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I like a rainy Clones, it reminds me of my childhood.
It will be good to see Derry wear the white jersey for a change although I remember in 2005 they wore the red jersey against Armagh.

PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 220 - 30/04/2023 18:02:15    2474758

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If im not mistaken there is a slight anomaly in tuesdays draw. Unless munster and connacht champs / runners up are paired some of the leinster and ulster finalists may end up playing game 2 a week after game 1 against opponents who have had a 2 week break.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 839 - 01/05/2023 14:43:21    2474909

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Round robin draws for Tailteann and All Ireland streaming on YouTube.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 02/05/2023 13:00:34    2475017

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Sam Maguire SFC groups

Group 1: Clare/Kerry winner, Dublin/Louth loser, Mayo, Cork

Group 2: Galway/Sligo winner, Armagh/Derry loser, Tyrone, Westmeath

Group 3: Dublin/Louth winner, Galway/Sligo loser, Roscommon, Kildare

Group 4: Armagh/Derry winner, Clare/Kerry loser, Monaghan, Donegal

Kerry are away to Cork. Kildare will host Dublin in Round 2!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7818 - 02/05/2023 13:51:03    2475064

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My excitement levels are about a 3 on the back of this, more utterly pointless games piled on top of others.

Monaghan v Clare
Sligo v Kildare
Galway v Westmeath

dolfos (Longford) - Posts: 109 - 02/05/2023 15:50:13    2475155

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Replying To dolfos:  "My excitement levels are about a 3 on the back of this, more utterly pointless games piled on top of others.

Monaghan v Clare
Sligo v Kildare
Galway v Westmeath"
None of which are anything to do with you!

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1392 - 02/05/2023 16:04:38    2475159

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Group 2 is likely to be the toughest

points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 02/05/2023 16:12:11    2475164

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Having 3 qualify from a group of 4 is a joke, a bit like children's sports day where everyone gets a medal.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 273 - 02/05/2023 16:27:24    2475168

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Sam Maguire SFC groups

Group 1: Clare/Kerry winner, Dublin/Louth loser, Mayo, Cork

Group 2: Galway/Sligo winner, Armagh/Derry loser, Tyrone, Westmeath

Group 3: Dublin/Louth winner, Galway/Sligo loser, Roscommon, Kildare

Group 4: Armagh/Derry winner, Clare/Kerry loser, Monaghan, Donegal

Kerry are away to Cork. Kildare will host Dublin in Round 2!"
GRMA legend

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 503 - 02/05/2023 17:02:10    2475188

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Derry owe Donegal another beating. They beat Derry around 9 times in 19 years.

PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 220 - 02/05/2023 17:06:22    2475192

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Where will Kildare's home game v Dublin (assuming Dublin beat Louth) be played? Newbridge is under reconstruction. Will Kildare have the option of choosing Portlaoise or Tullamore?

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 02/05/2023 17:35:07    2475205

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "Having 3 qualify from a group of 4 is a joke, a bit like children's sports day where everyone gets a medal."
Their goal was to try to give every team something to play for. Assuming that Louth are in a group with Kerry, Mayo and Cork, which is very possible after this weekend.
Even if both Louth and Cork lose both their games against Kerry and Mayo, the game between themselves will still matter.
The balance between having some jeopardy but also trying to avoid dead rubbers isn't any easy one. I'd have gone for 2 from 4 myself by the way.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2033 - 02/05/2023 18:23:29    2475228

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How many go though? I see Tyrone are away to Galway/Sligo first. Are they home or neutral the next day out?

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 02/05/2023 18:29:09    2475230

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I find it strange they couldn't wait till after the provincial finals to make the draws, then again brains seem to be in short supply in the GAA at times.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2737 - 02/05/2023 20:16:21    2475251

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "Having 3 qualify from a group of 4 is a joke, a bit like children's sports day where everyone gets a medal."
If you have just two then you'll have the same problem as the super 8s with dead rubbers in round 3.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3336 - 02/05/2023 20:33:07    2475254

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "How many go though? I see Tyrone are away to Galway/Sligo first. Are they home or neutral the next day out?"
Home.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 02/05/2023 23:32:13    2475288

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "If you have just two then you'll have the same problem as the super 8s with dead rubbers in round 3."
The solution there was a flexible schedule for two qualifying from a group. The two R1 winners should play in R2. Unless in the event of draws, it will mean two teams on 1 win each seeking qualification in R3.
R1: Dublin beat Roscommon. Kildare beat Sligo.
R2: Dublin beat Kildare. Roscommon beat Sligo
R3: Roscommon v Kildare for second place. Dublin v Sligo is a dead rubber but as both final round games throw-in at the same time, all media can focus on the Roscommon v Kildare shootout.

High risk of Sligo and Clare being eliminated after Round 2, despite 3 qualifying from a group:
R1: Dublin beat Roscommon. Kildare beat Sligo.
R2: Dublin beat Kildare. Roscommon beat Sligo
Dublin 4 points. Dublin group winners.
Kildare 2 points
Roscommon 2 points
Sligo 0 points. Sligo eliminated.
R3: Roscommon v Kildare is for home advantage. Enough of an incentive?

R1: Derry/Armagh beat Monaghan. Donegal beat Clare.
R2: Derry/Armagh beat Donegal. Monaghan beat Clare
Derry/Armagh 4 points. Derry/Armagh group winners.
Donegal 2 points
Monaghan 2 points
Clare 0 points. Clare eliminated.
R3: Monaghan v Donegal is for home advantage. Enough of an incentive?

The flaw in the current structure:
A low ranked league county as provincial runners-up and Seed 2 increases the risk of dead rubbers in R3. Let's take a look at Westmeath's group where Westmeath are a low ranked league team and Seed 4:

R1: Galway beat Tyrone. Derry/Armagh beat Westmeath.
R2: Galway beat Westmeath. Derry/Armagh beat Tyrone
Galway 4 points.
Derry/Armagh 4 points
Tyrone 0 points
Westmeath 0 points.
R3: Galway v Derry/Armagh is a playoff to win the group and qualify for the quarter-finals.
Tyrone v Westmeath is an elimination playoff.

Summary:
Dead rubbers are more likely avoided when low ranked league provincial runners-up are Seed 4. Is Sligo's soft route to a Connacht final sufficient to be seeded above Mayo, Roscommon and Tyrone?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7818 - 03/05/2023 10:05:42    2475326

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The solution there was a flexible schedule for two qualifying from a group. The two R1 winners should play in R2. Unless in the event of draws, it will mean two teams on 1 win each seeking qualification in R3.
R1: Dublin beat Roscommon. Kildare beat Sligo.
R2: Dublin beat Kildare. Roscommon beat Sligo
R3: Roscommon v Kildare for second place. Dublin v Sligo is a dead rubber but as both final round games throw-in at the same time, all media can focus on the Roscommon v Kildare shootout.

High risk of Sligo and Clare being eliminated after Round 2, despite 3 qualifying from a group:
R1: Dublin beat Roscommon. Kildare beat Sligo.
R2: Dublin beat Kildare. Roscommon beat Sligo
Dublin 4 points. Dublin group winners.
Kildare 2 points
Roscommon 2 points
Sligo 0 points. Sligo eliminated.
R3: Roscommon v Kildare is for home advantage. Enough of an incentive?

R1: Derry/Armagh beat Monaghan. Donegal beat Clare.
R2: Derry/Armagh beat Donegal. Monaghan beat Clare
Derry/Armagh 4 points. Derry/Armagh group winners.
Donegal 2 points
Monaghan 2 points
Clare 0 points. Clare eliminated.
R3: Monaghan v Donegal is for home advantage. Enough of an incentive?

The flaw in the current structure:
A low ranked league county as provincial runners-up and Seed 2 increases the risk of dead rubbers in R3. Let's take a look at Westmeath's group where Westmeath are a low ranked league team and Seed 4:

R1: Galway beat Tyrone. Derry/Armagh beat Westmeath.
R2: Galway beat Westmeath. Derry/Armagh beat Tyrone
Galway 4 points.
Derry/Armagh 4 points
Tyrone 0 points
Westmeath 0 points.
R3: Galway v Derry/Armagh is a playoff to win the group and qualify for the quarter-finals.
Tyrone v Westmeath is an elimination playoff.

Summary:
Dead rubbers are more likely avoided when low ranked league provincial runners-up are Seed 4. Is Sligo's soft route to a Connacht final sufficient to be seeded above Mayo, Roscommon and Tyrone?"
Would it be easier for your GAA life if Sligo didn't exist ? We play the games we are asked to play. Sligo team are progressing nicely and won't be playing their games on a keyboard. Let's hope Galway put in a decent performance on Sunday and keep it competitive

thedreamer (Sligo) - Posts: 52 - 03/05/2023 10:22:26    2475331

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Wouldn't write off Monaghan and Clare in R1 matches or indeed Tyrone in both R1 and R2 .. let's see how matches play out. Looking forward to it

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 503 - 03/05/2023 11:29:39    2475359

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Replying To thedreamer:  "
Replying To legendzxix:  "The solution there was a flexible schedule for two qualifying from a group. The two R1 winners should play in R2. Unless in the event of draws, it will mean two teams on 1 win each seeking qualification in R3.
R1: Dublin beat Roscommon. Kildare beat Sligo.
R2: Dublin beat Kildare. Roscommon beat Sligo
R3: Roscommon v Kildare for second place. Dublin v Sligo is a dead rubber but as both final round games throw-in at the same time, all media can focus on the Roscommon v Kildare shootout.

High risk of Sligo and Clare being eliminated after Round 2, despite 3 qualifying from a group:
R1: Dublin beat Roscommon. Kildare beat Sligo.
R2: Dublin beat Kildare. Roscommon beat Sligo
Dublin 4 points. Dublin group winners.
Kildare 2 points
Roscommon 2 points
Sligo 0 points. Sligo eliminated.
R3: Roscommon v Kildare is for home advantage. Enough of an incentive?

R1: Derry/Armagh beat Monaghan. Donegal beat Clare.
R2: Derry/Armagh beat Donegal. Monaghan beat Clare
Derry/Armagh 4 points. Derry/Armagh group winners.
Donegal 2 points
Monaghan 2 points
Clare 0 points. Clare eliminated.
R3: Monaghan v Donegal is for home advantage. Enough of an incentive?

The flaw in the current structure:
A low ranked league county as provincial runners-up and Seed 2 increases the risk of dead rubbers in R3. Let's take a look at Westmeath's group where Westmeath are a low ranked league team and Seed 4:

R1: Galway beat Tyrone. Derry/Armagh beat Westmeath.
R2: Galway beat Westmeath. Derry/Armagh beat Tyrone
Galway 4 points.
Derry/Armagh 4 points
Tyrone 0 points
Westmeath 0 points.
R3: Galway v Derry/Armagh is a playoff to win the group and qualify for the quarter-finals.
Tyrone v Westmeath is an elimination playoff.

Summary:
Dead rubbers are more likely avoided when low ranked league provincial runners-up are Seed 4. Is Sligo's soft route to a Connacht final sufficient to be seeded above Mayo, Roscommon and Tyrone?"
Would it be easier for your GAA life if Sligo didn't exist ? We play the games we are asked to play. Sligo team are progressing nicely and won't be playing their games on a keyboard. Let's hope Galway put in a decent performance on Sunday and keep it competitive"
Westmeath have the respect of the country for winning the Tailteann. Cavan and Tipperary had the respect of the country for provincial success. Beating London and New York to qualify for the All-Ireland series does not have the respect of the country. Should provincial winners only qualify?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7818 - 03/05/2023 12:02:42    2475369

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