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Replying To Premier28:  "Midlands
No point in arguing against bitterness and nonsensical comments from some posters on here, we know at this stage down through the years that everyone hates Tipp and by God don't we love it is'nt it great
Looking forward to our 29th All Ireland this year and the last three in 10,16.19 won with the new rules
Oh my God how did we manage that without any butchering? Must be something wrong!!
God love them"
Well KK have twenty 21 All Irelands while ye have won 7.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4495 - 19/06/2023 12:11:57    2487245

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well Tipp conceded 8 goal and 2 points and scored Zilch in the first half in 1959 to Waterford and they were reigning All Ireland and ended up been beaten by seventeen points. In 1960 Wexford brought three men who had played inter county for a few years and beat Tipp double scores.
The fact is there there was SFA in Munster, apart from Waterford, in the sixties, Galway were abysmal and there is no way a team that conceded nine goals in a sixty minute Championship can be even considered as the greatest team ever."
58,61,62,64,65 all Tipperary no Waterford no Kilkenny no Wexford and Tipp were gone in 68 when Wexford won that day
wow! sfa in munster
theres your statistics and no back door
no question they were the greatest!!

Premier28 (Tipperary) - Posts: 105 - 19/06/2023 12:17:11    2487248

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Replying To Premier28:  "Exactly
actually Tipp teams had to suffer a lot of butchering from other teams down through the years and also had to beat the ref the umpires and two linesmen as well as the opposing team
Jimmy Doyle and co were butchered by opposing teams down through the years and if the rules were the same as now back then Tipp would even have won many more All Irelands than their current impressive haul"
Oh no ref ever gave ye a break- more of your nonsense- poor old persecuted Tipp. In '71 Frank Murphy surely gave ye every thing that was going in '71, falling to give advantage for two Limerick goals and allowing Donie Nealon to change the sliotar before a twenty one yards free, in the Munster Final and Paul Codd probably the most accurate Long range striker of his generation was lining up a shot, all alone Fifty yards to win the game, when my countyman Pat O'Connor blew the Whistle. As regards your remark that that Tipp would win more All Irelands it is years ago that John Doyle said he would be lost in the Modern Game and he also bemoaned the introduction of the Back Door System.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4495 - 19/06/2023 12:21:23    2487250

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Well that is two counties, who is the third?"
He is hanging to the coattails of the Cats yet again. The fact is in the past twenty five Years KK have won 11 All Irelands, Tipp and Limerick four each, Cork three, Clare , Galway and Offaly one each. The day of the Big three is gone. There is only one big one.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4495 - 19/06/2023 12:26:49    2487256

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Replying To Premier28:  "Cork have 30 so they will always be in the big three
they are just experiencing what Tipp went through from 1971 to 1989 so they will be back its only a matter of time
other counties take half a century to win All Irelands and then when they win a few they think they are up there with the big 3 then they disappear for another 50 years or so and the big 3 dominate again"
Wow the last 5 years must have been tough viewing for you. You should try and enjoy a great team when you see one and not drop infantile statements every chance you get. Then you wonder why certain folks have a dislike for Tipp. Tipp have won 6 AIs in the last 50 years. Limerick have 5 in that time and who knows what's around the corner. I love the history of hurling and I also respect those whove won AIs and loved watching the great teams over the years from the fence.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 19/06/2023 12:28:25    2487259

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "It was a good match. Wind was a big enough fact. Cleverly enough managed by Dublin in first half - despite some outrageous scores from distance by Carlow - and never looked like being pegged back after the first goal.

Job done and on to hopefully a credible performance against Clare. Dublin be now in same position as Carlow regarding chances. Carlow look well set up to make a go of it in championship next year. Not having been promoted in league might even prove to be a bonus in same way as it contributed to focus on McDonagh."
I wouldn't be as dismissive regarding your chances vs Clare, yes your underdogs but that tag has often suited ye over the years, Clare never recovered from losing the Munster final last year and have to overcome that question mark again this year.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 19/06/2023 12:29:15    2487260

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Replying To Premier28:  "The excellent Tipp team of the 60's would survive in any era as there was no back door system and save for a shock defeat by Waterford in the 63 Munster final would have won 5 in a row if they had a second chance so that is greatness same as the great KK team of between 06 and 14 when they played Tipp in 7 All Ireland finals with both Teams winning 3 each with one draw"
U only beat KK One time between 06 And 14. The record in champion meeting is KK 5 tipp 1 in that time.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 157 - 19/06/2023 12:43:15    2487271

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well Tipp conceded 8 goal and 2 points and scored Zilch in the first half in 1959 to Waterford and they were reigning All Ireland and ended up been beaten by seventeen points. In 1960 Wexford brought three men who had played inter county for a few years and beat Tipp double scores.
The fact is there there was SFA in Munster, apart from Waterford, in the sixties, Galway were abysmal and there is no way a team that conceded nine goals in a sixty minute Championship can be even considered as the greatest team ever."
They peaked in 1964/65 and the total dominance they exercised in those 2 years, would suggest that they are up with the very best. Give credit where credit is due!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 532 - 19/06/2023 12:49:56    2487277

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Replying To tiobraid:  "3 in 14 seasons is something most counties would bit your hand off for Viking. I feel we had the winning of it in 2014 but ultimately we played in 7 finals in 14 seasons (incl replay) and won 3, lost 3 and drew 1. By Tipp standards in my lifetime anyway - thats nothing to be sneezed at"
Yes but your fellow Tipp poster is implying that stat means you are still part of the big 3 that ruled the hurling world pre 1970. Your record since I was born in 71 is way behind Corks and Kilkennys. And your record since I moved to Wexford in the early 90s is comparable to Clares, Limericks and Corks. Which is a long way behind Kilkennys.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15833 - 19/06/2023 12:52:57    2487279

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Replying To Premier28:  "there was a big two then Tipp and Kilkenny
They played 7 All Irelands between them Tipp won 3 and Kilkenny won 3 and one draw
You need to do more research
The big one you talk about now has 11 All Ireland titles and waited 45 years to win one that will never happen with the big 3"
They are the current big 1. That's not to say they will win any more in the next 45 years but I've a feeling they won't be waiting that long.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15833 - 19/06/2023 12:54:11    2487280

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Replying To Premier28:  "yes half nearly of Wexford's total in their entire history
it would make you laugh would'nt it"
With your superiority in playing numbers especially back in the day you should have far more won relative to us.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15833 - 19/06/2023 12:55:17    2487281

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "I wouldn't be as dismissive regarding your chances vs Clare, yes your underdogs but that tag has often suited ye over the years, Clare never recovered from losing the Munster final last year and have to overcome that question mark again this year."
Well it's shot to nothing and are well set up enough not to get a pasting. Only conceded 3 goals in 6 games - none against yourselves and Cats - so that's major progress. Getting them the other end will be key to any progress from here.

Good year anyway, whatever happens. Hopefully they'll have the two matches as double header in Thurles or Limerick and not be dragging one off to an empty PUC. Be two good games to have together in front of 30k+.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3548 - 19/06/2023 12:56:14    2487283

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Replying To Premier28:  "Midlands
No point in arguing against bitterness and nonsensical comments from some posters on here, we know at this stage down through the years that everyone hates Tipp and by God don't we love it is'nt it great
Looking forward to our 29th All Ireland this year and the last three in 10,16.19 won with the new rules
Oh my God how did we manage that without any butchering? Must be something wrong!!
God love them"
You had an excellent team between 2010 and 2019. Like Limerick have now. You will likely have others in the future bearing in mind your playing numbers. But to say you are in the same class as Kilkenny in the last 50 years is just pure nonsense.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15833 - 19/06/2023 12:57:32    2487285

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Replying To Premier28:  "True
but hopefully Cork will be back they are improving and have a lot of very good players coming through"
I think they will be sooner rather than later tbh. Cork and Limerick, along with Galway if they get their #### together might well dominate the next decade. Hard to see Tipp and Kilkenny winning many tbh but you never know.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15833 - 19/06/2023 13:00:18    2487289

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Replying To Premier28:  "58,61,62,64,65 all Tipperary no Waterford no Kilkenny no Wexford and Tipp were gone in 68 when Wexford won that day
wow! sfa in munster
theres your statistics and no back door
no question they were the greatest!!"
Think the point OTM was making is that you won Munster handy back then?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15833 - 19/06/2023 13:01:57    2487290

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "They peaked in 1964/65 and the total dominance they exercised in those 2 years, would suggest that they are up with the very best. Give credit where credit is due!"
That would be like saying Wexford were the best team of the 50s because they dominated in 55 and 56. That's nonsense.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15833 - 19/06/2023 13:03:27    2487291

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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes but your fellow Tipp poster is implying that stat means you are still part of the big 3 that ruled the hurling world pre 1970. Your record since I was born in 71 is way behind Corks and Kilkennys. And your record since I moved to Wexford in the early 90s is comparable to Clares, Limericks and Corks. Which is a long way behind Kilkennys."
I dont engage with him too often! Having said that you can look at it anyway you want. Since Limerick won in 2018 we are second in role of honour and also second since KK won their last AI in 2015.... So you can bend these things to whatever way you want!
Its the here and now really is what mostly matters tho with one win in 11 cship games against Liam Mc opposition we are certainly well down the pecking order. Some improvements and green shoot seen this year but still miles behind the 2016 team for example.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 19/06/2023 13:16:19    2487303

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Well it's shot to nothing and are well set up enough not to get a pasting. Only conceded 3 goals in 6 games - none against yourselves and Cats - so that's major progress. Getting them the other end will be key to any progress from here.

Good year anyway, whatever happens. Hopefully they'll have the two matches as double header in Thurles or Limerick and not be dragging one off to an empty PUC. Be two good games to have together in front of 30k+."
yeah 2 games in PUC would be daft, seems like Cork County Board are the only party who want it, I think it should be either a double header in Croker, or have Tipp Galway in Limerick and your game in Portloaise or Thurles.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 19/06/2023 13:20:01    2487306

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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes but your fellow Tipp poster is implying that stat means you are still part of the big 3 that ruled the hurling world pre 1970. Your record since I was born in 71 is way behind Corks and Kilkennys. And your record since I moved to Wexford in the early 90s is comparable to Clares, Limericks and Corks. Which is a long way behind Kilkennys."
"The Big Three" has become a thing of the past over the last 30 years. Because what we've really had since 1993 is a Big One and a load of also-rans:

Kilkenny - won 12 finals, lost 7
Tipp - won 4, lost 4
Limerick - won 4, lost 3
Cork - won 3, lost 4
Clare - won 3, lost 1
Offaly - won 2, lost 1
Galway - won 1, lost 6
Wexford - won 1, lost 0
Waterford - won 0, lost 3

Actually, as I've pointed out before (with tongue firmly in cheek), you could actually argue that Wexford has been the most successful hurling county in that time. We're the only one with a 100% record in All-Ireland Finals.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics :)

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2866 - 19/06/2023 13:22:33    2487308

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Thoughts on this weekends action? I think most are predicting a Clare win against Dublin but if Dublin can re-produce their first half performance against Galway then they have a chance. Clare at 1/8 though is very short but I think they will win.

Tipp and Galway will both fancy their chances. Main question mark over Tipp for me is who starts at 1 and 6. I'd expect Ronan Maher to be up for this game but he hasnt been near his best now for a couple of seasons and O'Mara may move back in there. Niland may well start at 11 and look to float into space and pick off scores like hes so good at. Would like to see either Forde or Noel at 11 and Bowe back in the starting team. Vital we have Barrett back as well. Himself and Concannon would be an interesting match up and if it happens dont rule out cards in that duel. Goals could win this game and I expect it could be fairly high scoring. Plenty of question marks over both teams in terms of consistency so this game could swing back and forth and i wouldnt rule out ET.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 19/06/2023 13:27:44    2487311

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