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Upset about lost expenses too I'd imagine
boxtyburgerbuns (Leitrim) - Posts: 140 - 27/02/2025 11:06:04 2593467 Link 0 |
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I wouldnt agree with that. The reason for the constant changing is people aren't turning up and counties are spending lots of money on senior football team only for 1 man and his dog to turn up at it. Any good sport has a slow start, building up to a big finish. In GAA football - its a slow start, big finish for the league, slow for about two months until the provincials are over and then get going again for the last round of the group stages of the all Ireland. As long as the crowds are low in mid summer, the GAA need to keep changing to get the crowds in to pay for these big intercounty squads and big management teams. There is no chance of going back to 1990 again so the format has to change. - 30 weekends for intercounty competitions - ideally 15 games per county in football and hurling - football 1 week, hurling the other. - 3 tiers in football, 5 in hurling 26 weekends for club championships (club championships start before intercounty is finished in 50% of counties) Hurling as is but with additional of inter regional teams playing in June and July - see my post on improving hurling in weaker counties - having no hurling for weaker teams in June and July is frankly b=ll$#it. Football Provincial championships in Jan to Mid Feb (and seeded) - 1-3 matches per county National league in 3 tiers - 12 (1A&b), 12 (2A&B) and 8 - div 1&2 start in march - div 3 starts mid feb - all finished on May bank holiday weekend - league finals and relegation play offs in div 1 and 2 on bank holiday weekend Championship - 3 tiers - Sam Maguire - 4 groups of 3, Tailteann - 4 groups of 3, No hopers cup - 3 groups of 3 (new york in) Mid May to mid June - 2 matches each - bottom teams face relegation playoff - in no hopers league - wort team plays junior all Ireland winner to stay in senior football Mid June to End July - knock out rounds and relegation play offs - August Bank holiday - All Ireland finals weekend - Tailteann cup on Saturday with inter - regional hurling final, Senior hurling on Sunday with tier 3 football final, Senior football on Monday 50% of counties finished intercounty by mid July and start club championships in mid July. 100% of counties playing club championships from mid August. Provincial club championships start first weekend of October for counties eliminated from intercounty at end of june. Successful counties start provincials Mid/end of October All Ireland club series takes place in December. Sigerson cup in November/December also. All football counties Provincials: 2/3 for strong - 1/2 for weaker League: 5/6 for strong - 7/8 for weaker All Ireland: 5/6 for strong - 3-5 for weaker Average : 12-15 for strong - 11-15 for weaker County club: 5/6 for strong - 4/5 for weaker Provincial club: 2/3 for strong - 1/2 for weaker All Ireland club: 1/2 games - potential 3rd for Connacht/Munster club v UK champs Total matches for most successful football player - 26 games + 10 more sigerson/club hurling Intercounty hurling at the minute has 4-9 championship and 5-7 league - 9-16 matches per county - my proposal would add 1-4 more matches for players playing Joe McDonagh, Christy Ring, Nick Rackard hurling in June & July. The above fixes all competitions and gives all weaker counties more games in the summer and still gets it all done in 10 months for most and 11 months for all tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1231 - 27/02/2025 12:45:08 2593488 Link 0 |
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Could be for sure
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14914 - 27/02/2025 12:51:42 2593492 Link 0 |
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Not too bad, except how do you start Provincial club championships first week of October? If for talks sake we got to an AISF in hurling, our club championships wouldn't have a hope of being finished by October. We have a Hurling and a Football club championship.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14914 - 27/02/2025 13:08:48 2593495 Link 0 |
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The league's 'four 8s' has stood the test of time. Hypothetical - if my AILC was implemented, how long would it last? omahant (USA) - Posts: 3094 - 27/02/2025 13:25:17 2593500 Link 0 |
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I do agree and have come around to the suggestion by legendzxix that 4 groups of 5 would be an excellent format for the Sam Maguire once you have relegation for finishing bottom of each group. It would give 2 home games per team as well. Relegated the bottom team from each of the 4 groups to be replaced by a mix of Tailteann Cup finalists and provincial qualifiers ranked by league position. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 398 - 27/02/2025 16:20:24 2593523 Link 0 |
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All ireland hurling semi is mid July. Club championships could start August weekend. All ireland club finals 20th Dec All ireland semis - 13th Dec All ireland q finals & Leinster/Ulster finals - 30th Nov Leinster/Ulster semis & Connacht/Munster finals - 13th Nov Leinster/Ulster q finals & Connacht/Munster semi finals - 01st Nov Leinster/ulster prelim rds & Connacht/Munster q finals - 18th Oct Wexford would get a bye through the Leinster prelim rounds to Leinster QF on 01 Nov. Thats 13 weekends Wexford club championships are set up to guarantee everyone 5 matches in a group stage followed by 3 more knock out rounds. 8 matches to win the championship - ye are being greedy there because ye generally have the time to do it. The current Wexford championship needs 16 weeks - 8 weekend of hurling and 8 of football - with a good few dead rubbers Ye could go to 4 groups of 3 - and run each championship on alternate weekends - 10 weekends of matches in 13 weeks - so room for replays and a good weeks drinking after the county final most counties have 16 senior teams and 6 games to win the championship - taking 8 for both hurling and football is just dragging it out. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1231 - 27/02/2025 16:59:01 2593537 Link 0 |
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I think you'd be much better combining groups to have 2 groups of 8 and then the games that are being added are the ones that people might actually want to see. Right now you're looking at adding teams like Antrim, Fermanagh, Laois and Offaly into the All Ireland. Are they actually going to get things going for it in any meaningful way. No I really don't think so. Now teams do need an opportunity to develop but having a 16 team top tier already does that. Teams like Meath, Louth are a bit off the very best and would be in that top tier, you don't want too many also rans. The big issue for me in the GAA is this irrational fear of the dead rubber and the avoidance of them at almost all cost. I don't think it's the number of dead rubbers that hurts a competition, the intensity of the live games is what's missing but isn't missing in hurling. On the people not wanting to travel for games. With more games in a championship I think you'd see fans focus on home games and the bigger away days and I don't think there'd be anything wrong with that. People will be able to go to what they want to. With the current championship and 12 from 16 qualifying and not really a lot of opportunity for stories to develop, you end up with people not needing to be there. I think with a more challenging qualifying standard for the knockout stages and more time for stories to develop you can get a more engaging competition. Everyone talks about the magic of a knockout run, but you get a few teams getting some unexpected results maybe there's a different story that can develop and have people looking at their results and the teams around them. That's the beauty of league/group style formats that make them so tried and tested. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4403 - 27/02/2025 17:58:54 2593546 Link 0 |
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I seem to be arguing with you all over the place these days!! So, in relation to Wexford - you'd expect us to take a club championship format that's been in place for 15 years, and which has proven so popular that there's never been any significant support for any proposal to change away from two groups of six, and slash it in bits. You'd want us to go from a system that guarantees six matches to every club, and bring in one where they'd only be guaranteed two or three matches. And for what? To try fix perceived problems with the All-Ireland Football Championship. The club hurler in Wexford would have his whole playing season dramatically altered because some people don't like the system in a different game, at a level higher than which we compete in that game ourselves. Hardly seems fair or reasonable to me. Would be like telling Tyrone football people that they couldn't run their 16-round League any more because changes are needed to the All-Ireland Hurling Championship. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2710 - 27/02/2025 18:20:27 2593551 Link 0 |
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The motion at the weekend passed off without very little discussion or debate. The majority of county boards and provincial councils were in agreement. County boards were presented with a number of options last summer. The double eliminator became the early favourite. Prenty wanted 4 groups of 3 with provincial winners straight through to the quarter finals. A potential 5 week gap for some provincial winners scuppered that. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8546 - 27/02/2025 18:22:35 2593552 Link 0 |
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I personally think we have too many games too, but we are run by democratic process, and what we have is what the majority of clubs here have repeatedly voted for over the last 15 years.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14914 - 27/02/2025 19:32:39 2593570 Link 0 |