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Replying To Fairplayalways: "what has happened to our game at all..God be with the days when one All Ireland hurling semi final was the first Sunday in August, preceded by a minor semi final, and the second was the following Sunday etc..An All Ireland semi final at 6 o'clock of a Saturday evening and the second one the next day...what in the name of God is all this rushing about for...its gone beyond a joke...maybe pull out the small goals on Saturday evening and let Clare and Kilkenny have one half the pitch and Limerick and Galway the other half and get the two games "out of the way" altogether the one day....the games are destroyed attraction and build up wise..." Back in the "God be with the days" you could win an All-Ireland by playing two games (if you were Galway), or four if you were anybody else.
That's why there was no much time for space between fixtures.
This year, Galway would need to play eight games to win an All-Ireland. It would have been nine for Dublin. Or seven for Kilkenny.
It's not hard to see "what in the name of God is all this rushing about for."
If the season isn't compacted, clubs will never see their players. It was different in the "God be with the days." They could be released during the championship.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 871 - 07/07/2023 17:07:44
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Replying To baire: "The Munster championship is a wonderful championship. The Gaelic Grounds, Cusack Park or Semple Stadium are centrally located for most Munster teams and don't require 80K+ to fill them i.e it's easier to create an atmosphere unlike Croke Park.
There are at least two things lacking in the so called 'Leinster' championship imo:
1. Calling it the Leinster championship is wrong, it's a misnomer, untrue and unfair to the likes of Galway and Antrim.
2. Croke Park is only suitable for AISFs and AIFs.
If the Leinster final was in Tullamore or Portlaoise the atmosphere would have been much better, the quality of the hurling was as good if not better than anything you'd see in Munster." This is something that's very annoying Baire. The Leinster Championship is a competition that goes back to 1888, the same year the first Munster Championship was run. The 1st Munster Championship game was played around a week before the 1st Leinster Championship game. The Leinster Championship is what it's called and always has been called. If you aren't happy with that get your club to bring a motion to the Galway county Board to withdraw from it and apply to rejoin the Munster Championship. And see will they rename their Championship because they let you into it. They didn't rename it the last time btw.
And any time we made a Leinster final the place was fairly packed. That's because it means something to us. From reading alot of your countys posters it means nothing to you lads up there. Young Connacht lads are never going to grow up dreaming of winning a Leinster Championship. Why would or should they?
You and Antrim are playing in our championship at the expense of Leinster counties like Westmeath, Laois, Offaly, Kildare, Meath, who traditionally entered teams in it for decades. Offaly have won it more times than you have, and Laois the same number of times, and they're not let into it. That's just not right.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 07/07/2023 18:14:03
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Replying To baire: "The Munster championship is a wonderful championship. The Gaelic Grounds, Cusack Park or Semple Stadium are centrally located for most Munster teams and don't require 80K+ to fill them i.e it's easier to create an atmosphere unlike Croke Park.
There are at least two things lacking in the so called 'Leinster' championship imo:
1. Calling it the Leinster championship is wrong, it's a misnomer, untrue and unfair to the likes of Galway and Antrim.
2. Croke Park is only suitable for AISFs and AIFs.
If the Leinster final was in Tullamore or Portlaoise the atmosphere would have been much better, the quality of the hurling was as good if not better than anything you'd see in Munster." Yes of course it would, its the getting to the final that doesn't compare.
aloneitstands (Limerick) - Posts: 79 - 07/07/2023 22:24:27
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Your missing the point.
The Munster championship is superb because it is dog eat dog. The competition is savage.
Leinster is a joke because Galway and KK bearly need to break sweat to qualify out of it any given year bar maybe 1 in 10.
Cork who were eliminated in 4th would destroy Dublin who qualified in 3rd from Leinster.
KK and Galway however are top teams but they have it too easy in Leinster." Are you sure?
Last time we played Cork in the championship we beat them and we didn't get out of leinster this year.
Check the head to head for wexford kk or Dublin Galway.
Only for a dirty stroke on Shane reck you wouldn't have got past us either.
Munster is fantastic, but some of the talk about leinster is over the top. The results just don't back it up.
Munster hurling is a bit like Dáil Éireann "sure aren't we great lads"
It's hard to get out of munster. There are no easy matches.
It's hard to finish bottom of leinster for the traditional counties. But its no walk in the park to win it either.
If Cork were in leinster would they have got out? Possibly.
If Clare were in leinster would they win it? No.
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Replying To Viking66: "Galway didn't qualify for the AI series in 2019 LRH, despite having reached the previous 2 AI finals and winning one of them. And they have only beaten Dublin once in Leinster in the last 5 years, losing twice and drawing once. Kilkenny have only beaten us once in the Round Robin era, that by a point in Nowlan Park after being 8 or so points down in the second half. We have beaten them 3 times, including the last time they lost a Leinster final, and drew the other game. Its not as clearcut as you seem to think. Especially when you consider that Waterford have only 1 one Round Robin win ever. Yes this year's Munster Championship was great, but last year resulted in automatic qualification for the only 3 teams that actually hurled in it." Waterford beat Tipp last year and this year. They also beat Galway Cork and KK in Covid years
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Replying To Oldtourman: "Waterford beat Tipp last year and this year. They also beat Galway Cork and KK in Covid years" Sorry OTM you are right Waterford have 2 wins. Still doesn't change the point I made.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 08/07/2023 07:29:48
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Replying To Canuck: "Thank you to all the great posters and conversation I have had on here over the years. I will be off now as being stalked under the guise of winding becomes tiresome." What are you on about Canuck?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 08/07/2023 07:31:38
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Are you sure?
Last time we played Cork in the championship we beat them and we didn't get out of leinster this year.
Check the head to head for wexford kk or Dublin Galway.
Only for a dirty stroke on Shane reck you wouldn't have got past us either.
Munster is fantastic, but some of the talk about leinster is over the top. The results just don't back it up.
Munster hurling is a bit like Dáil Éireann "sure aren't we great lads"
It's hard to get out of munster. There are no easy matches.
It's hard to finish bottom of leinster for the traditional counties. But its no walk in the park to win it either.
If Cork were in leinster would they have got out? Possibly.
If Clare were in leinster would they win it? No." Here we go again with this imaginary dirty stroke that you seem to believe cost you the whole game despite the fact ye can't buy a win out of Clare. Listen if you think that the quality of teams outside of KK and Galway in Leinster is on par with say Tipperary, Cork and Waterford, there is not much really to say.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Are you sure?
Last time we played Cork in the championship we beat them and we didn't get out of leinster this year.
Check the head to head for wexford kk or Dublin Galway.
Only for a dirty stroke on Shane reck you wouldn't have got past us either.
Munster is fantastic, but some of the talk about leinster is over the top. The results just don't back it up.
Munster hurling is a bit like Dáil Éireann "sure aren't we great lads"
It's hard to get out of munster. There are no easy matches.
It's hard to finish bottom of leinster for the traditional counties. But its no walk in the park to win it either.
If Cork were in leinster would they have got out? Possibly.
If Clare were in leinster would they win it? No." Why is it when Clare beat Wexford lads like you have a very simple reason why we did so rather than admitting Clare are a better team than Wexford?
It's either our best player has to go off injured because of a made up "dirty stroke" that no one else saw or sure we didn't get off the bus for the first 15 minutes. Always a simple solution. Look at Wexfords record against Clare over the past 10 years (1 win I think) and a pattern is obvious.
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 08/07/2023 08:24:48
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Replying To baire: "The Munster championship is a wonderful championship. The Gaelic Grounds, Cusack Park or Semple Stadium are centrally located for most Munster teams and don't require 80K+ to fill them i.e it's easier to create an atmosphere unlike Croke Park.
There are at least two things lacking in the so called 'Leinster' championship imo:
1. Calling it the Leinster championship is wrong, it's a misnomer, untrue and unfair to the likes of Galway and Antrim.
2. Croke Park is only suitable for AISFs and AIFs.
If the Leinster final was in Tullamore or Portlaoise the atmosphere would have been much better, the quality of the hurling was as good if not better than anything you'd see in Munster." The main benefit to the Leinster Championship of you joining was the thought Kilkenny would be less dominant in it. f you want stats Baire-
Winners since you joined-
Kilkenny-10
Galway- 3
Wexford- 1
Dublin- 1
Kilkenny have won 67% of the Leinster titles
Before you joined-
Kilkenny- 65
Dublin- 23
Wexford- 20
Offaly- 9
Laois- 3
Kilkenny won 54% of the Leinster titles.
So from Leinsters point of view admitting yourselves hasnt actually made our championship any better.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 08/07/2023 09:47:21
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Replying To Viking66: "This is something that's very annoying Baire. The Leinster Championship is a competition that goes back to 1888, the same year the first Munster Championship was run. The 1st Munster Championship game was played around a week before the 1st Leinster Championship game. The Leinster Championship is what it's called and always has been called. If you aren't happy with that get your club to bring a motion to the Galway county Board to withdraw from it and apply to rejoin the Munster Championship. And see will they rename their Championship because they let you into it. They didn't rename it the last time btw.
And any time we made a Leinster final the place was fairly packed. That's because it means something to us. From reading alot of your countys posters it means nothing to you lads up there. Young Connacht lads are never going to grow up dreaming of winning a Leinster Championship. Why would or should they?
You and Antrim are playing in our championship at the expense of Leinster counties like Westmeath, Laois, Offaly, Kildare, Meath, who traditionally entered teams in it for decades. Offaly have won it more times than you have, and Laois the same number of times, and they're not let into it. That's just not right." You may be annoyed Viking but let's look at some pertinent facts and try and make sense of the real cause of your annoyance. It was a KK man, as President of the GAA, who invited Galway into the Leinster championship. At the time KK were totally dominant in Leinster. Not only were they beating teams each year, they were hammering them mercilessly. For a period of 11 years KK won every Leinster title except for one loss. Rather than admitting that the Leinster Championship wasn't fit for purpose, Galway were invited in, as second-class citizens, to try and cover the cracks.
"And any time we made a Leinster final the place was fairly packed. That's because it means something to us.
Young Connacht lads are never going to grow up dreaming of winning a Leinster Championship. Why would or should they? "
Why indeed! Likewise, why would or should Connacht lads dream of winning a Munster championship?
"You and Antrim are playing in our championship at the expense of Leinster counties like Westmeath, Laois, Offaly, Kildare, Meath, who traditionally entered teams in it for decades. Offaly have won it more times than you have, and Laois the same number of times, and they're not let into it. That's just not right."
You are being disengenous here Viking. 7 out of the 12 Leinster counties have never won a Leinster title. Galway had nothing to do with that!
Before Galway's arrival Dublin had won 23 titles, their last title in 1961. Those Dublin titles were won by a team of non-Dubs working in Dublin. Wexford had won 20 titles before Galway's arrival. Did Wexford people have a grievance or complain about 'outsiders' winning Leinster titles in the name of Dublin during those years?
To compare the number of titles Laois won to Galway's is a joke. Laois won 3 Leinster titles, 1914, 1915, 1949 in a period of 134 years and the last time they won was 74 years ago! Galway won two of their 3 titles against arguably the best team of all time while playing most of those games east of the Shannon and under Leinster rules and officials.
I understand what the Leinster championship would mean to a Leinster man. Why not revive it? Replace the Walsh cup with the traditional knock-out Leinster championship. The current one could be re-named "The Rest of Ireland Championship". How about that?
In reality only 20% of counties play hurling at the highest level in Connacht, Ulster and Leinster. Munster is the exception.
You may not like to admit that, but that's the reality. The other reality is KK, not Galway!
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Are you sure?
Last time we played Cork in the championship we beat them and we didn't get out of leinster this year.
Check the head to head for wexford kk or Dublin Galway.
Only for a dirty stroke on Shane reck you wouldn't have got past us either.
Munster is fantastic, but some of the talk about leinster is over the top. The results just don't back it up.
Munster hurling is a bit like Dáil Éireann "sure aren't we great lads"
It's hard to get out of munster. There are no easy matches.
It's hard to finish bottom of leinster for the traditional counties. But its no walk in the park to win it either.
If Cork were in leinster would they have got out? Possibly.
If Clare were in leinster would they win it? No." How do you know Clare wouldn't win it?
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2438 - 08/07/2023 11:07:41
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Replying To Oldtourman: "Waterford beat Tipp last year and this year. They also beat Galway Cork and KK in Covid years" Agree but think covid was knockout mainly but generally nit good record in round Robin
Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 793 - 08/07/2023 11:20:46
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Why is it when Clare beat Wexford lads like you have a very simple reason why we did so rather than admitting Clare are a better team than Wexford?
It's either our best player has to go off injured because of a made up "dirty stroke" that no one else saw or sure we didn't get off the bus for the first 15 minutes. Always a simple solution. Look at Wexfords record against Clare over the past 10 years (1 win I think) and a pattern is obvious." You could actually go a long way further back than that LRH. Since there was a back door our record is terrible against you and before that our record is nonexistent nearly.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 08/07/2023 11:30:59
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Are you sure?
Last time we played Cork in the championship we beat them and we didn't get out of leinster this year.
Check the head to head for wexford kk or Dublin Galway.
Only for a dirty stroke on Shane reck you wouldn't have got past us either.
Munster is fantastic, but some of the talk about leinster is over the top. The results just don't back it up.
Munster hurling is a bit like Dáil Éireann "sure aren't we great lads"
It's hard to get out of munster. There are no easy matches.
It's hard to finish bottom of leinster for the traditional counties. But its no walk in the park to win it either.
If Cork were in leinster would they have got out? Possibly.
If Clare were in leinster would they win it? No." We love Munster hurling, it's a way of life since we were kids and travelled with our parents. Holidays are cancelled, wedding dates are double checked and the sole conversation at work and in the pubs is about it. It is the be all and end all to us. I can totally understand on the flip side why someone outside of this can get irked by our carry on at times as we do get carried away. Everyone in Munster also recognises that the very best of Leinster are every bit as good and possibly better (we'll know more after the weekend) than what is in Munster. There is nothing in it. It could very well be an all Leinster final.
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Best of luck to all involved with limerick today..hopefully we get another great result and have another final to look forward to..looking forward to great semis has been the best weekend of hurling for last few years..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2572 - 08/07/2023 12:10:18
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Replying To baire: "You may be annoyed Viking but let's look at some pertinent facts and try and make sense of the real cause of your annoyance. It was a KK man, as President of the GAA, who invited Galway into the Leinster championship. At the time KK were totally dominant in Leinster. Not only were they beating teams each year, they were hammering them mercilessly. For a period of 11 years KK won every Leinster title except for one loss. Rather than admitting that the Leinster Championship wasn't fit for purpose, Galway were invited in, as second-class citizens, to try and cover the cracks.
"And any time we made a Leinster final the place was fairly packed. That's because it means something to us.
Young Connacht lads are never going to grow up dreaming of winning a Leinster Championship. Why would or should they? "
Why indeed! Likewise, why would or should Connacht lads dream of winning a Munster championship?
"You and Antrim are playing in our championship at the expense of Leinster counties like Westmeath, Laois, Offaly, Kildare, Meath, who traditionally entered teams in it for decades. Offaly have won it more times than you have, and Laois the same number of times, and they're not let into it. That's just not right."
You are being disengenous here Viking. 7 out of the 12 Leinster counties have never won a Leinster title. Galway had nothing to do with that!
Before Galway's arrival Dublin had won 23 titles, their last title in 1961. Those Dublin titles were won by a team of non-Dubs working in Dublin. Wexford had won 20 titles before Galway's arrival. Did Wexford people have a grievance or complain about 'outsiders' winning Leinster titles in the name of Dublin during those years?
To compare the number of titles Laois won to Galway's is a joke. Laois won 3 Leinster titles, 1914, 1915, 1949 in a period of 134 years and the last time they won was 74 years ago! Galway won two of their 3 titles against arguably the best team of all time while playing most of those games east of the Shannon and under Leinster rules and officials.
I understand what the Leinster championship would mean to a Leinster man. Why not revive it? Replace the Walsh cup with the traditional knock-out Leinster championship. The current one could be re-named "The Rest of Ireland Championship". How about that?
In reality only 20% of counties play hurling at the highest level in Connacht, Ulster and Leinster. Munster is the exception.
You may not like to admit that, but that's the reality. The other reality is KK, not Galway!" The reality in the late noughties was Kilkenny were hammering everyone, not just the Leinster counties. The year before your 1st in Leinster they won the AI final by 23 points. They were an amazing team.
We had by our standards a poor enough team at the time. Probably our poorest team since before WW2. Offaly also declined at the same time. Dublin were fairly strong however and were probably unlucky not to win an AI title.
You won Leinster in 2017 and 2018. We probably would have won Leinster in those 2 years had you not been in Leinster, as we had a better team than Kilkenny in those years and beat them in the Leinster semifinal in 2017.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 08/07/2023 12:17:44
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Replying To baire: "You may be annoyed Viking but let's look at some pertinent facts and try and make sense of the real cause of your annoyance. It was a KK man, as President of the GAA, who invited Galway into the Leinster championship. At the time KK were totally dominant in Leinster. Not only were they beating teams each year, they were hammering them mercilessly. For a period of 11 years KK won every Leinster title except for one loss. Rather than admitting that the Leinster Championship wasn't fit for purpose, Galway were invited in, as second-class citizens, to try and cover the cracks.
"And any time we made a Leinster final the place was fairly packed. That's because it means something to us.
Young Connacht lads are never going to grow up dreaming of winning a Leinster Championship. Why would or should they? "
Why indeed! Likewise, why would or should Connacht lads dream of winning a Munster championship?
"You and Antrim are playing in our championship at the expense of Leinster counties like Westmeath, Laois, Offaly, Kildare, Meath, who traditionally entered teams in it for decades. Offaly have won it more times than you have, and Laois the same number of times, and they're not let into it. That's just not right."
You are being disengenous here Viking. 7 out of the 12 Leinster counties have never won a Leinster title. Galway had nothing to do with that!
Before Galway's arrival Dublin had won 23 titles, their last title in 1961. Those Dublin titles were won by a team of non-Dubs working in Dublin. Wexford had won 20 titles before Galway's arrival. Did Wexford people have a grievance or complain about 'outsiders' winning Leinster titles in the name of Dublin during those years?
To compare the number of titles Laois won to Galway's is a joke. Laois won 3 Leinster titles, 1914, 1915, 1949 in a period of 134 years and the last time they won was 74 years ago! Galway won two of their 3 titles against arguably the best team of all time while playing most of those games east of the Shannon and under Leinster rules and officials.
I understand what the Leinster championship would mean to a Leinster man. Why not revive it? Replace the Walsh cup with the traditional knock-out Leinster championship. The current one could be re-named "The Rest of Ireland Championship". How about that?
In reality only 20% of counties play hurling at the highest level in Connacht, Ulster and Leinster. Munster is the exception.
You may not like to admit that, but that's the reality. The other reality is KK, not Galway!" I do personally agree with you that the Leinster and Munster Championships should be seperate from the AI championship. It would be better to get rid of League semifinals and finals, run a knockout Leinster and Munster Championship over 4 weeks, then a 2 group 10 team round robin AI championship with promotion and relegation to the Joe Mac. One way of qualifying would be have the 8 teams from the Munster and Leinster semifinals join the Ulster and Connacht champions in the AI Round Robin. Or another to make the League more relevant would be run a div1 and div2 instead of div1a and div1b with promotion and relegation between them, and the 6 div1 teams and top 4 div2 teams would be the 10 teams in the AI round robin.
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Replying To CARPS: "Back in the "God be with the days" you could win an All-Ireland by playing two games (if you were Galway), or four if you were anybody else.
That's why there was no much time for space between fixtures.
This year, Galway would need to play eight games to win an All-Ireland. It would have been nine for Dublin. Or seven for Kilkenny.
It's not hard to see "what in the name of God is all this rushing about for."
If the season isn't compacted, clubs will never see their players. It was different in the "God be with the days." They could be released during the championship." That's why there was no much time for space between fixtures.
sorry, meant
That's why there was So much time for space between fixtures.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 871 - 08/07/2023 13:14:45
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Doyler did you see the incident. Michael duignan saw it aswell. It's funny how tk came into the game once reck went off funny how o donnell came into the game when Damien reck went off. Look we didn't deserve to win we couldn't see it out and once the the injuries happens we didn't have the strength in depth and ye had the support behind ye and drove ye over the line.
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