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Replying To Premier28:  "an overall blip in the bigger scheme of things
You are looking at a small window instead of overall picture as those big three will dominate again shortly its only a matter of time"
Wishful thinking. KK will continue to be the Market Leaders as they have been for the past half Century. As I say Tipp have for long fallen back into the pack being regularly by counties like Clare, Limerick, Waterford- as late as a month ago and at home to boot, Galway and Wexford. Looking at the Minor, and Under 20/21 results for the past decade there is no clear cut indication Tipp are going to become some kind of Juggernaut anytime soon.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4495 - 17/06/2023 13:33:36    2487046

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Replying To Premier28:  "Tipp and Kilkenny have won 10 All Irelands between them from 2006-2019 so what do you mean by the big 3 not being a thing for years?"
Tipp won 3 of those. Cork won none. There was only a big 1 in those years. Kilkenny. And in the years since there's only been a big 1 also. And it's not Cork, Kilkenny or Tipp.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15831 - 19/06/2023 09:05:08    2487052

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Replying To Viking66:  "Tipp won 3 of those. Cork won none. There was only a big 1 in those years. Kilkenny. And in the years since there's only been a big 1 also. And it's not Cork, Kilkenny or Tipp."
3 in 14 seasons is something most counties would bit your hand off for Viking. I feel we had the winning of it in 2014 but ultimately we played in 7 finals in 14 seasons (incl replay) and won 3, lost 3 and drew 1. By Tipp standards in my lifetime anyway - thats nothing to be sneezed at

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 19/06/2023 10:18:53    2487109

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Replying To Viking66:  "Tipp won 3 of those. Cork won none. There was only a big 1 in those years. Kilkenny. And in the years since there's only been a big 1 also. And it's not Cork, Kilkenny or Tipp."
there was a big two then Tipp and Kilkenny
They played 7 All Irelands between them Tipp won 3 and Kilkenny won 3 and one draw
You need to do more research
The big one you talk about now has 11 All Ireland titles and waited 45 years to win one that will never happen with the big 3

Premier28 (Tipperary) - Posts: 105 - 19/06/2023 10:26:54    2487116

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Replying To tiobraid:  "3 in 14 seasons is something most counties would bit your hand off for Viking. I feel we had the winning of it in 2014 but ultimately we played in 7 finals in 14 seasons (incl replay) and won 3, lost 3 and drew 1. By Tipp standards in my lifetime anyway - thats nothing to be sneezed at"
yes half nearly of Wexford's total in their entire history
it would make you laugh would'nt it

Premier28 (Tipperary) - Posts: 105 - 19/06/2023 10:28:02    2487117

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Oh, so that's what happened? I often wondered why Tipp went the bones of 20 years, 1971-1989, without winning an AI, and in many years in that period without even winning one championship game. But your comment OTM caused me to read up on the rule changes that happened. It seems that the GAA really cleaned things up back then, even got rid of the ban. Taking the butchering and thuggery out of the game doesn't seem to have suited Tipp at all, and it took them nearly two decades to learn that you could no longer cut the head off an opponent as if your hurley were a scythe. It explains a lot!"
Foreveryoung. If you check the records, you'll see how prominent Tipp were at minor level from 1945 up to 1959. In that 15 year period they contested 12 minor All-Irelands, winning 8, some of them by huge margins. Those minor teams formed the backbone of the senior All-Irelands they won in the 50s and 60s. After 1959, they went 16 years without a minor title, and didn't win again until 1976. Further successes in 1980 and 1982, accompanied by a few Under 21 titles, led to the revival under Babs Keatling from 1987 onwards. You'll find a similar trend in Cork, who dominated underage in Munster for most of the 60s and 70s, leading on to their senior 3-in-a-row in the late 1970s. Tipp's senior famine from 71 to 87 can be attributed to their dismal record at minor level in the preceding years, when the talent emerging from underage simply wasn't there. To conclude that it was due to rule changes is very lazy analysis, and your over-the-top reference to "butchering and thuggery" and "cutting the head off an opponent" does nothing to strenghten your argument.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 604 - 19/06/2023 10:35:21    2487125

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Replying To midlands:  "Foreveryoung. If you check the records, you'll see how prominent Tipp were at minor level from 1945 up to 1959. In that 15 year period they contested 12 minor All-Irelands, winning 8, some of them by huge margins. Those minor teams formed the backbone of the senior All-Irelands they won in the 50s and 60s. After 1959, they went 16 years without a minor title, and didn't win again until 1976. Further successes in 1980 and 1982, accompanied by a few Under 21 titles, led to the revival under Babs Keatling from 1987 onwards. You'll find a similar trend in Cork, who dominated underage in Munster for most of the 60s and 70s, leading on to their senior 3-in-a-row in the late 1970s. Tipp's senior famine from 71 to 87 can be attributed to their dismal record at minor level in the preceding years, when the talent emerging from underage simply wasn't there. To conclude that it was due to rule changes is very lazy analysis, and your over-the-top reference to "butchering and thuggery" and "cutting the head off an opponent" does nothing to strenghten your argument."
Exactly
actually Tipp teams had to suffer a lot of butchering from other teams down through the years and also had to beat the ref the umpires and two linesmen as well as the opposing team
Jimmy Doyle and co were butchered by opposing teams down through the years and if the rules were the same as now back then Tipp would even have won many more All Irelands than their current impressive haul

Premier28 (Tipperary) - Posts: 105 - 19/06/2023 11:05:55    2487174

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Replying To midlands:  "Foreveryoung. If you check the records, you'll see how prominent Tipp were at minor level from 1945 up to 1959. In that 15 year period they contested 12 minor All-Irelands, winning 8, some of them by huge margins. Those minor teams formed the backbone of the senior All-Irelands they won in the 50s and 60s. After 1959, they went 16 years without a minor title, and didn't win again until 1976. Further successes in 1980 and 1982, accompanied by a few Under 21 titles, led to the revival under Babs Keatling from 1987 onwards. You'll find a similar trend in Cork, who dominated underage in Munster for most of the 60s and 70s, leading on to their senior 3-in-a-row in the late 1970s. Tipp's senior famine from 71 to 87 can be attributed to their dismal record at minor level in the preceding years, when the talent emerging from underage simply wasn't there. To conclude that it was due to rule changes is very lazy analysis, and your over-the-top reference to "butchering and thuggery" and "cutting the head off an opponent" does nothing to strenghten your argument."
Midlands
No point in arguing against bitterness and nonsensical comments from some posters on here, we know at this stage down through the years that everyone hates Tipp and by God don't we love it is'nt it great
Looking forward to our 29th All Ireland this year and the last three in 10,16.19 won with the new rules
Oh my God how did we manage that without any butchering? Must be something wrong!!
God love them

Premier28 (Tipperary) - Posts: 105 - 19/06/2023 11:09:56    2487177

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Replying To Premier28:  "Midlands
No point in arguing against bitterness and nonsensical comments from some posters on here, we know at this stage down through the years that everyone hates Tipp and by God don't we love it is'nt it great
Looking forward to our 29th All Ireland this year and the last three in 10,16.19 won with the new rules
Oh my God how did we manage that without any butchering? Must be something wrong!!
God love them"
Exactly! Tipp appeared in 7 out of 10 all Ireland finals between 1958 and 1968, and dominated the decade. Must be the 1960 beating that Tipperary dished out to Limerick that still bothers certain posters? 10-9 to 2-1 in 1960 Munster championship quarter final. Criticizing that great Tipp team does a disservice to hurling, history and to the poster!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 532 - 19/06/2023 11:21:13    2487188

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Replying To Premier28:  "an overall blip in the bigger scheme of things
You are looking at a small window instead of overall picture as those big three will dominate again shortly its only a matter of time"
I'm the first to say that hurling needs the big three (of course it's great to see other counties doing well),, but I doubt Cork will ever be a force like they were in hurling again,, the love of the game is there and as far as I know numbers are good in terms of kids playing but when push comes to shove, too much talent is being lost to soccer and rugby.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 19/06/2023 11:23:51    2487190

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Told ya all that Carlow v Dublin would have made better TV than Tipperary v Offaly.

Anybody still think that Carlow somehow fluked the Joe McDonagh?

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 864 - 19/06/2023 11:25:37    2487194

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Replying To Premier28:  "Tipp and Kilkenny have won 10 All Irelands between them from 2006-2019 so what do you mean by the big 3 not being a thing for years?"
Well that is two counties, who is the third?

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 801 - 19/06/2023 11:25:49    2487195

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I'm the first to say that hurling needs the big three (of course it's great to see other counties doing well),, but I doubt Cork will ever be a force like they were in hurling again,, the love of the game is there and as far as I know numbers are good in terms of kids playing but when push comes to shove, too much talent is being lost to soccer and rugby."
They have a huge pick though. No one would have thought Limerick would have been so dominant for such a period of time either so theres no reason that Cork cant dominate again in the coming decades.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 19/06/2023 11:54:13    2487225

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Well that is two counties, who is the third?"
In fairness if the op changes the date parameter from 2006-2019 to 2004-2019 it better illustrates his point as all three countries are represented.
However there hasn't been a big 3 for years. In the last 30 years Cork have won the same amount of titles as Clare (3) and Tipp the same amount as Limerick (4). KK under Cody got 12. It's more about great teams rather than great counties, KK were the greatest team ever but haven't won for 8 years now. Same will eventually happen with this currently Limerick team.

Frontier1000 (Cork) - Posts: 61 - 19/06/2023 11:56:21    2487226

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I'm the first to say that hurling needs the big three (of course it's great to see other counties doing well),, but I doubt Cork will ever be a force like they were in hurling again,, the love of the game is there and as far as I know numbers are good in terms of kids playing but when push comes to shove, too much talent is being lost to soccer and rugby."
It's an issue for sure as seen with Ben O Connor picking rugby. However it's somewhat overstated, Cork's underage system is thriving and it's only a matter of time until that translates to Senior.

Frontier1000 (Cork) - Posts: 61 - 19/06/2023 11:58:54    2487229

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Replying To CARPS:  "Told ya all that Carlow v Dublin would have made better TV than Tipperary v Offaly.

Anybody still think that Carlow somehow fluked the Joe McDonagh?"
I don't remember anyone saying that they did fluke it.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 19/06/2023 12:01:03    2487234

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I'm the first to say that hurling needs the big three (of course it's great to see other counties doing well),, but I doubt Cork will ever be a force like they were in hurling again,, the love of the game is there and as far as I know numbers are good in terms of kids playing but when push comes to shove, too much talent is being lost to soccer and rugby."
True
but hopefully Cork will be back they are improving and have a lot of very good players coming through

Premier28 (Tipperary) - Posts: 105 - 19/06/2023 12:05:32    2487237

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Well that is two counties, who is the third?"
Cork have 30 so they will always be in the big three
they are just experiencing what Tipp went through from 1971 to 1989 so they will be back its only a matter of time
other counties take half a century to win All Irelands and then when they win a few they think they are up there with the big 3 then they disappear for another 50 years or so and the big 3 dominate again

Premier28 (Tipperary) - Posts: 105 - 19/06/2023 12:07:57    2487241

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Replying To CARPS:  "Told ya all that Carlow v Dublin would have made better TV than Tipperary v Offaly.

Anybody still think that Carlow somehow fluked the Joe McDonagh?"
It was a good match. Wind was a big enough fact. Cleverly enough managed by Dublin in first half - despite some outrageous scores from distance by Carlow - and never looked like being pegged back after the first goal.

Job done and on to hopefully a credible performance against Clare. Dublin be now in same position as Carlow regarding chances. Carlow look well set up to make a go of it in championship next year. Not having been promoted in league might even prove to be a bonus in same way as it contributed to focus on McDonagh.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3547 - 19/06/2023 12:08:20    2487242

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "Exactly! Tipp appeared in 7 out of 10 all Ireland finals between 1958 and 1968, and dominated the decade. Must be the 1960 beating that Tipperary dished out to Limerick that still bothers certain posters? 10-9 to 2-1 in 1960 Munster championship quarter final. Criticizing that great Tipp team does a disservice to hurling, history and to the poster!"
Well Tipp conceded 8 goal and 2 points and scored Zilch in the first half in 1959 to Waterford and they were reigning All Ireland and ended up been beaten by seventeen points. In 1960 Wexford brought three men who had played inter county for a few years and beat Tipp double scores.
The fact is there there was SFA in Munster, apart from Waterford, in the sixties, Galway were abysmal and there is no way a team that conceded nine goals in a sixty minute Championship can be even considered as the greatest team ever.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4495 - 19/06/2023 12:10:37    2487243

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