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Replying To Waltermitty2: "So it had nothing to do with having a panel and starting 15 full of bang average club hurlers?" You including the recks in that? There's no point having this conversation
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3866 - 26/02/2023 19:27:37
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Did Eoin Murphy get a run?
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Replying To tonydoranfan: "was at the match as son playing" So your son was playing on the minor team, yet you didn't know that minor is in Round Robin with Offaly, Dublin and Kerry? I knew this a long time ago as a relation is on the Dublin squad. You can't be very au fait with the setup?
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1452 - 26/02/2023 19:43:00
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I don't care if the manger of overly concerned about the league or not, that's his perogative, one I disagree with but that's his decision.
But that does not excuse the level of defeat we seen today, I don't care if it's a practice match, a charity challenge match or not but Wexford shifting a defeat like that AT HOME is not acceptable, not even close!
As for underage and the county board approach, it's not working, hasn't worked for a long long time. This idea of 50 chaps sitting on development panels with 30 plus of these just there to collect "the gear" serves no one, dilutes competition and robs clubs of their players.
Secondly the blitz approach to our championships serves our county team how exactly, either code! Fellas hurling for 6/7 weeks and not hurling for their club for the next 6/7 months serves players how exactly? But hey we can release a pr note about how we are the first county to run off our club championship come summer. Run of the mill injury and a player misses over half their clubs games, again clubs in the height of summer being robbed of the chance to have meaningful training sessions, being robbed of the chance of their county players getting in meaningful training with their clubs. How does all this serve Wexford, our county team? Due to this obscene structure how many training sessions will county players have with their clubs this year?
But hey we had a really good night with the light show and fireworks!
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1541 - 26/02/2023 19:46:28
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Replying To Wexyhurl: "Did Eoin Murphy get a run?" He did but made 2 mistakes costing 4 points. Still think he's a good hurler though. Hard to come on cold against a top championship side when your teams under pressure all over the pitch.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16750 - 26/02/2023 19:46:49
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Replying To Doylerwex: "You including the recks in that? There's no point having this conversation" Dee O keefe was on the bench and is an all star. Mogie started and was arguably the best hurler in last year's senior championship and excellent for the county team also, but only rejoined the panel 4 or 5 weeks or so ago. Lawlor kept goal for the county champions and has been ok so far this year. Donohue had a poor game at fullback but isn't a full back in all fairness. Clarke wasn't great in the corner but maybe hasn't the pace for there. Maybe he and Donohue should've swapped round. Pretty sure all the panel today were in the 65 nominated for team of the club championship so couldn't be described as bang average club players.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16750 - 26/02/2023 19:53:45
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Replying To Viking66: "2 of the regulars you mention were 2 of the worst players on the pitch. No workrate. No intensity. A third was playing slightly out of position but was nearly as bad. I'm not happy clappy but laying on the criticism thick onto lads starting out intercounty or the management for doing what we all said needed to be done at the start of the year just isn't helpful." Too right Viking, I felt sorry for the hurlers out there today so I did not lay into them.
But you can't possibly absolve the management team for the team they sent out today. It was a lambs to the slaughter job. You can't send lads out for their debut and not surround them with any experienced players.
As a Dublin fan I am eyeing up Wexford for that 3rd spot in Leinster but I hope we can both qualify so I was disappointed with what I saw today for my money.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1452 - 26/02/2023 19:55:48
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Well I'd like the think the most vocal critic here post match actually saw the game with his own eyes, game wasn't available on a stream or TV today." Maybe I should go back and write a report on the football thread about the game yesterday. I wasn't there and didn't watch it on any stream but I listened to it on the radio!!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16750 - 26/02/2023 19:56:03
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Replying To tonydoranfan: "I hear minor team really poor this year and hopefully they will avoid galway in the leinster draw, they have only bet wicklow and carlow in challenge games, bet by kildare and hammered by all the munster teams,
jj doyle the main man and from all accounts he has his favourites, great player development" How come you hear the minor team is very poor in this post but say your son is on it later in the thread?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16750 - 26/02/2023 19:58:16
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Replying To tearintom: "I don't care if the manger of overly concerned about the league or not, that's his perogative, one I disagree with but that's his decision.
But that does not excuse the level of defeat we seen today, I don't care if it's a practice match, a charity challenge match or not but Wexford shifting a defeat like that AT HOME is not acceptable, not even close!
As for underage and the county board approach, it's not working, hasn't worked for a long long time. This idea of 50 chaps sitting on development panels with 30 plus of these just there to collect "the gear" serves no one, dilutes competition and robs clubs of their players.
Secondly the blitz approach to our championships serves our county team how exactly, either code! Fellas hurling for 6/7 weeks and not hurling for their club for the next 6/7 months serves players how exactly? But hey we can release a pr note about how we are the first county to run off our club championship come summer. Run of the mill injury and a player misses over half their clubs games, again clubs in the height of summer being robbed of the chance to have meaningful training sessions, being robbed of the chance of their county players getting in meaningful training with their clubs. How does all this serve Wexford, our county team? Due to this obscene structure how many training sessions will county players have with their clubs this year?
But hey we had a really good night with the light show and fireworks!" We won all 5 League games last year while giving gametime to nearly no new players. How did that help us come the important part of the season?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16750 - 26/02/2023 20:01:50
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Replying To tearintom: "I don't care if the manger of overly concerned about the league or not, that's his perogative, one I disagree with but that's his decision.
But that does not excuse the level of defeat we seen today, I don't care if it's a practice match, a charity challenge match or not but Wexford shifting a defeat like that AT HOME is not acceptable, not even close!
As for underage and the county board approach, it's not working, hasn't worked for a long long time. This idea of 50 chaps sitting on development panels with 30 plus of these just there to collect "the gear" serves no one, dilutes competition and robs clubs of their players.
Secondly the blitz approach to our championships serves our county team how exactly, either code! Fellas hurling for 6/7 weeks and not hurling for their club for the next 6/7 months serves players how exactly? But hey we can release a pr note about how we are the first county to run off our club championship come summer. Run of the mill injury and a player misses over half their clubs games, again clubs in the height of summer being robbed of the chance to have meaningful training sessions, being robbed of the chance of their county players getting in meaningful training with their clubs. How does all this serve Wexford, our county team? Due to this obscene structure how many training sessions will county players have with their clubs this year?
But hey we had a really good night with the light show and fireworks!" So now that you have proposed the problems, how's about some workable solutions which don't involve less matches for club players? I can bet you one thing, if the hurling wasn't played first the result of that would be a weaker football championship. The club game is squeezed to within an inch of its life but the fixture conundrum is unfixable unless clubs play without county players. It is the same in every county.
If you don't think development squads are the answer, you haven't talked to anybody involved with Limerick's academy setup....they are not robbing clubs of their players if they are getting better coaching.
I have my doubts about lots in Wexford GAA as I posted, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1452 - 26/02/2023 20:03:54
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Direct quote from Egan after the match
"The whole thing for the last four months was about building a panel, to see who we have."
"Some lads put their hands up, have played consistently over the last few weeks; other lads came in today and didn't perform. Unfortunately, the nature of the game is that they mightn't see action for the rest of the year.
"That's the way it has to be."
Doesn't say much for Egan as a manager if that what he was built over the last 4 months.
Could be well out of depth at inter county management I feel.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 974 - 26/02/2023 20:13:18
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Replying To wexfordwin: "Wexford Minors played and beat Tipperary on Saturday. The Celtic Challenge team which is our second team lost to Kildare's first team in a competitive game.
Wexford have a development panel of 18 and 19 year olds who lost to Westmeaths Under 20 team yesterday. The development panel are working away on a programme to develop them for the future. The get gym sessions before school twice a week and hurling at the weekend up to March and then go back to their clubs.
Wexford U 20s played a game v Limerick yesterday and lost by 3/4 points with to of our players playing senior
Don`t let the facts get in a way of a bad news story." Tonydoranfan for the 3rd and final time today can you please clarify on the above which contradicts the information about the minor panel apparently your son is on? If you don't reply to this is it safe to assume your a spoofer of the highest order?
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 26/02/2023 20:19:20
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An alternative team to today
Mark Fanning (Inujred)
Conor Devitt (Injured)
Liam Ryan (Injured)
Niall Murphy (Sub)
Paudie Foley (Away)
Matt O hanlon (Injured)
Joe O Connor (Injured)
Dee O Keefe (Sub)
Richie Lawlor (Injured)
Rory O Connor (Injured)
Oisin Foley (Injured)
Jack Redmond (20s)
oisin Pepper (Sub
Lee Chin (Injured)
Mikey Dwyer (Sub)
I would fancy this team to beat the team that started today comfortably. Some lads got their chance today and blew it. 20s beat Waterford this morning comfortably and Jack Redmond was outstanding.
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Replying To Viking66: "Dee O keefe was on the bench and is an all star. Mogie started and was arguably the best hurler in last year's senior championship and excellent for the county team also, but only rejoined the panel 4 or 5 weeks or so ago. Lawlor kept goal for the county champions and has been ok so far this year. Donohue had a poor game at fullback but isn't a full back in all fairness. Clarke wasn't great in the corner but maybe hasn't the pace for there. Maybe he and Donohue should've swapped round. Pretty sure all the panel today were in the 65 nominated for team of the club championship so couldn't be described as bang average club players." Let's call a spade a spade, the standard in our club championship is poor. Was at the the QF and a corner back caught the ball 3 times and nowhere near him till the next parish. Stupid mistakes like that are happening the whole time at club level in Wexford. Our senior champions have lost to both the Laois and Carlow champions. I don't care,our county champions should be good enough to beat county winners from Joe McDonagh counties. Don't bring up the great strides that these Joe McDonagh counties are making. If there making better strides than Wexford are, then we really are in trouble.
Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 26/02/2023 20:39:46
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Replying To wexfordwin: "An alternative team to today
Mark Fanning (Inujred)
Conor Devitt (Injured)
Liam Ryan (Injured)
Niall Murphy (Sub)
Paudie Foley (Away)
Matt O hanlon (Injured)
Joe O Connor (Injured)
Dee O Keefe (Sub)
Richie Lawlor (Injured)
Rory O Connor (Injured)
Oisin Foley (Injured)
Jack Redmond (20s)
oisin Pepper (Sub
Lee Chin (Injured)
Mikey Dwyer (Sub)
I would fancy this team to beat the team that started today comfortably. Some lads got their chance today and blew it. 20s beat Waterford this morning comfortably and Jack Redmond was outstanding." How strong were Waterford, do you know?
Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 26/02/2023 20:40:30
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Too right Viking, I felt sorry for the hurlers out there today so I did not lay into them.
But you can't possibly absolve the management team for the team they sent out today. It was a lambs to the slaughter job. You can't send lads out for their debut and not surround them with any experienced players.
As a Dublin fan I am eyeing up Wexford for that 3rd spot in Leinster but I hope we can both qualify so I was disappointed with what I saw today for my money." Some of the more experienced hurlers were some of the most disappointing ones tbh Exiled. 1 of them stood on the sideline til he was replaced barking orders to the other lads while possibly only running or jogging 200 metres in total. Won very little ball. At one point played a diagonal pass that landed at least 30 metres away from the nearest Wexford man.
As regards management they are using these games to see if any lads are going to put themselves into the frame for starting jobs come the business end of the season. Dunbar certainly has. Mcguckin wasn't as good this time but at least tried hard and played hard and scored a very good point. Hearne, who was MOTM the last day was very quiet in the 1st half but improved in the 2nd. Higgins has improved every game he's played since I saw him in Mountrath and tried hard at least. Clarke seems to be getting up to speed but got caught out of position a few times. The fullback line was shaky, Simon is better in the corner and isn't the man for fullback, but the main problem for them especially in the 1st half was the wingbacks weren't stopping the ball getting through. Carthy played well when he came on, got on ball and made some good runs, made some catches, largely stopped the ball going by him on his side, was tidy in possession didnt give the ball away repeatedly, and scored a good point. I thought Doran looked very busy when he came on its a shame he isn't 2 stone heavier. The real shame is Richie Lawlors injury. Games like this would've done him the world of good. And us if he played the way he was playing before he got injured.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16750 - 26/02/2023 20:42:31
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Replying To Past hurler: "Direct quote from Egan after the match
"The whole thing for the last four months was about building a panel, to see who we have."
"Some lads put their hands up, have played consistently over the last few weeks; other lads came in today and didn't perform. Unfortunately, the nature of the game is that they mightn't see action for the rest of the year.
"That's the way it has to be."
Doesn't say much for Egan as a manager if that what he was built over the last 4 months.
Could be well out of depth at inter county management I feel." I don't think he is even started building anything yet. He was just sorting out the pieces that might complete the puzzle. Put lads in in pressure situations and see how they cope with it mentally and physically. If they can't cope with sides in the League they definitely won't in the championship.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16750 - 26/02/2023 20:47:40
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Replying To wexfordwin: "An alternative team to today
Mark Fanning (Inujred)
Conor Devitt (Injured)
Liam Ryan (Injured)
Niall Murphy (Sub)
Paudie Foley (Away)
Matt O hanlon (Injured)
Joe O Connor (Injured)
Dee O Keefe (Sub)
Richie Lawlor (Injured)
Rory O Connor (Injured)
Oisin Foley (Injured)
Jack Redmond (20s)
oisin Pepper (Sub
Lee Chin (Injured)
Mikey Dwyer (Sub)
I would fancy this team to beat the team that started today comfortably. Some lads got their chance today and blew it. 20s beat Waterford this morning comfortably and Jack Redmond was outstanding." Stop posting sense lad the hysterical types on this won't appreciate you putting pins in their bubbles at all at all!!!! Think the u20s should be very good this year was discussing them earlier in this thread. Is Conor Murphy on the team do you know?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16750 - 26/02/2023 20:50:46
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Replying To Finchfurlong996: "Let's call a spade a spade, the standard in our club championship is poor. Was at the the QF and a corner back caught the ball 3 times and nowhere near him till the next parish. Stupid mistakes like that are happening the whole time at club level in Wexford. Our senior champions have lost to both the Laois and Carlow champions. I don't care,our county champions should be good enough to beat county winners from Joe McDonagh counties. Don't bring up the great strides that these Joe McDonagh counties are making. If there making better strides than Wexford are, then we really are in trouble." Antrim clubs have won more AI club titles than ours. The Joe Mac counties only have less senior clubs. They are all senior standard clubs though. Ballyhale didn't crush Naas last year for example. And barely beat the Laois champions the year before. MLR from Carlow won the Leinster titles only a few years ago.
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