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Under 20 Compttition

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The under 20 is starting on Friday night with seven games and one bye. There are only eight stand-alone clubs (5 north,2 south + St.Marys) involved with seven amalgamations. Some of thr notable absentees are :-
Blues
Raths
Gaels
SOM

What's wrong

19616609 (Louth) - Posts: 1453 - 09/10/2019 10:15:52    2242269

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Replying To 19616609:  "The under 20 is starting on Friday night with seven games and one bye. There are only eight stand-alone clubs (5 north,2 south + St.Marys) involved with seven amalgamations. Some of thr notable absentees are :-
Blues
Raths
Gaels
SOM

What's wrong"
Historically its a bad time to try and get a team up and running most clubs are finished at adult level and minor a month ago.

N08CUTN (Mayo) - Posts: 193 - 09/10/2019 10:37:29    2242277

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Stupid time of year for this competition most teams won't field had imagine

bennypoor (Louth) - Posts: 428 - 09/10/2019 12:03:40    2242313

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A lot of the "smaller" clubs will struggle to get lads back together this time of the year, plenty of lads gone back to college all over the country and the weather isn't too appealing either, pitches in shi** everywhere! The Jocks will waltz though this competition IF they can get the likes of Eoghan Callaghan, Conor Morgan and Mark Whelan motivated to play after potentially winning or losing a Joe Ward this Sunday coming . Ardee are the other likely winners if the Jocks struggle to get these lads back in such a short period of time.

Colin66 (Louth) - Posts: 50 - 09/10/2019 13:48:32    2242348

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Replying To Colin66:  "A lot of the "smaller" clubs will struggle to get lads back together this time of the year, plenty of lads gone back to college all over the country and the weather isn't too appealing either, pitches in shi** everywhere! The Jocks will waltz though this competition IF they can get the likes of Eoghan Callaghan, Conor Morgan and Mark Whelan motivated to play after potentially winning or losing a Joe Ward this Sunday coming . Ardee are the other likely winners if the Jocks struggle to get these lads back in such a short period of time."
I don't think the four I mentioned are "small" . They include the last three winners of Joe Ward , recent semi-finalists and the part owners of current county grounds.

19616609 (Louth) - Posts: 1453 - 09/10/2019 22:32:23    2242465

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Replying To Colin66:  "A lot of the "smaller" clubs will struggle to get lads back together this time of the year, plenty of lads gone back to college all over the country and the weather isn't too appealing either, pitches in shi** everywhere! The Jocks will waltz though this competition IF they can get the likes of Eoghan Callaghan, Conor Morgan and Mark Whelan motivated to play after potentially winning or losing a Joe Ward this Sunday coming . Ardee are the other likely winners if the Jocks struggle to get these lads back in such a short period of time."
I'm sure that'll be high on their minds if they win Joe, or even if they lose. Playing and training since January to keep on playing through winter....

PointRoad (Louth) - Posts: 111 - 10/10/2019 09:39:44    2242502

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Seen tones nicks and plunketts amalgamated good idea if your struggling on your own there always 6 or 7 in each club that are willing to play all the time fair play lads.

N08CUTN (Mayo) - Posts: 193 - 10/10/2019 15:25:27    2242588

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I understand it's a bad time of year to be playing football, especially if club teams have exited adult championships quite some time ago, but it certainly baffles me as to the lack of interest in the competition. In Meath there's a great sense of pride associated with the u20/21's championships (4 grades) with many fella's seeing it as possibly their only chance of winning a championship at any level with their club/amalgamation.

ladshey (Meath) - Posts: 2 - 10/10/2019 16:08:43    2242598

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Replying To ladshey:  "I understand it's a bad time of year to be playing football, especially if club teams have exited adult championships quite some time ago, but it certainly baffles me as to the lack of interest in the competition. In Meath there's a great sense of pride associated with the u20/21's championships (4 grades) with many fella's seeing it as possibly their only chance of winning a championship at any level with their club/amalgamation."
It has always been a competition thrown in late in the year , which has never worked our top senior teams usually dominate the wins in this competition as they are involved in adult cships and are still training . Our games calendar needs to be seriously looked at in the county too many grades which means competitions starting too late in the year . U13 ,U15,U20 running at the moment which mean weekend games which has a knock on negative effect with other codes . Historically we don't seem to play enough football between March and August . Maybe go back to U12 ,U14,U16,Minor with proper divisions graded properly and honestly and no more than 2 clubs involved in any amalgamation .

N08CUTN (Mayo) - Posts: 193 - 11/10/2019 07:11:44    2242717

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the time of year isnt ideal although it gives players at the u19 and u20 grade who didnt get much first team game time to show what they are about and give them some more football. id imagine the Mairtins lads wont be fussed after the long season, but can see ardee, mochtas/brides and the melifont amalgamation going far.

bobby22 (Louth) - Posts: 18 - 11/10/2019 13:41:34    2242809

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Replying To 19616609:  "The under 20 is starting on Friday night with seven games and one bye. There are only eight stand-alone clubs (5 north,2 south + St.Marys) involved with seven amalgamations. Some of thr notable absentees are :-
Blues
Raths
Gaels
SOM

What's wrong"
Gaels and the Clans couldn't even put out a Combined U-16 sides this year.

GAA is dead in Dundalk

DundalkGael (Louth) - Posts: 865 - 11/10/2019 16:16:12    2242844

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St. Pats and St. Feckins were the only two standalone clubs to win last night.St. Mary's got a walkover and Naomh Mairtin a bye. These four will be joined by four amalgamations in the q/fs . Not sure whether it's a new draw or if it's predetermined

19616609 (Louth) - Posts: 1453 - 12/10/2019 13:27:23    2242981

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Replying To DundalkGael:  "Gaels and the Clans couldn't even put out a Combined U-16 sides this year.

GAA is dead in Dundalk"
A long time ago fella...there was a cul camp in ours and most of the wee kids wearing Dundalk gear. Can't blame them either,kids replicate what they see

PointRoad (Louth) - Posts: 111 - 13/10/2019 00:17:37    2243079

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Replying To PointRoad:  "A long time ago fella...there was a cul camp in ours and most of the wee kids wearing Dundalk gear. Can't blame them either,kids replicate what they see"
The rot seems to have set in a good few years before the resurgence of Dundalk fc.

Year of last underage title won by a dundalk town team

U-21: 2003
Minor: 2000
U16: 2010
U14: 2002

moresthepity (Louth) - Posts: 225 - 13/10/2019 12:26:32    2243120

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Replying To moresthepity:  "The rot seems to have set in a good few years before the resurgence of Dundalk fc.

Year of last underage title won by a dundalk town team

U-21: 2003
Minor: 2000
U16: 2010
U14: 2002"
Wouldnt count U-21 to be fair.

Mickey Mouse competition

DundalkGael (Louth) - Posts: 865 - 14/10/2019 11:03:26    2243340

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Replying To moresthepity:  "The rot seems to have set in a good few years before the resurgence of Dundalk fc.

Year of last underage title won by a dundalk town team

U-21: 2003
Minor: 2000
U16: 2010
U14: 2002"
Correct. It set in very soon after the demise of the North Louth Minor board.

Each one of the 11 clubs in north Louth suffered as a consequence of its abolition. It was done by the county board to placate the mid Louth and south Louth boards to form an all county minor board.
In the end football in north Louth suffered none more than the town of Dundalk.

barker (USA) - Posts: 55 - 14/10/2019 14:54:04    2243423

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Replying To barker:  "Correct. It set in very soon after the demise of the North Louth Minor board.

Each one of the 11 clubs in north Louth suffered as a consequence of its abolition. It was done by the county board to placate the mid Louth and south Louth boards to form an all county minor board.
In the end football in north Louth suffered none more than the town of Dundalk."
You couldn't be more wrong , the Drogheda minor board was ran very successfully the year it was disbanded it had overseen 264 games over 5 age groups all A & B & Shield finals completed . The local Cumanns were disbanded by our county board to facilitate Og Sport and the Minor board used the reason that the Cumanns couldn't operate because you can have a sub committee of a sub committee the senior board then got rid of the minor board using the same reason and incorporated the minor board into the senior board which was the demise of Louth football trace back and see. When the football was local there was a lot more games played and not as many amalgamations the introduction of all county underage competitions from u10 to u13 destroyed Louth football. Walkovers became a common practice mainly due to cost to clubs having to bring a Drogheda team to Dundalk and vice versa games were easier to run when it was local because all clubs knew each other and if there was a problem with a fixture it could be rearranged easier between local clubs we have been lead poorly over the years with more emphasis placed on courses than on football.

N08CUTN (Mayo) - Posts: 193 - 15/10/2019 09:00:23    2243605

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Replying To N08CUTN:  "You couldn't be more wrong , the Drogheda minor board was ran very successfully the year it was disbanded it had overseen 264 games over 5 age groups all A & B & Shield finals completed . The local Cumanns were disbanded by our county board to facilitate Og Sport and the Minor board used the reason that the Cumanns couldn't operate because you can have a sub committee of a sub committee the senior board then got rid of the minor board using the same reason and incorporated the minor board into the senior board which was the demise of Louth football trace back and see. When the football was local there was a lot more games played and not as many amalgamations the introduction of all county underage competitions from u10 to u13 destroyed Louth football. Walkovers became a common practice mainly due to cost to clubs having to bring a Drogheda team to Dundalk and vice versa games were easier to run when it was local because all clubs knew each other and if there was a problem with a fixture it could be rearranged easier between local clubs we have been lead poorly over the years with more emphasis placed on courses than on football."
Agree 100% with you

Singingtheblues (Louth) - Posts: 45 - 15/10/2019 14:00:07    2243700

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Replying To N08CUTN:  "You couldn't be more wrong , the Drogheda minor board was ran very successfully the year it was disbanded it had overseen 264 games over 5 age groups all A & B & Shield finals completed . The local Cumanns were disbanded by our county board to facilitate Og Sport and the Minor board used the reason that the Cumanns couldn't operate because you can have a sub committee of a sub committee the senior board then got rid of the minor board using the same reason and incorporated the minor board into the senior board which was the demise of Louth football trace back and see. When the football was local there was a lot more games played and not as many amalgamations the introduction of all county underage competitions from u10 to u13 destroyed Louth football. Walkovers became a common practice mainly due to cost to clubs having to bring a Drogheda team to Dundalk and vice versa games were easier to run when it was local because all clubs knew each other and if there was a problem with a fixture it could be rearranged easier between local clubs we have been lead poorly over the years with more emphasis placed on courses than on football."
Thanks for making my point better than I made it. It is easier to run underage football on a regional or cumainn basis for the reasons that you have already elaborated on.

The divisional boards and the cumanns should never have been done away with. If they were in need of an overhaul then that is what should have happened but not abolition.

We have been reaping the rewards of that bad decision ever since in north Louth but especially in Dundalk.

barker (USA) - Posts: 55 - 18/10/2019 15:32:00    2244252

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Naomh Martins v St Nicholas, Wolfe Tones , Plunketts in U20 tonight in Monasterboice at 8pm the Jocks will have a serious team in this competition and should account for the town amalgamation its a poor reflection for the town of Drogheda that 3 clubs had to get together to participate but fair play to them for not letting this competition pass them by . winners play the marys who will also have a serious team.

N08CUTN (Mayo) - Posts: 193 - 29/10/2019 12:40:32    2246455

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