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Replying To Ihateforums:  "Given that pre planning meetings have supposedly already been held and a full planning application is ready to be filed I don't think anything outside of the O'Raghallaigh's is even remotely on the table at the moment (or even beside the table). A lot of people have sunk a lot of hours into this project so I think it would undoubtedly be very hard for them to go to a plan B. A change in the negotiators might move things on a bit but there has to be a willingness on both sides to proceed. Greenfield construction would be massively expensive compared to what is proposed to happen.

Personally, I think the "secrecy" surrounding the whole thing is ludicrous at this point."
Yes, what is the big secret. I wish they had to have ploughed their efforts into somewhere else. It dosnt take an visionary to see Drogheda is too limited in space

WheresDeBallBag (Louth) - Posts: 449 - 27/10/2017 17:15:33    2058642

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Drogheda is plenty big for louths needs. LCB cannot deliver what club are demanding and there is an impossible impasse. headquarters have asked for on final meet on this matter and if no agreement between club and county board the money allocated is going into joint effort on park tailteann.
Remember it was floated in the spring that both counties met to discuss a joint package by ex minister Noel Dempsey. So WEE will have a home in NAVAN. remember the gaa have gone away from big whit elephants in every county so navan will be upgraded to service north leinster and a 15,000 capacity modern stadium outside of Dublin capable of hosting most games in a state of the art facility.

Bluebod (Louth) - Posts: 89 - 01/11/2017 08:57:59    2059429

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Replying To Bluebod:  "Drogheda is plenty big for louths needs. LCB cannot deliver what club are demanding and there is an impossible impasse. headquarters have asked for on final meet on this matter and if no agreement between club and county board the money allocated is going into joint effort on park tailteann.
Remember it was floated in the spring that both counties met to discuss a joint package by ex minister Noel Dempsey. So WEE will have a home in NAVAN. remember the gaa have gone away from big whit elephants in every county so navan will be upgraded to service north leinster and a 15,000 capacity modern stadium outside of Dublin capable of hosting most games in a state of the art facility."
That would be such a shame. Drogheda simply isn't big enough to develop a decent county ground that is also the home to a club. Was never going to work and both club and/or county would be stupid to compromise. Has a deciding date been set bluebod?

WheresDeBallBag (Louth) - Posts: 449 - 01/11/2017 09:30:31    2059433

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"So WEE will have a home in NAVAN" completely incorrect, read the piece that was released at the time!!

MR (Louth) - Posts: 2570 - 01/11/2017 09:42:00    2059438

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Lads don't be so naive. why do you think it was floated that Navan was to get a state of the art stadium servicing the north east. The Croke Park involvement of both Louth and Meath county boards and a very high power committee spearheaded by ex minister Noel Dempsey. The 'test the water' plan did not receive any great opposition and you will now see it get further airing next spring as Drogheda is dead and buried. but you have to hand it to the club as they have batted away county board chairman after county board chairman.

Bluebod (Louth) - Posts: 89 - 02/11/2017 09:14:58    2059687

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If you check the Meath forum, the development of Navan doesn't look too straight forward either.

AC (None) - Posts: 315 - 02/11/2017 10:28:04    2059701

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Replying To Bluebod:  "Lads don't be so naive. why do you think it was floated that Navan was to get a state of the art stadium servicing the north east. The Croke Park involvement of both Louth and Meath county boards and a very high power committee spearheaded by ex minister Noel Dempsey. The 'test the water' plan did not receive any great opposition and you will now see it get further airing next spring as Drogheda is dead and buried. but you have to hand it to the club as they have batted away county board chairman after county board chairman."
Are you trying to say the plans where always based around Drogheda so they would fail. (Puts on tinfoil hat)

WheresDeBallBag (Louth) - Posts: 449 - 02/11/2017 10:34:57    2059704

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Replying To WheresDeBallBag:  "Yes, what is the big secret. I wish they had to have ploughed their efforts into somewhere else. It dosnt take an visionary to see Drogheda is too limited in space"
Why is Drogheda too limited, Surely it is big enough to develop a ground capable of accommodating a crowd of seven to eight thousand people comfortably.

FBC (Louth) - Posts: 103 - 02/11/2017 21:36:07    2059888

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Replying To FBC:  "Why is Drogheda too limited, Surely it is big enough to develop a ground capable of accommodating a crowd of seven to eight thousand people comfortably."
And where do the O Raghelighs teams train? I'm sure any development would eat into the grass area behind their hall. I'm a firm believer that if teams, no matter what the age, don't have a full size goals beside them when training they are missing out. You can build a stand alone pitch anywhere granted but Drogheda is the home of the O Raghelighs

WheresDeBallBag (Louth) - Posts: 449 - 02/11/2017 22:11:54    2059901

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i am sure this post will be a topic of discussion and convention this year as it was promised last year that 2017 will see work starting, it can only be deemed now as a TOTAL FAILURE

sharpey (Louth) - Posts: 193 - 10/11/2017 13:02:42    2061592

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Any further news on this?

AC (None) - Posts: 315 - 24/11/2017 10:07:52    2063426

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Any update given on this shambles at the convention last night ?

I drove up the north road this morning and was hoping to see the bulldozers in and half the country board with shovels ready to commence work... some chance :)

louthman57 (Louth) - Posts: 276 - 13/12/2017 09:23:44    2065066

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I see that there is going to be a new purpose built running track more or less where we were meant to have our new stadium in dundalk. Six local athletic clubs have come together to bring this forward along with dkit and the county council. Sounds familiar doesn't it. Fair play to all involved. They have no money but are already getting a grant from the government and are going to start fund raising.
This was meant to be ours - our field of dreams.

barker (USA) - Posts: 55 - 21/12/2017 15:06:12    2065790

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Well my post of 1/11/17 seems to be coming to fruition. Croke park appear to have agreed to build and put finance in place but according to Treasurer at convention the legals are holding it up. Would it be logically to assume that thee gaa solicitors are also behind the project and getting behind croke park and county board. therefore the ones holding it up are the other legals of the club. Seems logical to me!
Look at the DI this week--does it not sound the death knell for drogheda while portraying Pairc Tailteann as the way to go.
Pity that we are no further on as the current top table seem to have pushed this as far as they can!!!!!

Bluebod (Louth) - Posts: 89 - 22/12/2017 11:18:25    2065858

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I would go with a capacity between 15,000 and 20,000. If Louth had a home draw in the Championship they could hold the match against the Dubs, Meath and Kildare. Plus the venue would be ideal to hold matches in the qualifiers between Leinster and Ulster teams if they played each other.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 09/01/2018 15:40:11    2067531

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Replying To OLLIE:  "I would go with a capacity between 15,000 and 20,000. If Louth had a home draw in the Championship they could hold the match against the Dubs, Meath and Kildare. Plus the venue would be ideal to hold matches in the qualifiers between Leinster and Ulster teams if they played each other."
We have 3 or 4 home National Lge matches each year (depending on the draw) and a potential 3 Championship matches, maybe 4, which will never reach that capacity and our U21's & Minors would fail to do so also. The qualifiers wouldn't justify that size of a facility simply because we wouldn't get enough matches.

The present County Board are totally inadequate when it comes to fundraising and can hardly raise the capital to match what Croke Pk are willing to invest in a smaller facility and when it comes to maintenance they haven't exactly covered themselves in glory in that department Darver being the prime example.

Based on this i would disagree with you Ollie. I think a capacity of 8,000 to 10,000 would be more achievable and manageable.

FBC (Louth) - Posts: 103 - 09/01/2018 21:42:35    2067588

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Replying To FBC:  "We have 3 or 4 home National Lge matches each year (depending on the draw) and a potential 3 Championship matches, maybe 4, which will never reach that capacity and our U21's & Minors would fail to do so also. The qualifiers wouldn't justify that size of a facility simply because we wouldn't get enough matches.

The present County Board are totally inadequate when it comes to fundraising and can hardly raise the capital to match what Croke Pk are willing to invest in a smaller facility and when it comes to maintenance they haven't exactly covered themselves in glory in that department Darver being the prime example.

Based on this i would disagree with you Ollie. I think a capacity of 8,000 to 10,000 would be more achievable and manageable."
They don't fundraise they levy and tax the clubs instead 1 golf classic a year does not constitute fundraising.

LemonySnickett (Louth) - Posts: 82 - 10/01/2018 11:33:29    2067629

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Bluebod what makes it so logical that it's the club. The legalities around putting an extension on your house can hold up or stop projects completely. What we're talking about is a lot larger than an extension in an already congested town. I believe early meetings with Louth CoCo went well and the grounds have been signed over to Louth GAA.

So to me that would suggest some business or some other concerned party with a significant enough influence has expressed an interest in some other development in the same area or simply a disinterest in a Louth GAA development.

All of these types of situations are very delicate and is best left to the legal eagles. I think the fact that Louth county board have taken such a private and professional approach to what ever the road block may be even while facing personal sledging is a testament to the men involved.

If the wrong name is mentioned or even a rumour that could be seen a slight to anyones public could be to the detriment of the entire project.

Or I am completely wrong and there is lads on bar stools who know exactly what's going on.

I have probably said to much... (Puts tinfoil hat back on and microwaves laptop).

WheresDeBallBag (Louth) - Posts: 449 - 10/01/2018 12:26:28    2067635

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I think it's unfair to slate them on fundraising. Every officer on Louth countyboard has a role to fill. Separate Louth gaels need to start offering their time and effort towards organising fundraisers. Volunteering towards Louth GAA seems to be fairly poor in my opinion but I may be wrong as I am just judging it by the number of volunteers in Darver and at intercounty matches. It always seems to be the same faces and they can't do everything.

WheresDeBallBag (Louth) - Posts: 449 - 10/01/2018 12:30:00    2067637

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Replying To WheresDeBallBag:  "I think it's unfair to slate them on fundraising. Every officer on Louth countyboard has a role to fill. Separate Louth gaels need to start offering their time and effort towards organising fundraisers. Volunteering towards Louth GAA seems to be fairly poor in my opinion but I may be wrong as I am just judging it by the number of volunteers in Darver and at intercounty matches. It always seems to be the same faces and they can't do everything."
why is it unfair? most county boards have sub committees charged with nothing else but fundraising I would rather they did a bit of fundraising than charged parents in to watch u8s blitzes in Darver! How come each club in the county can raise the best part of 100k odd, the figure quoted as being needed to run a club by our County Treasurer, themselves for the year through fundraising and the county board can't raise anything close to this? If they got a county wide flag day once a year and had county players and development squad players and mentors to collect I am sure they would raise 10k in a day easily.

LemonySnickett (Louth) - Posts: 82 - 12/01/2018 09:57:30    2067920

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