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Its quite unbelievable that the Limerick team named to start is the exact same team that started the 2021 All Ireland final, 14 of the team that started in 2020 and 12 that started in 2018. Their squad has most definitely improved every year but it just shows the level every single one of these are at - you'd imagine a few would have slipped a little at this stage. Tough on anyone trying to break into the team. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 21/04/2023 11:33:32 2472128 Link 0 |
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I agree with you entirely don't let them dictate terms push up on them mark whose nearest to you whatever make them go long fight for puckout and most of all move it out of the middle 3rd as soon as possible play the wings. Waterford on there day can be a swashbuckling team so please don't overburden them with tactics and we might have a classic in the open spaces of Thurles. Hopefully a feast of hurling this weekend clooney (Clare) - Posts: 1009 - 21/04/2023 11:37:29 2472133 Link 0 |
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100%. If any of the Munster teams go out with that attitude then they wont go anywhere. All the other 4 managers are arrogant and thick enough to think they can beat Limerick so I dont see this happening. Not showing your hand in the first round? No chance - that kind of BS is gone since the league finished tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 21/04/2023 11:40:47 2472134 Link 0 |
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I've gone for Dublin over Antrim in the prediction competition but looking at their starting 15 theres a number of names not there that really gives Antrim a huge chance in this one. I'd change my prediction if I could but I'll be certainly throwing Antrim into my accumulator this weekend along with Limerick (U20), Laois and Westemath (+18) and Wexford +6) tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 21/04/2023 11:48:50 2472135 Link 0 |
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I agree with you entirely don't let them dictate terms push up on them mark whose nearest to you whatever make them go long fight for puckout and most of all move it out of the middle 3rd as soon as possible play the wings. Waterford on there day can be a swashbuckling team so please don't overburden them with tactics and we might have a classic in the open spaces of Thurles. Hopefully a feast of hurling this weekend clooney (Clare) - Posts: 1009 - 21/04/2023 11:50:04 2472136 Link 0 |
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I'm not saying his tricks are always great. Or that he will pick a weaker team. He will go with his strongest team and try to win the game. Its what he did when he was down here too. Even in Walsh Cup games. I'm just saying he will have a few different little ideas, that may or may not be effective in a real game, that he won't use on Sunday.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20668 - 21/04/2023 12:25:15 2472150 Link 0 |
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Their age profile is only now coming into their peak for the vast majority of that team. There were at least 3 calls that were extremely close I've been told. Kiely has gone with an extremely strong team that have a huge knowledge of playing with each other.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1198 - 21/04/2023 14:30:51 2472220 Link 0 |
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Thats their strongest team Tiobraid. Some would argue some of those lads should've been on the Dublin team before this year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20668 - 21/04/2023 15:02:47 2472233 Link 0 |
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All I am saying it would be ludicrous to play any player with a slight injury because of the games coming fast. Your probably not going to beat Limerick with any selection of the 25 panel but can do serious damage of beating anyone else. That does not mean you are not going to try with whoever goes out. Davy is not the messiah or a tablet of miracles up his sleeve but just another mercenary passing through. It is up to the players if good enough to stand up. Unfortunately we have some great players but not enough. Not against this Limerick team anyway. Maybe in an other era we would get across the line. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3249 - 21/04/2023 15:15:03 2472238 Link 0 |
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Davy has kind of showed his hand by the selection. Not the way I thought this would be played. None of the two young Fitzgeralds starting, Patrick or Paudie. One think for sure the forwards are not going to play as named. Maybe Bennett. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3249 - 21/04/2023 15:25:07 2472241 Link 0 |
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Exactly. A big part of it is the age profile of the team. The 2018 winners were a very young team in the main, many of whom are only in their supposed prime years now. 2018 wasn't a team that had been knocking on the door for years before finally getting over the line. It was a fresh young team, aside from a few older heads. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 3053 - 21/04/2023 16:12:56 2472256 Link 0 |
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I thought the Limerick game last year took too much out of Waterford. They were determined to knock them off their pedestals, put it up to them really well but fell short. It was their best championship performance and it was all downhill after that. I think it militated against them in the other games....had they put as much focus on the Tipp, Clare, and Cork games I think they may have won 2 of them and qualified in the top 3
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2153 - 21/04/2023 16:56:09 2472261 Link 0 |
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That's a formidable Limerick line-out for Sunday. Even the subs bench looks a bit scary for any opposition. It's hard to see Limerick lose but if Waterford play as they are capable of, and are not constrained by any silly tactics, we could have a cracker of a game. The game in Ennis is more difficult to call. Despite their disappointing league campaign, I think Clare could have a big say in this year's championship. They might not have reached their peak by Sunday but even if they lose I would expect them to improve from game to game and to get out of Munster. Tipp had a decent league but they will find it very difficult to win on Sunday. If they lose it's hard to see them qualifying, as I don't think they would have the same scope for improvement as Clare. midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 649 - 21/04/2023 16:59:43 2472262 Link 0 |
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They were poor against Cork and absolutely terrible against Clares 2nd 15. Management has a lot to answer for for that.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20668 - 22/04/2023 09:00:11 2472321 Link 0 |
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And that's why Im saying they tried too hard against Limerick and should have focused more and kept something back for the Cork, Tipp, and Clare games. It was foolhardy last year to go all out to beat Limerick in Munster because last year (just like this year), there is only a possibility of beating Limerick once and if you are going to beat them you want it to be in a knock out game.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2153 - 22/04/2023 11:27:08 2472348 Link 0 |
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How can you try too hard in a championship match of hurling? I just have no idea what that means. Waterford didn't collapse because they performed hugely well in the Gaelic Grounds last year. They collapsed because there was clearly a spilt between the players and management. It was internal so we wouldn't know what exactly happened. The performance in ennis had nothing to do with the effort in Limerick weeks before. That was a collective lack of cohesion and desire that had clearly surfaced within the group.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1198 - 22/04/2023 11:36:19 2472351 Link 1 |
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That's nonsense. The Clare game was 4 weeks after the Limerick game.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20668 - 22/04/2023 12:42:50 2472367 Link 0 |
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Certainly you cannot ever try too hard in a KNOCK OUT CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH but the bit you're not taking into account is that the provincial championships are now a LEAGUE and sometimes it can pay to pace yourself and target the matches that are MUST WIN ones!
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2153 - 22/04/2023 12:54:16 2472375 Link 1 |
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Munster teams dont have the same luxury as leinster countys in that regard. It's knockout esp 1st 2 rounds of round Robin . You don't pick and choose
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1198 - 22/04/2023 14:35:04 2472399 Link 0 |
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Nah, it's not a question of luxury...it's about being smart! I'll put it this way.....is there any team in Munster capable of beating Limerick TWICE in this year's championship? I don't think so (and I dont think there's many who would think that!). The most important thing for Waterford is to avoid a hammering. It's not at all a question of throwing in the towel , but if the game is going against them not to fret over it. After that they can move onto their must-win games against the other Munster teams, which will be must-win games for their opponents too.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2153 - 22/04/2023 15:10:53 2472409 Link 0 |