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I went into the kildare vs wicklow game today as poor a game as I've seen in a long time, kildare only really going through the motions awaiting their hammering next week. Wicklow really poor. Meath are at a low ebb I think the TC might be the best place for them, a chance to rebuild where they can still be competitive Louth are flying, 9 points down and won, should be a decent game with them and offaly next week with a big prize on offer. Armagh were brilliant in the first half last night but as in the league the faded badly after the break, cavan didn't have the firepower to punish them though. Down will fancy making an ulster final now after a good win, donegal will be the whipping boys of the all Ireland series by the looks of it My take away from this weekend is how poor leinster football is and seems to be getting worse, watched laois on gaago, I've never seen a home team concede that many scores in a game Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1710 - 23/04/2023 21:09:45 2472962 Link
Replying To ke40: " Replying To BarneyGrant: "[quote=legendzxix: "Connacht SFC semi-final Roscommon 1-9 Galway 1-13, Dr Hyde Park FT Leinster SFC quarter-finals Westmeath 1-11 Louth 2-10, Pairc Tailteann FT Kildare 1-17 Wicklow 0-10, Netwatch Cullen Park FT Laois 2-9 Dublin 4-30, Laois Hire O'Moore Park FT Offaly 1-11 Meath 0-10, Glenisk O'Connor Park FT Ulster SFC quarter-final Down 2-13 Donegal 1-11, Páirc Esler FT Meath have qualified for the Tailteann Cup. Offaly and Down are still in the All-Ireland hunt. Louth, Cork and Kildare are still sweating over qualification." Sad to see Meath fall so low. They were 8/9 down at one stage I checked but must have staged a bit of a fight back. I'd imagine O'Rourke may be regretting he took the job after all. They are as bad a Meath team as any time in 60 years." Gas the way there's no credit for Offaly beaten Meath, it's all about how sad for Meath. Is it a major surprise that Offaly won? 2019 Meath needed a goal in the dying minutes to beat Offaly, O Rourke getting a lot of stick for taking the job , Meath haven't been at the top table for 20+ years."]Well done Offaly. and well done to yourselves beating Wicklow. Should be close next week... BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3523 - 23/04/2023 21:17:53 2472964 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: " Replying To legendzxix: "Connacht SFC semi-final Roscommon 1-9 Galway 1-13, Dr Hyde Park FT Leinster SFC quarter-finals Westmeath 1-11 Louth 2-10, Pairc Tailteann FT Kildare 1-17 Wicklow 0-10, Netwatch Cullen Park FT Laois 2-9 Dublin 4-30, Laois Hire O'Moore Park FT Offaly 1-11 Meath 0-10, Glenisk O'Connor Park FT Ulster SFC quarter-final Down 2-13 Donegal 1-11, Páirc Esler FT Meath have qualified for the Tailteann Cup. Offaly and Down are still in the All-Ireland hunt. Louth, Cork and Kildare are still sweating over qualification." Sad to see Meath fall so low. They were 8/9 down at one stage I checked but must have staged a bit of a fight back. I'd imagine O'Rourke may be regretting he took the job after all. They are as bad a Meath team as any time in 60 years." Hard to believe that it will be Offaly's first Leinster SFC semi final since 2007... Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4234 - 23/04/2023 21:20:12 2472966 Link
Replying To ke40: " Replying To BarneyGrant: "[quote=legendzxix: "Connacht SFC semi-final Roscommon 1-9 Galway 1-13, Dr Hyde Park FT Leinster SFC quarter-finals Westmeath 1-11 Louth 2-10, Pairc Tailteann FT Kildare 1-17 Wicklow 0-10, Netwatch Cullen Park FT Laois 2-9 Dublin 4-30, Laois Hire O'Moore Park FT Offaly 1-11 Meath 0-10, Glenisk O'Connor Park FT Ulster SFC quarter-final Down 2-13 Donegal 1-11, Páirc Esler FT Meath have qualified for the Tailteann Cup. Offaly and Down are still in the All-Ireland hunt. Louth, Cork and Kildare are still sweating over qualification." Sad to see Meath fall so low. They were 8/9 down at one stage I checked but must have staged a bit of a fight back. I'd imagine O'Rourke may be regretting he took the job after all. They are as bad a Meath team as any time in 60 years." Gas the way there's no credit for Offaly beaten Meath, it's all about how sad for Meath. Is it a major surprise that Offaly won? 2019 Meath needed a goal in the dying minutes to beat Offaly, O Rourke getting a lot of stick for taking the job , Meath haven't been at the top table for 20+ years."]You make some good points there. Very little credit being given to Offaly, especially after what happened this year. All the talk is about meath.... Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4234 - 23/04/2023 21:30:19 2472975 Link
Replying To Barrowsider: "I went into the kildare vs wicklow game today as poor a game as I've seen in a long time, kildare only really going through the motions awaiting their hammering next week. Wicklow really poor. Meath are at a low ebb I think the TC might be the best place for them, a chance to rebuild where they can still be competitive Louth are flying, 9 points down and won, should be a decent game with them and offaly next week with a big prize on offer. Armagh were brilliant in the first half last night but as in the league the faded badly after the break, cavan didn't have the firepower to punish them though. Down will fancy making an ulster final now after a good win, donegal will be the whipping boys of the all Ireland series by the looks of it My take away from this weekend is how poor leinster football is and seems to be getting worse, watched laois on gaago, I've never seen a home team concede that many scores in a game" Without a doubt a low ebb, however Offaly fully deserved their win and can put in up to Louth next day out. TC is where we deserve to be and will need to improve big time if we hope to progress. seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2215 - 23/04/2023 23:15:23 2473009 Link
Maybe I am overreacting here because my mind is influenced by Leinster. But is football in danger of going like hurling where an elite break away and go so far ahead of the rest that it becomes permanent. Football used to go in cycles and while there were weaker teams who rarely won a provincial title even they could go on a run. Dublin, Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry have remained in the top 5 or 6 teams in Ireland for pretty much the last 10 years. Donegal were the same until this year. But that level of consistency feels unusual, looking at history it seems it used to be more cyclical. Has the increased professionalism, back doors and importance of a bigger panel driven a gap so big that even mid tier D2 and D3 counties will never be able to bridge again. Will we ever be able to have a really competitive Laois, Offaly, Sligo, Down, Westmeath teams like we used to where they could go on a run and really compete with a big gun. Will Meath and Kildare ever be able to compete with Dublin again, or Cork with Kerry. It just seems like the top table has gone so stagnant (last year Derry atleast we're a breath of fresh air) and the cyclical nature and the way a middle of the pack team could trouble a big team doesn't exist anymore LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1568 - 24/04/2023 12:53:20 2473225 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "If Galway, Derry, Dublin and Kerry retain their titles, the seedings will be as follows: 1. Galway, Kerry, Dublin, Derry 2. Armagh^, Louth^, Clare, Sligo 3. Mayo, Roscommon, Tyrone, Monaghan 4. Donegal, Cork, Kildare, Westmeath * Down and Offaly could yet knockout Kildare and Cork. ^ Armagh and Louth will be Seed 4 if they lose their semi-final." This seems like a weird set-up by Croke Park. "Clare, Kerry, Galway and Sligo will all play two weeks after the provincial finals on May 7. The winners of Connacht and Munster will face third seeds at home (either Mayo, Roscommon, Tyrone plus one) in their opening game with the runners-up also at home taking on fourth seeds (either Donegal, Westmeath plus two). However, the provinces aren't guaranteed to be paired, i.e. Munster winners with Connacht finalists and vice-versa. The victors can also be drawn in the same group as the runners-up in Leinster and Ulster. Likewise, the Connacht and Munster runners-up could find themselves in the same groups as the champions in the bigger provinces." Usually the first seeds play the fourth seeds and the second seeds play the third seeds. The better finishing teams will eliminate each other in this concoction. Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 763 - 24/04/2023 17:58:39 2473416 Link
When is the draw for the groups of for the All Ireland/ tailteann cup taking place? Is it this weekend after all provincial finalists are confirmed? macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1166 - 25/04/2023 11:55:28 2473647 Link
Replying To macca999: "When is the draw for the groups of for the All Ireland/ tailteann cup taking place? Is it this weekend after all provincial finalists are confirmed?" 2nd may armaghfan02 (Armagh) - Posts: 39 - 25/04/2023 12:28:34 2473669 Link
Replying To macca999: "When is the draw for the groups of for the All Ireland/ tailteann cup taking place? Is it this weekend after all provincial finalists are confirmed?" On Tuesday May 2nd. The All-Ireland draw should be after the provincial finals. It's an unnecessary distraction otherwise. Non finalists will be able to scout their provincial finalists opponents, giving them an unfair advantage. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8787 - 25/04/2023 13:21:40 2473696 Link
Replying To armaghfan02: "2nd may" How will that work when we don't know the first/second seeds? Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 212 - 25/04/2023 17:49:48 2473816 Link
Replying To Jazzyjeff: "How will that work when we don't know the first/second seeds?" They'll draw the following: Seed 1: Ulster winner, Leinster winner, Munster winner and Connacht winner. Seed 2: The provincial runners-up. Seed 3: Mayo, Roscommon, Tyrone and 1 more. Seed 4: Donegal, Westmeath and 2 more. Losing a final could be known to be advantageous to avoid Mayo and Tyrone! legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8787 - 26/04/2023 09:57:25 2473884 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "They'll draw the following: Seed 1: Ulster winner, Leinster winner, Munster winner and Connacht winner. Seed 2: The provincial runners-up. Seed 3: Mayo, Roscommon, Tyrone and 1 more. Seed 4: Donegal, Westmeath and 2 more. Losing a final could be known to be advantageous to avoid Mayo and Tyrone!" Losing Finalist will have to play the Mayos/Tyrones away. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2295 - 26/04/2023 10:34:10 2473904 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "They'll draw the following: Seed 1: Ulster winner, Leinster winner, Munster winner and Connacht winner. Seed 2: The provincial runners-up. Seed 3: Mayo, Roscommon, Tyrone and 1 more. Seed 4: Donegal, Westmeath and 2 more. Losing a final could be known to be advantageous to avoid Mayo and Tyrone!" Oh that's incredibly dumb that they allowed that to be possible. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4524 - 27/04/2023 20:21:27 2474292 Link
Replying To Jazzyjeff: "How will that work when we don't know the first/second seeds?" the finalists will be known so if its an armagh derry ulster final both teams will know which two groups they will be potentially in before they play armaghfan02 (Armagh) - Posts: 39 - 28/04/2023 10:03:13 2474318 Link
Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "Maybe I am overreacting here because my mind is influenced by Leinster. But is football in danger of going like hurling where an elite break away and go so far ahead of the rest that it becomes permanent. Football used to go in cycles and while there were weaker teams who rarely won a provincial title even they could go on a run. Dublin, Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry have remained in the top 5 or 6 teams in Ireland for pretty much the last 10 years. Donegal were the same until this year. But that level of consistency feels unusual, looking at history it seems it used to be more cyclical. Has the increased professionalism, back doors and importance of a bigger panel driven a gap so big that even mid tier D2 and D3 counties will never be able to bridge again. Will we ever be able to have a really competitive Laois, Offaly, Sligo, Down, Westmeath teams like we used to where they could go on a run and really compete with a big gun. Will Meath and Kildare ever be able to compete with Dublin again, or Cork with Kerry. It just seems like the top table has gone so stagnant (last year Derry atleast we're a breath of fresh air) and the cyclical nature and the way a middle of the pack team could trouble a big team doesn't exist anymore" If you posted this a few years ago it would have been more relevant, but the current state is far healthier than it was then. There are more counties with year with genuine All-Ireland aspirations than there has been for some time. Apart from the end of Dublin's recent domination, we don't need reminding that in the 70s and 80s, 12 out of 13 All-Irelands were won by Kerry and Dublin. We have a far more competitive championship than that now. I take your point about smaller counties. With the level of professionalism in county setups now and the resources required, it is becoming ever more difficult for them to compete with the best. However, I can't agree with your point about Meath, Kildare and Cork struggling because they can't compete with Dublin and Kerry. Those 3 counties aren't even competing with Monaghan and Roscommon currently, much smaller counties with fewer resources. If the likes of Mayo and Tyrone can compete, there's no excuse for Meath, Kildare and Cork. My own county had a big fall from grace during the mid-00s to mid-10s and it has taken a lot of hard work to get us competitive again. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2321 - 28/04/2023 10:28:06 2474328 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "Oh that's incredibly dumb that they allowed that to be possible." That's the way the GAA roll at times. The Tailteann Cup draw should be made on its own for good media coverage. The All-Ireland draw should follow separately a week after once all the provincial finals have been played. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8787 - 28/04/2023 11:02:37 2474335 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "They'll draw the following: Seed 1: Ulster winner, Leinster winner, Munster winner and Connacht winner. Seed 2: The provincial runners-up. Seed 3: Mayo, Roscommon, Tyrone and 1 more. Seed 4: Donegal, Westmeath and 2 more. Losing a final could be known to be advantageous to avoid Mayo and Tyrone!" Losing (or winning) a final will not increase or decrease your chances of meeting Mayo/Roscommon/Tyrone/One more. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 335 - 29/04/2023 18:03:41 2474545 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "Losing (or winning) a final will not increase or decrease your chances of meeting Mayo/Roscommon/Tyrone/One more." The draw is on Tuesday. A county will know that losing a provincial final could result in avoiding Mayo or Tyrone. Example of a draw on Tuesday morning: Connacht winner Leinster runners-up Mayo Westmeath Losing the Connacht final will avoid Mayo. Ulster winner Munster runners-up Tyrone Donegal Losing the Ulster final avoids Tyrone. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8787 - 29/04/2023 18:48:41 2474550 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "The draw is on Tuesday. A county will know that losing a provincial final could result in avoiding Mayo or Tyrone. Example of a draw on Tuesday morning: Connacht winner Leinster runners-up Mayo Westmeath Losing the Connacht final will avoid Mayo. Ulster winner Munster runners-up Tyrone Donegal Losing the Ulster final avoids Tyrone." Ok, I now know what you meant - probably my fault. I thought that you meant that a provincial final loser could avoid ALL seed 3 teams - this is what I addressed in my reply. Firstly, theoretically, you are correct that by losing a provincial final a team could - depending on the draw - avoid the likes of Mayo or Tyrone. Secondly, that the likes of Kerry, Galway or Dublin could engineer a loss against the opposition they face is extraordinarily far-fetched. And, that anyone would deliberately lose the Ulster Final is equally far-fetched. Thirdly, by losing the provincial final a team foregoes home advantage versus their seed 3 opponents. Fourthly, I'm glad that most now acknowledge that the group draw is an open draw. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 335 - 30/04/2023 14:06:18 2474707 Link