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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "what has happened to our game at all..God be with the days when one All Ireland hurling semi final was the first Sunday in August, preceded by a minor semi final, and the second was the following Sunday etc..An All Ireland semi final at 6 o'clock of a Saturday evening and the second one the next day...what in the name of God is all this rushing about for...its gone beyond a joke...maybe pull out the small goals on Saturday evening and let Clare and Kilkenny have one half the pitch and Limerick and Galway the other half and get the two games "out of the way" altogether the one day....the games are destroyed attraction and build up wise..."
If we had less games already as we would have had back then, and players could be released back to their clubs between them, then we wouldn't be in this position now. Greed got us here. Greed for more games.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16567 - 04/07/2023 08:41:32    2492025

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Replying To Canuck:  "Clare are on the up trend. Looking now like they know how to add and subtract parts. Let's be honest Limerick are a machine that arrived assembled. This did not happen by accident but brought along by leaders who only had the interest of Limerick at heart. Personal egos are often the down fall of teams. Of course it is a big help to have the right engineers driving them trains."
Adding and subtracting. Machine that is assembled. Engineers and trains. It's no wonder Waterford hurling is the way it is!

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 847 - 04/07/2023 09:17:17    2492035

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "what has happened to our game at all..God be with the days when one All Ireland hurling semi final was the first Sunday in August, preceded by a minor semi final, and the second was the following Sunday etc..An All Ireland semi final at 6 o'clock of a Saturday evening and the second one the next day...what in the name of God is all this rushing about for...its gone beyond a joke...maybe pull out the small goals on Saturday evening and let Clare and Kilkenny have one half the pitch and Limerick and Galway the other half and get the two games "out of the way" altogether the one day....the games are destroyed attraction and build up wise..."
I think the Semi finals should always be on the same weekend, a team shouldn't have an extra weeks rest than their opponents going into an AI final

Kinvara (Galway) - Posts: 200 - 04/07/2023 09:46:56    2492047

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "what has happened to our game at all..God be with the days when one All Ireland hurling semi final was the first Sunday in August, preceded by a minor semi final, and the second was the following Sunday etc..An All Ireland semi final at 6 o'clock of a Saturday evening and the second one the next day...what in the name of God is all this rushing about for...its gone beyond a joke...maybe pull out the small goals on Saturday evening and let Clare and Kilkenny have one half the pitch and Limerick and Galway the other half and get the two games "out of the way" altogether the one day....the games are destroyed attraction and build up wise..."
Very melodramatic post.
I can't wait for the weekend :)

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 04/07/2023 11:05:51    2492075

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "what has happened to our game at all..God be with the days when one All Ireland hurling semi final was the first Sunday in August, preceded by a minor semi final, and the second was the following Sunday etc..An All Ireland semi final at 6 o'clock of a Saturday evening and the second one the next day...what in the name of God is all this rushing about for...its gone beyond a joke...maybe pull out the small goals on Saturday evening and let Clare and Kilkenny have one half the pitch and Limerick and Galway the other half and get the two games "out of the way" altogether the one day....the games are destroyed attraction and build up wise..."
Its been that way since 2018? Even before the split season.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 847 - 04/07/2023 11:34:57    2492090

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Ah cone. Cork have been fairly well beaten every they got out of Munster and too many of their players are six or seven years in situ they seriously need a heavy infusion of youth Like Limerick in 18"
2013 and 2018 are the two years they were good enough to win it. I agree that in the main though we haven't been anywhere close. However I'd be confident in saying that we have the young talent in our current and past (since 2017) underage teams to win a senior All Ireland in the near future.

Frontier1000 (Cork) - Posts: 64 - 04/07/2023 14:36:38    2492160

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I expect cork to be very strong in next couple of years.they have what look like very good underage players coming through.even a few of the 20s could have made a difference to the seniors..mark coleman will also come back and will become a major part of the team..their underage teams have been very strong for the last few years..on next weekend,why has James owens got another big game??

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2572 - 04/07/2023 17:54:06    2492242

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Replying To Frontier1000:  "2013 and 2018 are the two years they were good enough to win it. I agree that in the main though we haven't been anywhere close. However I'd be confident in saying that we have the young talent in our current and past (since 2017) underage teams to win a senior All Ireland in the near future."
I don't think talent has ever been an issue for Cork. It takes more than just talent to win an AI though, or otherwise you would have won a few since 2005.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16567 - 04/07/2023 17:58:33    2492245

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Replying To Canuck:  "Clare are on the up trend. Looking now like they know how to add and subtract parts. Let's be honest Limerick are a machine that arrived assembled. This did not happen by accident but brought along by leaders who only had the interest of Limerick at heart. Personal egos are often the down fall of teams. Of course it is a big help to have the right engineers driving them trains."
One thing about the current crop is that there is no ego. That goes for everyone in the camp. You do your job or you take a seat and wait to get another chance to do your job. Hopefully we do it on Saturday but it seems like Galway have that big performance in them and have a habit over the years of stopping the favourites in the final.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6490 - 05/07/2023 07:59:36    2492310

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Replying To Frontier1000:  "2013 and 2018 are the two years they were good enough to win it. I agree that in the main though we haven't been anywhere close. However I'd be confident in saying that we have the young talent in our current and past (since 2017) underage teams to win a senior All Ireland in the near future."
Well that is all very well, But in U 20 in '19 limerick and Cork were level at the end of normal time, in '20 Cork won that match by a single point, they were well beaten in Pairc Ui Rinn last year and narrowly won this year. Much the same level of close victories characterised the level of winning margins Limerick had with their Three in a Row team of twenty odd years ago and they came to nothing.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4517 - 05/07/2023 19:56:04    2492526

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Replying To slayer:  "One thing about the current crop is that there is no ego. That goes for everyone in the camp. You do your job or you take a seat and wait to get another chance to do your job. Hopefully we do it on Saturday but it seems like Galway have that big performance in them and have a habit over the years of stopping the favourites in the final."
What happened to all the fighting talk about the great Munster hurling championship and the poor standard of the Leinster one?

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 06/07/2023 10:36:54    2492590

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Replying To baire:  "What happened to all the fighting talk about the great Munster hurling championship and the poor standard of the Leinster one?"
It was an exceptional munster championship and the leinster one was a poor standard. I don't think anyone can dispute that. However the 4 teams that are still in it from both provinces are high quality outfits all capable of beating each other. Provincial championships are done now and there very well could be a tweak next year as to how teams might arrive at the semi final stage.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1198 - 06/07/2023 11:36:52    2492614

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Replying To baire:  "What happened to all the fighting talk about the great Munster hurling championship and the poor standard of the Leinster one?"
I don't subscribe to that Baire. I have my own observations on both championships, but have a lot of respect for Leinster hurling. Was lucky enough to attend the 2012 Leinster final & Galway's physicality and tenacity shocked the crowd. 2-11 to 0-1 up after about 28 minutes. I had a few quid on Kilkenny that day but had to eat my words at Galway's approach.

In simple mathematical terms I think if Leinster had a 5 team championship it would be a lot more competitive too. with a 5 team round robin, you really only get one chance, like Clare and Limerick this year. You then need to win 2 of the other 3 games at least.

With a six team championship, winning 3 & losing 2 will most likely get you out of the province.

So I think that is a factor as opposed to any suggestions of a lower standard.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6490 - 06/07/2023 12:09:28    2492625

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Thank you to all the great posters and conversation I have had on here over the years. I will be off now as being stalked under the guise of winding becomes tiresome.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3134 - 06/07/2023 17:05:44    2492723

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Replying To baire:  "What happened to all the fighting talk about the great Munster hurling championship and the poor standard of the Leinster one?"
Your missing the point.

The Munster championship is superb because it is dog eat dog. The competition is savage.

Leinster is a joke because Galway and KK bearly need to break sweat to qualify out of it any given year bar maybe 1 in 10.

Cork who were eliminated in 4th would destroy Dublin who qualified in 3rd from Leinster.

KK and Galway however are top teams but they have it too easy in Leinster.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 06/07/2023 18:15:56    2492737

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Terrible record against kilkenny. Would be shocked if Cleary or McCarthy play. Although as the match gets closer the confidence rises as usual. Just hoping we show up and have our radars working.

Galway are such a dangerous team to play in a semi historically. Even if Limerick lose on Sat I still see a couple more all-irelands in them. But I'll still back Lim to get over the line this wknd.

Should be a cracking wknd of hurling though.

Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 127 - 06/07/2023 19:38:22    2492746

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Replying To Buachaillbui:  "Terrible record against kilkenny. Would be shocked if Cleary or McCarthy play. Although as the match gets closer the confidence rises as usual. Just hoping we show up and have our radars working.

Galway are such a dangerous team to play in a semi historically. Even if Limerick lose on Sat I still see a couple more all-irelands in them. But I'll still back Lim to get over the line this wknd.

Should be a cracking wknd of hurling though."
McCarthy not on the 26

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16567 - 07/07/2023 14:34:42    2492933

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Your missing the point.

The Munster championship is superb because it is dog eat dog. The competition is savage.

Leinster is a joke because Galway and KK bearly need to break sweat to qualify out of it any given year bar maybe 1 in 10.

Cork who were eliminated in 4th would destroy Dublin who qualified in 3rd from Leinster.

KK and Galway however are top teams but they have it too easy in Leinster."
Galway didn't qualify for the AI series in 2019 LRH, despite having reached the previous 2 AI finals and winning one of them. And they have only beaten Dublin once in Leinster in the last 5 years, losing twice and drawing once. Kilkenny have only beaten us once in the Round Robin era, that by a point in Nowlan Park after being 8 or so points down in the second half. We have beaten them 3 times, including the last time they lost a Leinster final, and drew the other game. Its not as clearcut as you seem to think. Especially when you consider that Waterford have only 1 one Round Robin win ever. Yes this year's Munster Championship was great, but last year resulted in automatic qualification for the only 3 teams that actually hurled in it.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16567 - 07/07/2023 14:41:56    2492937

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Your missing the point.

The Munster championship is superb because it is dog eat dog. The competition is savage.

Leinster is a joke because Galway and KK bearly need to break sweat to qualify out of it any given year bar maybe 1 in 10.

Cork who were eliminated in 4th would destroy Dublin who qualified in 3rd from Leinster.

KK and Galway however are top teams but they have it too easy in Leinster."
The Munster championship is a wonderful championship. The Gaelic Grounds, Cusack Park or Semple Stadium are centrally located for most Munster teams and don't require 80K+ to fill them i.e it's easier to create an atmosphere unlike Croke Park.
There are at least two things lacking in the so called 'Leinster' championship imo:
1. Calling it the Leinster championship is wrong, it's a misnomer, untrue and unfair to the likes of Galway and Antrim.
2. Croke Park is only suitable for AISFs and AIFs.

If the Leinster final was in Tullamore or Portlaoise the atmosphere would have been much better, the quality of the hurling was as good if not better than anything you'd see in Munster.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 07/07/2023 15:47:43    2492966

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Lads this Leinster Championship V Munster Championship debate is getting old and tiresome.

You can only play the teams that are in front of you and try and qualify from that. For the record both Kilkenny and Galway would have absolutely no problem competing with the best in Munster, and going toe to toe.

The cream will always rise to the top. I think the four best Hurling teams the country this season, are the four in the Semi Finals and any of these four of these can beat each other on any given day. There's only 3 hurling matches left in the Intercounty Season so lap them up and enjoy them and may the best teams win.

LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 193 - 07/07/2023 16:23:06    2492978

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