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Re distance OTM, Newcastle West is 1.30 hours from Thurles. Clifden is 3.30 to Thurles and 3.45 to Croke Park. I know lads who go to both hurling and football from further than Clifden to CP. Add in a tea break on both journeys and you're talking about a round trip of at least 8 hours. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 30/06/2023 12:34:56 2490830 Link 1 |
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Tipp definitely didn't look past Galway. They were just beaten by the better team on the day. Remember, Tipp have jutst come off their worst season I can remember for a long time. Qualifying from Munster was a fair achievement given last years performance. They were very close from being in Munster final too. I think Cahill had them "peak" too early. They flew it in the league and early in the championship and their trajectory was downwards from there LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 30/06/2023 12:49:15 2490834 Link 0 |
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I don't think we under estimated Galway as Kilkenny would have wiped the floor with us as well bringing that type of no show to Limerick. Tactically Galway were way better any team can hurl but its how you set up your stall and move the ball will go a long way to deciding the game. Look at the Limerick hurlers for example. Man on Man would they win every game? Probably not. However put them playing a system and they beat everyone off the park. Tipp are miles away from tactically getting it right every team in the last 4 are the teams who are consistently spot on with their tactics and match ups. Tipp can hurl anyone off the park but we haven't evolved with the game.
WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 30/06/2023 13:10:17 2490839 Link 0 |
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Tipp were just flat on the day and Galway were able to hold control at all the ebbs and flows you get during a game. Albeit they stuttered a bit near the end. Would a sharper Tipp punish that. Or are Galway now tuned up to get over the line after the Leinster final. I think they may have an other gear also. It is nonsense for people saying that Tipp suffered physiological from the Waterford game. These teams are too well prepared for that. A game that you could not have planned for the way we played with nothing on the line. It is also too soon in Liam Cahill's reign with the Tipp dregs of last year and juggling who to retire. He was walking a tight rope that I am sure will be snapped next year. The big thing for Liam is has he learned from the two mistakes made in back to back championship when both Waterford and Tipp's preparation was seriously flawed. This was a know factor in Waterford from people close to the team.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3134 - 30/06/2023 15:14:04 2490868 Link 0 |
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I hear this line a lot, especially on discussed Shane Stapletons podcast where he says things like Tipp would beat any other county in the wall ball and that they have more pure hurling ability than other counties, just not the physical attributes or tactics. I think this is complete nonsense and used as a consolation line but there is no evidence to it, Their hurling ability may be at best on a par with many of the top counties but is not superior and it is below others. Their long distance ball striking for one thing is below other teams levels from what i can see. I think Limerick for example have had far better stick men than Tipp at the moment. Cian Lynch is a pure street hurler and can make the ball talk, Declan Hannon is a pure wristy hurler with an effortless strike, Barry Nash at corner back is another pure stickman as is DOD in midfield, they rarely fumble or mis hit their strikes its crisp and clean everytime as is their first touch. Limerick have had the the success first and foremost because they had the greatest number of most skilful hurlers at the time. Things like fitness and systems and tactics are important but unless you have the most important factor of all which is a group of talented and skillful hurlers to carry the instructions out, you can forget about it. Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 453 - 30/06/2023 16:02:15 2490873 Link 3 |
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I think both LohansRedHelmet and Canuck have given a very good analysis of Tipperary's season. No, they definitely did not underestimate Galway - any Tipp poeple I know have the height of respect for Galway and with good reason. Tipp at their very best always had a struggle to beat Galway and matches between them over the past 15 years or so almost always went down to the wire. Tipp were flat on the day and were lucky to lose by just two points, which Liam Cahill acknowledged. Both players and management are still learning but this year was a significant improvement on 2022. There's no guarantee they can take another step forward next year but they are entitled to be given another chance. midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 619 - 30/06/2023 16:27:15 2490876 Link 2 |
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They're overrated. Clare handed them 3 goals and had a man black carded. They couldn't beat Limerick who hurled poor on the day and hit 19 wides. Beaten by Waterford. They've two championship wins in 2 years, one against Offaly. Simply not good enough.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 847 - 30/06/2023 16:56:54 2490884 Link 2 |
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They didn't peak at all!!!
SixtiesKid (Galway) - Posts: 357 - 30/06/2023 19:33:13 2490897 Link 3 |
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Not looking past Galway at all. Merely stating that Clare would be harder to beat IMO
Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 30/06/2023 20:36:22 2490902 Link 0 |
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Tipp had a great season when you compare it to last year. They'll be back in Munster Finals and All Irelands soon enough.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2595 - 30/06/2023 23:18:11 2490916 Link 0 |
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Yes they did, they peaked v Clare, Cork and Limerick in the RR. That was their peak
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 01/07/2023 07:32:25 2490928 Link 0 |
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Wouldn't that be a little worrying if you were a Tipp fan LRH? They needed Foudy to give them the 1st game, they drew against Cork who havent been great at Senior for a long time, and drew with a Limerick team that certainly hasn't peaked yet?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16566 - 01/07/2023 12:24:26 2490983 Link 0 |
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That's quite harsh Viking. Tipp played extremely well vs their biggest rivals in Munster. They improved massively this year and that should leave their fans optimistic for 2024. The issue is why they are peaking too soon/can't maintain that level of performance. They played very well vs Clare albeit being helped by Foudy's two mistakes. Although Cork haven't won an AI for years, your doing some good players a disservice. They were no pushover this year and Tipp were the better team in PUC. Limerick are still the best team in the land even if not at their previous heights. A draw against them is a still a good result.
Frontier1000 (Cork) - Posts: 64 - 01/07/2023 15:38:05 2491054 Link 2 |
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If we had got those results it would be rightly praised. But this is the great hurling county Tipperary we are talking about. Tipped by many of their fans for number 29. I wasn't running down Cork in any way with that post. I personally believe Cork will win several AI titles before Tipp win another one.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16566 - 01/07/2023 16:29:08 2491062 Link 0 |
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If we had got those results it would be rightly praised. But this is the great hurling county Tipperary we are talking about. Tipped by many of their fans for number 29. I wasn't running down Cork in any way with that post. I personally believe Cork will win several AI titles before Tipp win another one.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16566 - 01/07/2023 16:33:56 2491064 Link 0 |
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I would tend to agree with that, I think Cork are the coming team in Ireland tbh
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 01/07/2023 17:42:55 2491079 Link 0 |
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I disagree LRH. I think Clare will be the team that takes over from Limerick, but no sign yet of Limerick's great run ending.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 619 - 01/07/2023 17:56:43 2491083 Link 0 |
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Underage is no guarantee of success. Galway constantly flatter to decieve. We know that too. 4 U21s out of 7 and we got one All-ireland and never even made a ripple in Munster. That limerick team from the early 00's won 3 in a row had potential too and it never materialised. Cork are bound to come at some stage with a team. I just hope it's not in my lifetime. Like Tipp they've already won too much. Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 127 - 01/07/2023 18:54:56 2491089 Link 1 |
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I'd agree. I think cork and tipp have the deepest strength looking at the 20-23 year old bracket right now. Both countys have introduced a lot of young lads to the conditioning needed at this level and they'll get stronger for it. The hurling is always there in cork and tipp. Kilkenny too have a nice crop coming. Limericks age profile is still very good. Clare have likes of conlon 34 Tony Kelly and Shane o donnell 30 this year so maybe their window is now or next Year. Clare have a nice bitbof talent coming through but they were a waste ground for too many years through county board neglect. They might have a small dip in a couple of years but should come back. I think Limerick will be competing in croke park for another 5 years minimum as this group is still largely young.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1198 - 01/07/2023 19:06:40 2491096 Link 0 |
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The Limerick 3 in a row team you mentioned had several members who were too fond of drinking and ill discipline.
KnockaineyAbú (Limerick) - Posts: 96 - 01/07/2023 20:32:01 2491111 Link 1 |