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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Shane O Donnell is probably the most fouled hurler in Ireland and sometimes cant buy a free. To suggest the way he plays the game hints of any sort of cheating says more about your understanding of the game than anything else.
That lad, takes timber every match and never whines but simply gets on with it and continues to produce the goods for Clare. Unlike Hegarty who some lads here would want to believe that he is "broken" because of the media reporting on him. hahahahaha" I think O'Donnell does buy frees though but it's not cheating. Dan MV does very similar and they certainly know how to draw a free but there's nothing wrong with that.
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Limerick v Cork will be some occasion this weekend. Huge crowd. Massively knowledgeable hurling people and the atmosphere will be electric with no animosity bar competitive humour.
I always love this match up. I think Cork will be coming in confident of an upset. They have great pace and are sticking in games all year. They opened up clare time and again and showed serious deficiencies in the back line and on another day Might have stretched away more in the first half. They dipped in the second quarter which they've done in most matches all year but still got right back into the match and could have easily won that match which could have been fatal for clare. Small margins
Limerick are not firing on all cylinders no doubt but still could easily have 3 wins on the board on another year. They know themselves that their fluidity isn't quite what it can be and some players need to find that bit of form which I've no doubt they will. This Limerick team are made of the right stuff . They are one win away from the objective.. Get out of munster. If they do they are by far the best prepared squad to push on into the AI series after seriously attritional munster championships as they've proved in recent years unlike other munster countys who seem to be unable to sustain over the necessary 6/7 matches. They could easily be knocked out this Sunday though as this will be like an AI final to Cork. Pat Ryan like Cahill has done a very good job in year 1.
My feeling is that Limerick will begin to improve their execution which cost them the win v clare in particular. The fluidity is not there yet but that's also down to the energy and work rate of the opposition
If Limerick win Sunday. Watch out.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1126 - 23/05/2023 11:06:47
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Lets get this straight if ye want to go down this line, Hegarty (as Hegarty does) was loose with his hurley against Fitzgerald and Fitzgerald wrongly took advantage of his. Fitz was a disgrace granted. But Limerick lads are quick to forget Diarmiud Byrnes in 2018 in Ennis when a gust of air made him hit the ground resulting in David Reidy and his own team mate Tom Condon being sent off.
Watch the match again yesterday especially 73.40 on the clock and low and behold Byrnes is at it again with his own rendition of swan lake and the nutcracker to try and buy a free to win the match that the ref didnt buy. Neymar would have been proud of the attempt.
Dont try and vilify another team like this. You would want your own house to be in top order before you do so." Have a read of john fogartys article in today's examiner. Clare are a fine team but AIs aren't won by a team thats consistently trying to con the ref. Its been evident for a couple of years now. For me it shows a sign of internal weakness. Just my opinion.
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Shane O Donnell is probably the most fouled hurler in Ireland and sometimes cant buy a free. To suggest the way he plays the game hints of any sort of cheating says more about your understanding of the game than anything else.
That lad, takes timber every match and never whines but simply gets on with it and continues to produce the goods for Clare. Unlike Hegarty who some lads here would want to believe that he is "broken" because of the media reporting on him. hahahahaha" Yes, of course it could effect him, it may not be the cause of the slump in form but in any case its just not right, You get rattled by someone criticising one of the Clare players. Imagine having your name plastered over all the newspapers and mentioned in every podcast, opposing fans ready to pounce on you if you make an aggressive tackle, getting branded as a certain type of player by some of the pundits who have done far worse with far less attention of their careers, getting man handled by your opponent knowing if you come back with the same you will be in trouble, watching others do the same as you and not a word about it, social media branding you as this and that ( i am not going to quote some of the things written). Yes i do think its an issue and you can keep your "hahahas" to yourself. Ye've had some great hard men and heros in Clare over the years like Ollie Baker, Brian Lohan and Colin Lynch and they were never subjected to anything like what Hegarty has to put up with.
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Replying To daveboy: "Limerick v Cork will be some occasion this weekend. Huge crowd. Massively knowledgeable hurling people and the atmosphere will be electric with no animosity bar competitive humour.
I always love this match up. I think Cork will be coming in confident of an upset. They have great pace and are sticking in games all year. They opened up clare time and again and showed serious deficiencies in the back line and on another day Might have stretched away more in the first half. They dipped in the second quarter which they've done in most matches all year but still got right back into the match and could have easily won that match which could have been fatal for clare. Small margins
Limerick are not firing on all cylinders no doubt but still could easily have 3 wins on the board on another year. They know themselves that their fluidity isn't quite what it can be and some players need to find that bit of form which I've no doubt they will. This Limerick team are made of the right stuff . They are one win away from the objective.. Get out of munster. If they do they are by far the best prepared squad to push on into the AI series after seriously attritional munster championships as they've proved in recent years unlike other munster countys who seem to be unable to sustain over the necessary 6/7 matches. They could easily be knocked out this Sunday though as this will be like an AI final to Cork. Pat Ryan like Cahill has done a very good job in year 1.
My feeling is that Limerick will begin to improve their execution which cost them the win v clare in particular. The fluidity is not there yet but that's also down to the energy and work rate of the opposition
If Limerick win Sunday. Watch out." I've been suggesting for the last few years that teams need to stop letting Nash have the ball particularly in the 4 position. It always baffled me that all teams played 2 inside but they played them at 14 and 15 and left Nash entirely free. Tipp done exactly that a couple of years ago in the Munster final. They proceed then to give the likes of Hannon and Nash space which murdered teams. A lot of what I can see going on this year is that all teams are now pushing up high and almost man marking those two to an extent while also trying to exploit the fact that Byrnes (in particular) and Hayes spend almost all their time in their own area regardless of where their marker is. The fact Hannon and Nash aren't as available for as much ball is having an affect then on the other two.
In Tipps case tho a big factor is that they have both put on a lot of size this year and are a lot fitter. I think Limerick won't change much but might just tweak a few things. I think Lynch could be key to that and he won't play at 11 again this year. He could move to midfield but I've a feeling go in as a floating corner forward which would cause havoc.
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I watched both Clare v Cork and Tipp v Limerick again last night on the player.
I think Tipperary were the most impressive team this weekend. Their work rate, hooking and blocking was exceptional, there forwards were sharp and most of all they didn't wilt when the Limerick machine went up a gear in the second half says a lot about their mentality this year. They will cause Clare some problems in the Munster Final which could be another classic in waiting.
Clare went about their business very efficiently and while Tony Kelly gets most of the plaudits (he is class act) and the Clare forward 6 look sharp, David Fitzgerald in the engine room is becoming their most important player. My only concern would be the backs, where Cork created a lot of two on two scenarios when they ran at them. Conor Cleary went off and unfortunately it looked bad so that will be a concern for them before the Munster final.
Cork look fitter this year and seem to finish games better than last year. They seem to play a different kind of Game to Clare, Limerick and Tipperary. They move the ball with such craft, guile and Pace and when it's it's in full swing it can be devastating and impossible to defend against. However the work rate of their starting forwards in closing space and defence when compared to say Clare or Tipperary could be questionable at times which allows other teams to hurt them. When Shane Kingston and Shane Barrett came on this had a huge effect in this regard.
Limerick didn't really get to up the pace that Tipperary brought until half time. Their tempo definitely improved in the second half. There are however still some loose passes being played and when your up against teams with the hunger of Clare and Tipp they will make you pay. The long puck-out's and high dropping cross field passes to Cian Lynch are not working. If Limerick are going to play Cian against Cork I think he needs to be the second man fighting for the breaking ball on the ground rather than the target for the high dropping ball. Conlan and O'Mara have lorded it over Lynch in this area overt the last few weeks and I'm sure Joyce has taken note for Sunday.
If Limerick can bring more of what they brought in the second half against Tipp they can beat Cork however if Cork get going with there passing game (and with out Sean Finn to read the play) they could get goals which could swing the game in their favour
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What a day Sunday shall be!
Five games each with its own massive implications for all involved. Only a pity that we can't see each of them.
If things go reasonably well for our own fellas I can see myself and a few others skipping the football and heading for one of the screens in Meaghers or McGraths!
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I'd be worried that cork are creating plenty goal chances very early and if they take them it could be a bad day for Limerick..very interesting match up could be Hayes/Dalton,two hugely physical men..Hannon/fitzgibbon,Fitz looks lethal in full flight and will trouble hannon with mobility..if hego starts,I'd expect mellerick to be on him..not sure does Cian start centre or cahal on Joyce,an upper hand here will be huge for either county..gillane/o Donahue they have had huge battles with the cork man probably having upper hand over all..midfield is where Limerick might have the upper hand..can't see O'Connell on Tom.at the other end.who picks up hoggie with Finn missing,I'd nearly chance Richie..harnedy and Kingston I'm expecting to start,Barry on Kingston hopefully match him for pace and get more chance to deliver ball to inside line..won't be surprised if Barrett or cahalane are marking diarmaid in the hope that their pace will be a problem..the battle of Flanagan/cahalane is possibly the one to look forward to..so much to happen and can't wait,not to gone on choice of ref..
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Replying To daveboy: "Limerick v Cork will be some occasion this weekend. Huge crowd. Massively knowledgeable hurling people and the atmosphere will be electric with no animosity bar competitive humour.
I always love this match up. I think Cork will be coming in confident of an upset. They have great pace and are sticking in games all year. They opened up clare time and again and showed serious deficiencies in the back line and on another day Might have stretched away more in the first half. They dipped in the second quarter which they've done in most matches all year but still got right back into the match and could have easily won that match which could have been fatal for clare. Small margins
Limerick are not firing on all cylinders no doubt but still could easily have 3 wins on the board on another year. They know themselves that their fluidity isn't quite what it can be and some players need to find that bit of form which I've no doubt they will. This Limerick team are made of the right stuff . They are one win away from the objective.. Get out of munster. If they do they are by far the best prepared squad to push on into the AI series after seriously attritional munster championships as they've proved in recent years unlike other munster countys who seem to be unable to sustain over the necessary 6/7 matches. They could easily be knocked out this Sunday though as this will be like an AI final to Cork. Pat Ryan like Cahill has done a very good job in year 1.
My feeling is that Limerick will begin to improve their execution which cost them the win v clare in particular. The fluidity is not there yet but that's also down to the energy and work rate of the opposition
If Limerick win Sunday. Watch out." 'Massively knowledgeable hurling people'.......the entire crowd is it? Is there some sort of hurling aptitude test you have to get 100% on, in order to qualify to buy a ticket for this?
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "'Massively knowledgeable hurling people'.......the entire crowd is it? Is there some sort of hurling aptitude test you have to get 100% on, in order to qualify to buy a ticket for this?" It'll be a great day for the neutral. So buy a ticket take a spin and enjoy.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1126 - 24/05/2023 22:37:21
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "'Massively knowledgeable hurling people'.......the entire crowd is it? Is there some sort of hurling aptitude test you have to get 100% on, in order to qualify to buy a ticket for this?" The passing grade is only set at 50% for Galway people. We have to try and promote the game west of the Shannon after all. Give it a shot! Being the infallible pope that you deem yourself to be, you'll surely be able to muster at least a passing grade!
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Replying To daveboy: "It'll be a great day for the neutral. So buy a ticket take a spin and enjoy." Yes indeed Dave. Over the years and as last Sunday I have met Northern People on Thurles on Munster Championship Day. It really has an appeal all of its own. As Munster Hurling People we are indeed privalaged to have the Jewel in the Crown.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 25/05/2023 08:05:03
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Replying To CTGAA10: "I'd be worried that cork are creating plenty goal chances very early and if they take them it could be a bad day for Limerick..very interesting match up could be Hayes/Dalton,two hugely physical men..Hannon/fitzgibbon,Fitz looks lethal in full flight and will trouble hannon with mobility..if hego starts,I'd expect mellerick to be on him..not sure does Cian start centre or cahal on Joyce,an upper hand here will be huge for either county..gillane/o Donahue they have had huge battles with the cork man probably having upper hand over all..midfield is where Limerick might have the upper hand..can't see O'Connell on Tom.at the other end.who picks up hoggie with Finn missing,I'd nearly chance Richie..harnedy and Kingston I'm expecting to start,Barry on Kingston hopefully match him for pace and get more chance to deliver ball to inside line..won't be surprised if Barrett or cahalane are marking diarmaid in the hope that their pace will be a problem..the battle of Flanagan/cahalane is possibly the one to look forward to..so much to happen and can't wait,not to gone on choice of ref.." Had a look back last night at the Cork and Clare game and theres still so many of the same old failings with Cork. Their forwards dont work anywhere near as hard as most of the other counties. So many times they just stood up and watched Clare lads coming out with the ball which you def cant do against Limerick. Having watched that again I really cant see Limerick not beating them unless they can use the ball exceptionally well and score a few goals. Limerick by 4-5 for me
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Shane O Donnell is probably the most fouled hurler in Ireland and sometimes cant buy a free. To suggest the way he plays the game hints of any sort of cheating says more about your understanding of the game than anything else.
That lad, takes timber every match and never whines but simply gets on with it and continues to produce the goods for Clare. Unlike Hegarty who some lads here would want to believe that he is "broken" because of the media reporting on him. hahahahaha" In fairness Hegarty gets alot more attention, Ive seen it live a few times live, they basically just wrestle him before the ball comes but because of his size he does not get the frees. I know he is no angel but by the 20 minute v tipp he was on his 3 helmet according to Shane McGrath. O donnel does draw frees by raising his hurl arm, and by doing so moves the tackling hurl hand of his opponent up around the neck! He is still a wonderful feet and is very effective.
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Replying To tiobraid: "Had a look back last night at the Cork and Clare game and theres still so many of the same old failings with Cork. Their forwards dont work anywhere near as hard as most of the other counties. So many times they just stood up and watched Clare lads coming out with the ball which you def cant do against Limerick. Having watched that again I really cant see Limerick not beating them unless they can use the ball exceptionally well and score a few goals. Limerick by 4-5 for me" Yes. I noticed that myself. On one occasion O'Donnell had won a ball around the middle and was basically allowed a free shot.
Having said that, all teams other than peak Cats and Limerick have that occasional failing. What we are seeing this year is either Limerick coming back to the pack after six hard years on the road, or others including Tipp upping their levels of fitness and aggression. Tipp too could be faulted for allowing Clare and Cork the same leeway at times.
Cork have obviously upped their game too, and while they may not be the finished article, they are getting there - perhaps a bit late for Hoggie and others - and have shown huge fight in games against both Tipp and Clare when in other years you'd have put the house on them folding.
I expect they'll put it up to Limerick on Sunday and that Limerick will need to be back to close to their absolute best to win this,
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Replying To ecad123: "In fairness Hegarty gets alot more attention, Ive seen it live a few times live, they basically just wrestle him before the ball comes but because of his size he does not get the frees. I know he is no angel but by the 20 minute v tipp he was on his 3 helmet according to Shane McGrath. O donnel does draw frees by raising his hurl arm, and by doing so moves the tackling hurl hand of his opponent up around the neck! He is still a wonderful feet and is very effective." Every time I see Shane O'Donnell raising his arms I think he is going to charge and yet win a free in.
I don't think refs are tight enough on charging, bow down and charge forward wins more frees than any other in hurling and they are almost all charging.
You would know I played in the full back line
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Replying To tiobraid: "Had a look back last night at the Cork and Clare game and theres still so many of the same old failings with Cork. Their forwards dont work anywhere near as hard as most of the other counties. So many times they just stood up and watched Clare lads coming out with the ball which you def cant do against Limerick. Having watched that again I really cant see Limerick not beating them unless they can use the ball exceptionally well and score a few goals. Limerick by 4-5 for me" Agree Tiobraid. From a stat perspective, of the 33 balls that went into the forward line, we managed to only win 9, and once that ball was lost, some of the forwards seemed to give up, which allowed the Clare backs all the freedom needed to cause damage. Conversely, this makes the achievement of turning over an 8 point deficit even more remarkable.
For us to have any chance of overcoming Limerick, we need to at least be winning 60 or 70 percent of those balls.
I think we will see changes in the forward line, and would fully expect Kingston and Barrett to start. I'd say Tommy O'Connell may struggle to keep his place, and would expect Tim O'Mahony to come in at 5.
This is last chance saloon, and there are no more bites of the cherry, so I'm expecting a massive effort from the rebels on Sunday. Should be a cracker...
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Shane O Donnell is probably the most fouled hurler in Ireland and sometimes cant buy a free. To suggest the way he plays the game hints of any sort of cheating says more about your understanding of the game than anything else.
That lad, takes timber every match and never whines but simply gets on with it and continues to produce the goods for Clare. Unlike Hegarty who some lads here would want to believe that he is "broken" because of the media reporting on him. hahahahaha" He's smart though LRH :-)
He normally picks up the ball in 5 yards of space usually on the run. By the time he's on his 4th step he has played the ball, so hasn't fouled it. By the time contact arrives both hands are over his head, so how do you get the ball off him and how do you tackle him? Most players try to wrap him up. So Clare fans think he's being fouled, other fans think he's overcarrying.
I just think he's smart about how he receives the ball and if he were on my team I'd want him to keep doing this and draw fouls or break free for scores. His work rate against us was brilliant - he snapped a number of balls in the heat of tackles and was gone, very quick over the first 5 steps. I think he's playing a lot better under Lohan these days. I was at the 2017 & 2018 Munster finals and all he was doing was chasing after Cork corner backs, hurley over his shoulder, when they received the short puck out.
Summary - not a cheat, smart in possession & tackle but I can see both sides of the debate on him. Great lad to have in your team.
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He normally picks up the ball in 5 yards of space usually on the run. By the time he's on his 4th step he has played the ball, so hasn't fouled it. By the time contact arrives both hands are over his head, so how do you get the ball off him and how do you tackle him? Most players try to wrap him up. So Clare fans think he's being fouled, other fans think he's overcarrying.
I just think he's smart about how he receives the ball and if he were on my team I'd want him to keep doing this and draw fouls or break free for scores. His work rate against us was brilliant - he snapped a number of balls in the heat of tackles and was gone, very quick over the first 5 steps. I think he's playing a lot better under Lohan these days. I was at the 2017 & 2018 Munster finals and all he was doing was chasing after Cork corner backs, hurley over his shoulder, when they received the short puck out.
Summary - not a cheat, smart in possession & tackle but I can see both sides of the debate on him. Great lad to have in your team." Thank you for that Slayer I cant believe really why Shane is being touted by some as some form of cheat looking for frees, he rarely gets a free gets a fair share of attention from the backs unfortunately like a lot of good forwards.
He sustained a very serious injury in training was hardly able to hold a spoon for several months, his neither a cheat or a moan a beautiful hurler to watch punched above his weight in the air.
Have posters nothing to do than dwell on this can they not enjoy the great hurlers/hurling we are privileged to watch instead of nit picking on likes of Ger Hegarthy accept that he has a bit of devil but one of best hurlers of his generation maybe all time.
Hurling will be over before we know it it will be dreary summer when its all done
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