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All Ireland Final 2023 - Dublin V Kerry

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No stand alone Kerry gaa thread.? A bit strange I would think seeing as they are going into tomorrow's final as reighning All Ireland champions against the Dub's

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3414 - 29/07/2023 17:20:45    2497609

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What have the following eight Kerry players named to start tomorrow all got in common; Shane Ryan, Graham O' Sullivan, Jason Foley, Tadhg Morley, Gavin White, Diarmuid O' Connor, Sean O' Shea & David Clifford?
Answer: They are all teachers which may have given them a big advantage in terms of training potential and rest/sleep over the last few weeks. As the margins between victory and defeat can be very small, it will be interesting to see will it have any implications tomorrow. Stephen Cluxton is the only teacher on the named Dublin team.
Hopefully it will be a great game and will not be decided by a mistake.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 948 - 29/07/2023 19:47:25    2497625

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Great to see the 3 amigos back together, SG is crying out for these relics...
https://youtu.be/KUTGMK3kXjI

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8821 - 29/07/2023 21:01:43    2497630

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Some people are never happy. If you feel tomorrow's game is an anti climax then that's down to you and not the game itself. Personally I can't wait for the match As I said earlier Dublin v Kerry in the All Ireland senior football final is the biggest game in the GAA bar none."
It not down to me though, I didn't have any say on schedule whereby senior All Ireland finals are now shoehorned into July, And yet most club senior championships still don't finish until October and provincials in November/December so i don't see the point of HQ rushing things . Do you believe this final is getting top billing like a match of it's stature should?

Anyway hopefully it's decent final and one not won long before the final whistle like it was with the Hurling final last weekend.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4470 - 29/07/2023 21:08:44    2497632

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Replying To The_analyser:  "It not down to me though, I didn't have any say on schedule whereby senior All Ireland finals are now shoehorned into July, And yet most club senior championships still don't finish until October and provincials in November/December so i don't see the point of HQ rushing things . Do you believe this final is getting top billing like a match of it's stature should?

Anyway hopefully it's decent final and one not won long before the final whistle like it was with the Hurling final last weekend."
Tá an ceart agat. Díolta amach ar son Coldplay agus sacar!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4550 - 29/07/2023 22:24:31    2497638

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Clifford will do what he does imo.

No point overly worrying about him.

If Dublin are to win it'll be out forwards doing the damage I think."
You don't allow him influence the game like Derry did in the semi final, If Dublin win tomorrow it will be thanks to a strong defensive performance as much if not more than anything else.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 4071 - 29/07/2023 22:30:14    2497639

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Safe journey to all travelling to the match.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 2090 - 30/07/2023 00:33:51    2497645

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Replying To The_analyser:  "It not down to me though, I didn't have any say on schedule whereby senior All Ireland finals are now shoehorned into July, And yet most club senior championships still don't finish until October and provincials in November/December so i don't see the point of HQ rushing things . Do you believe this final is getting top billing like a match of it's stature should?

Anyway hopefully it's decent final and one not won long before the final whistle like it was with the Hurling final last weekend."
It's getting top billing around here. The occasion itself has been completely diluted by the leadership of the GAA. They have changed the make up and character of the day very much for the worst. Dropping the minor final has been a disastrous mistake. I agree with you the season should be extended. You are also right about the club championships. Ours don't start until the last weekend in August. I don't agree that the final is anti climactic. I'm going to it and I have no doubt that the atmosphere in Dublin tomorrow will be electric all day. Hopefully the match will live up to expectations.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6213 - 30/07/2023 02:10:51    2497648

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Up The Dubs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNzBiW8CGOw&t=20s

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4541 - 30/07/2023 08:36:34    2497652

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I'm looking forward to the game but I don't think it'll be as close as everyone is predicting by the end. The backbone of this Dublin team have nothing to prove and their legacy is formed already. To win one more All Ireland would be their biggest win yet in my opinion and I can see why they're putting everything into it. The reality is a lot of this Dublin team were at the centre of those epic Mayo battles six or seven years ago.

In the other corner is a new Kerry team starting out with one All Ireland already in the bag. I think Kerry back themselves to win a number of All Ireland's in a row and it would be a big defeat if they can't get over a Dublin team ready to leave the stage. Kerry as always have managed the media but I think they're quietly very confident of winning this.

Kerry to win by seven plus. If Dublin win, they'll enjoy it more than the rest; I don't see them having the energy left going into the last 15 against this Kerry team. They've had an epic decade but time catches up with all great champions.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 30/07/2023 09:12:56    2497654

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Replying To The_analyser:  "It not down to me though, I didn't have any say on schedule whereby senior All Ireland finals are now shoehorned into July, And yet most club senior championships still don't finish until October and provincials in November/December so i don't see the point of HQ rushing things . Do you believe this final is getting top billing like a match of it's stature should?

Anyway hopefully it's decent final and one not won long before the final whistle like it was with the Hurling final last weekend."
No it's been a very quiet build up. For all the schedule arguments the one week gap between the two finals is underselling the products.

The Kerry, Derry semi final rightly took over the media to the Wednesday post game with no space for the hurling build up.

Then Limerick got good coverage on their four in a row achievement before the media started to concentrate on the football final on Wednesday and mainly Thursday. It's no good for promoting hurling or football.

If the GAA don't want later finals at least somehow find space to have a two week gap between the hurling and football finals.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 30/07/2023 09:34:11    2497655

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I've called Dublin all year and I'm not changing my mind now. The Jacks by 4.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9841 - 30/07/2023 10:28:10    2497662

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Replying To PattyONeill:  "I noticed Spillane said in his article "the game is still the same, the goalposts are still in the same place". Technically they aren't in the same place in Croke Park anyway, in 2000 they moved the goalposts after the Hogan was knocked down. The Canal end goalposts were much further forward back then due to the smaller pitch. The Hill 16 goalposts were slightly behind the current ones."
Pedantic Patty……

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4243 - 30/07/2023 10:58:03    2497665

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Replying To The_analyser:  "It certainly is anti-climax. I personally am in full club mode/focus now, have attended many underage club games in recent weeks and our adult championship starting next week. Senior All Ireland final after thought it really shouldn't be that way and I believe it will be clashing with major world wide soccer tournament in the next two years.

I think Dublin will edge it based on them only losing the the semi final last year to Kerry by one point and Con O'Callaghan,Paul Mannion,Jack McCaffery and Cluxton didn't play in that game. Kerry meanwhile no longer have David Moran,"
I think they could extend it into August but you are going to run into clashes with other sporting events no matter when it's held. You have a rugby World Cup this Sept-Oct. Premier league back from August. When the AIs were in September the club championships had already started in most counties. I heard a fella from League of Ireland talking about how they are envious of the GAA at the moment as it basically has July to itself and completely dominates the media in that month with LOI not able to get a look in.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 30/07/2023 14:10:50    2497696

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Replying To sam1884:  "I'm looking forward to the game but I don't think it'll be as close as everyone is predicting by the end. The backbone of this Dublin team have nothing to prove and their legacy is formed already. To win one more All Ireland would be their biggest win yet in my opinion and I can see why they're putting everything into it. The reality is a lot of this Dublin team were at the centre of those epic Mayo battles six or seven years ago.

In the other corner is a new Kerry team starting out with one All Ireland already in the bag. I think Kerry back themselves to win a number of All Ireland's in a row and it would be a big defeat if they can't get over a Dublin team ready to leave the stage. Kerry as always have managed the media but I think they're quietly very confident of winning this.

Kerry to win by seven plus. If Dublin win, they'll enjoy it more than the rest; I don't see them having the energy left going into the last 15 against this Kerry team. They've had an epic decade but time catches up with all great champions."
I'll be surprised if we get a margin that wide. Two teams in top shape in fitness and conditioning and if Dublin are bringing on the likes of Kilkenny, McCaffrey, Rock they won't be weakening the team.

As for the new Kerry team

Shane Ryan; Graham O'Sullivan, Jason Foley, Tom O'Sullivan; Paul Murphy, Tadhg Morley, Gavin White; Diarmuid O'Connor, Jack Barry; Dara Moynihan, Seán O'Shea, Stephen O'Brien; Paudie Clifford, David Clifford, Paul Geaney.

Those highlighted started championship games for Kerry in 2018.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 4071 - 30/07/2023 14:31:40    2497699

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Draw even after extra time, replay next Saturday 5th August bank holiday weekend, big money spinner for the suits in Croker.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3826 - 30/07/2023 15:01:04    2497705

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "I'll be surprised if we get a margin that wide. Two teams in top shape in fitness and conditioning and if Dublin are bringing on the likes of Kilkenny, McCaffrey, Rock they won't be weakening the team.

As for the new Kerry team

Shane Ryan; Graham O'Sullivan, Jason Foley, Tom O'Sullivan; Paul Murphy, Tadhg Morley, Gavin White; Diarmuid O'Connor, Jack Barry; Dara Moynihan, Seán O'Shea, Stephen O'Brien; Paudie Clifford, David Clifford, Paul Geaney.

Those highlighted started championship games for Kerry in 2018."
Maybe so but compared to the epic battles the backbone of this Dublin team have battled through there is no comparsion. It takes a team a few years to get to the top of the game and in that sense this is Kerry's time with a new team to win All Irelands.

They have one in the bag already. Dublin have brought a few players back and have a lot of years and big games under their belts. This is why despite all the talk I just can't see Dublin competing with this Kerry team for 75minutes.

If they do and manage to win another All Ireland against a Kerry team just starting it would be their best win yet.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 30/07/2023 15:10:52    2497706

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Draw even after extra time, replay next Saturday 5th August bank holiday weekend, big money spinner for the suits in Croker."
If a replay is needed it's currently set for Saturday August 12th

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 4071 - 30/07/2023 15:25:59    2497707

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Absolutely horrible game so far.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 941 - 30/07/2023 15:59:26    2497711

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I would say this is the worst half of an all Ireland final I have ever seen.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 941 - 30/07/2023 16:05:35    2497712

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