh club and his first attempt failed when he tried to get a community orgainsation involved. My workmate agrees with me and indeed most others that it is a non-starter. The best way is for the co board to try a central location like the St Micks suggestion or try and secure unused extensive industrial zoned land at Carran ind est or out at the Tempo Road ind site. Many GAA people would love to see a centre of excellence comparable with other counties that would facilitate our county players of the future deserve!."
Great idea BigToeJoe. It sounds like you and your colleague have all the answers. Looking forward to seeing you both get on board at County level and sorting it out. How much will the land at Carran cost?

Nontheism (Fermanagh) - Posts: 104 - 24/02/2020 17:08:14    2269813

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Nontheism your absence of espoused belief is reflected in your attitude to contributors like myself who are posing genuine alternatives to the Lissan poorly used centre. So tell us what is your proposal in respect of Lissan? Do you want to compel team training to take place at Lissan even though those charged with running training have chosen otherwise for most of the season?

BigToeJoe (Fermanagh) - Posts: 120 - 25/02/2020 10:01:04    2269981

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Replying To BigToeJoe:  "Nontheism your absence of espoused belief is reflected in your attitude to contributors like myself who are posing genuine alternatives to the Lissan poorly used centre. So tell us what is your proposal in respect of Lissan? Do you want to compel team training to take place at Lissan even though those charged with running training have chosen otherwise for most of the season?"
"espoused belief" - really! You know me so well. I think you know what I'm trying to say here Mr Know It All Keyboard Warrior. I think luisfigo has a point. There is some good work being done by club and county volunteers. There is no need to be so disrespectful and damning. I don't have an answer or have any pretense to have one. Why are you wasting your time thumping on a keyboard, as if that is going to make anything happen. If you have better ideas, get involved were it can make a difference and do something. Why not take your "genuine alternative" do a feasibility study and present it to the county board? Otherwise Mr BTJ, its all bluster and a waste of your time.

Nontheism (Fermanagh) - Posts: 104 - 25/02/2020 12:42:42    2270045

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The County manager summed it all up in post match comments after yesterday's horrible defeat. Imagine having to beg training facilities from our greatest rival and not using our own 'Centre of excellence' up at Lissan. He intimated that he couldn't get a pitch in all of Fermanagh to train on and had to use all weather pitches for some sessions. The entire GAA family in the county should be embarrassed by it all. A comprehensive review of infrastructure should be carried out at once. This situation should never happen again.

hairyhorses (Fermanagh) - Posts: 7 - 09/03/2020 15:21:42    2273055

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Replying To hairyhorses:  "The County manager summed it all up in post match comments after yesterday's horrible defeat. Imagine having to beg training facilities from our greatest rival and not using our own 'Centre of excellence' up at Lissan. He intimated that he couldn't get a pitch in all of Fermanagh to train on and had to use all weather pitches for some sessions. The entire GAA family in the county should be embarrassed by it all. A comprehensive review of infrastructure should be carried out at once. This situation should never happen again."
I totally agree and it's time for all GAA people of the county to start campaigning for decent facilities which should be exclusive for GAA use only. Surely there has to be a suitable central venue around or close to Enniskillen. LET A NEW CENTRE FOR EXCELLENCE CAMPAIGN START TODAY!!!

BigToeJoe (Fermanagh) - Posts: 120 - 09/03/2020 17:24:43    2273098

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Replying To sidelinecut40:  "From what I hear the county team don't train there at all. Agree it would be a great idea to have a new centre of excellence in Enniskillen but costs associated and the fact of what would become of Lissan will put in an end to that chat. It would be a good report for a local journalist to look into the dealings behind it."
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/ryan-mcmenamin-is-right-its-just-absurd-that-fermanagh-are-having-to-travel-to-train-39034421.html

Great article from Bogue outlining the disadvantages that the county squad have had to endure this past while! Maybe instead of the GPA hoovering up funds... monies could be set aside for weaker counties like Fermanagh who don't have the outside commercial investment that other counties have.

Having proper training facilities within your own county should be seen as a basic right for county teams in this day and age.

sidelinecut40 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 81 - 11/03/2020 17:42:08    2273445

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Replying To sidelinecut40:  "https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/ryan-mcmenamin-is-right-its-just-absurd-that-fermanagh-are-having-to-travel-to-train-39034421.html

Great article from Bogue outlining the disadvantages that the county squad have had to endure this past while! Maybe instead of the GPA hoovering up funds... monies could be set aside for weaker counties like Fermanagh who don't have the outside commercial investment that other counties have.

Having proper training facilities within your own county should be seen as a basic right for county teams in this day and age."
The article stated "The pitches at the Lissan complex first had studs cut the turf in the winter of 2004, but it was abandoned after the league. Since then, it has remained a somewhat pointless exercise, underused and not fit for purpose". Now the question is, will the Co Board do anything about it?

dose. (Fermanagh) - Posts: 20 - 11/03/2020 19:07:55    2273453

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