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Replying To Viking66:  "The minors beat Tipp. The team that lost to Kildare the same weekend was the minor development squad."
tipperary won by 15 points and kildare 2, our top teams in both games,
what's with the minor development squad, we lucky to have one team up to the standard,
underage in wexford at a very low standard

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 26/02/2023 17:35:54    2460351

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Replying To Viking66:  "How are our under 14s going do you know? Or our u16s? Our minors beat Tipps a couple of weeks ago. Our u20s lost to Limericks by only 3 points without Foley and Byrne Dunbar . Where are you getting your facts? Cos I think you are full of ####"
sorry but minors hammered by tipperary

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 26/02/2023 17:36:53    2460353

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Replying To Viking66:  "How are our under 14s going do you know? Or our u16s? Our minors beat Tipps a couple of weeks ago. Our u20s lost to Limericks by only 3 points without Foley and Byrne Dunbar . Where are you getting your facts? Cos I think you are full of ####"
was at the match as son playing

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 26/02/2023 17:38:03    2460354

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Replying To Finchfurlong996:  "Isn't minor round robin?"
Yeah every championship Senior and underage seems to be this year.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 26/02/2023 17:38:19    2460355

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Well I'd like the think the most vocal critic here post match actually saw the game with his own eyes, game wasn't available on a stream or TV today."
I haven't perfected the art of being in two places at once yet, so didn't travel, but unfortunately you don't need to physically be there to analyse a 22-point defeat. The fact that the eternal optimist Tom Dempsey was even critical of the tactics and overall display on the radio sums up the day.

Tell me this, why is it that everything surrounding the fortunes of the hurlers is seen as sacred? I mean did we ever concede as big a tally against Cody's legendary team, even when we were in the doldrums? Like fair enough, had we got beaten by single figures but put in a decent display and I was criticising it, that'd be overboard. But there was nothing- no tactics of any note, no cut from the players (apart from the usual Reck and Conor Mac), nothing for the crowd to get excited about. And you didn't need to be in Wexford Park discotheque to notice that.

Now I hope its all part of the grand plan and that we'll click come championship. But we aren't the Limerick green machine or Cody's Cats- this is Wexford. There is no guarantee we'll have improved enough by then. I hope I'm wrong, but when push comes to shove, what's the bet our poor shooting will be our downfall again (ironically it wasn't today)? Dublin is obviously the biggest name on the fixture calendar right now, but they have been a bogey team of ours recently and have upgraded their manager in the interim.

I don't know how you picked out my post amid all the others either. I am far from the biggest critic, and give due praise in victory too. Have actually stood up for some of the players that others have been too quick to write off as well.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1502 - 26/02/2023 17:40:56    2460357

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Replying To Viking66:  "How are our under 14s going do you know? Or our u16s? Our minors beat Tipps a couple of weeks ago. Our u20s lost to Limericks by only 3 points without Foley and Byrne Dunbar . Where are you getting your facts? Cos I think you are full of ####"
was at the match as son playing, I'm far from full of #### tipperary bet them by 15 points, they have only bet wicklow and carlow and hammered by all the munster teams, they are facts you can pretent all is good in wexford hurling if you like

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 26/02/2023 17:43:18    2460361

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Replying To Viking66:  "We were world beaters this time last year. And because of it Rory was crocked for the championship. I think we are doing the right thing blooding newer and younger players. Alot of these lads, the 2018 u21 team, should've been doing this 2 or 3 years ago and they would be better now."
just a question?? what age are you?? are you still in primary school?

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 26/02/2023 17:45:16    2460363

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Replying To Viking66:  "The minors beat Tipp. The team that lost to Kildare the same weekend was the minor development squad."
you have not got a clue

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 26/02/2023 17:46:57    2460366

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God that was hard to take today lads i thought the hammering to Waterford was hard to take but this is even way worse than that.. Clare looked like they had extra men all over the place, nearly every puckout clare had in the 1st half they won it and scored from it I don't understand what we are trying to do at times we constantly stand off teams at the start constado it...An our chairman telling us last year that our plan is to win the all ireland by 2027 any decent wexford supporter knows he was talking nonsense..

juan31 (Wexford) - Posts: 169 - 26/02/2023 18:03:02    2460372

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Replying To tonydoranfan:  "yes all are back like me, but as a proud wexford hurling man this was just shocking ,
load disco music before the match and new flood lights are not going to improve wexford hurling
we need strong and proper underage player developments and not the jj doyle show in ferns coe"
It was shocking. I think I said that in my post. And I've been pushing for underage development and S and C as long as I'm posting. We didn't get a single session at our club last year from any Wexford underage coach with our u11s. Prettuy sure that goes for all our underage teams. Not 1. I said that before on this also.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16746 - 26/02/2023 18:10:14    2460375

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Replying To tonydoranfan:  "yes all are back like me, but as a proud wexford hurling man this was just shocking ,
load disco music before the match and new flood lights are not going to improve wexford hurling
we need strong and proper underage player developments and not the jj doyle show in ferns coe"
It was shocking. I think I said that in my post. And I've been pushing for underage development and S and C as long as I'm posting. We didn't get a single session at our club last year from any Wexford underage coach with our u11s. Prettuy sure that goes for all our underage teams. Not 1. I said that before on this also.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16746 - 26/02/2023 18:10:52    2460377

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I remember back in my hay day being on the receiving end of an pasting like that in the Dublin senior hurling championship semi final, boy does it hurt. It was not as grim but only because scores weren't got as easily back then.

But to me, management should be looking at themselves to send out lambs to the slaughter like that. I get that there are injuries and only half of last years starting 15, but at least do something to shore up the thing when hurling in to a gale. Try keep it tight till half time, instead the gaps were huge, space was plentiful and the full back line were on a sinking ship from the word go.

I don't advocate for sweepers but I have said it time and again every time I see them that the Wexford forward do not work hard enough to stop the ball going in to their full back line. Clare hurled with urgency, Wexford hurled with passivity. McDonald was crowded out of it time and again today, but where was the 3 players that the 3-4 Clare players were marking when they were crowding him out of it? Nowhere to be seen. There are no positives to be taken from today from a Wexford perspective in my passive viewpoint.

But a month ago my well founded concerns about the calibre of what is going on in Wexford hurling were met with allegations of negativity, being a "Roy Keane", and so on. You need a reality check, Wexford hurling is not in the great place many of you think it is and even commercially, that will dry up quick if results on the pitch stop delivering commercial exposure.

I hear about "great work" all the time, results at underage aren't backing it up and now that the golden era of 3 x U21's is coming to an end, I don't see the quality replacements. Great work is only great if it is greater than other counties and I do not believe the standard of coaching in Wexford is as good as many counties and underage results back this claim up. At every level in Wexford, you see sweepers from about u14 up. Our underage teams beat these teams because we throw a man up to dog the sweeper and find out that the rest of the backs can't live without a sweeper to dig them out. This is an total failure of coaching of these players.

The schools were beaten in every hurling match they played at A level, and many hurlers in the county don't get exposure. One minor team won Leinster and were pasted in the semi and none of the players seem to be coming through. In Leinster, the county champions have never been competitive since Oulart. These are facts and questions need to be asked unless Wexford is a happy clappy "all is great" county.

I think Wexford need to start their championship 15 v Cork and Limerick and try give them a game of it at least. Only a few weeks after that, there will be no hiding place.

It is only the league, and no they will not learn on the benches in Wexford Park, but the management team sent out lambs to the slaughter against a full strength Clare today. To me, you start a minimum of 8-9 regulars and then a few trialists in any game. I wonder what they were thinking."
2 of the regulars you mention were 2 of the worst players on the pitch. No workrate. No intensity. A third was playing slightly out of position but was nearly as bad. I'm not happy clappy but laying on the criticism thick onto lads starting out intercounty or the management for doing what we all said needed to be done at the start of the year just isn't helpful.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16746 - 26/02/2023 18:16:23    2460379

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Replying To tonydoranfan:  "tipperary won by 15 points and kildare 2, our top teams in both games,
what's with the minor development squad, we lucky to have one team up to the standard,
underage in wexford at a very low standard"
I was told those 2 games went that way. I'll check again.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16746 - 26/02/2023 18:17:47    2460380

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Replying To beano:  "I haven't perfected the art of being in two places at once yet, so didn't travel, but unfortunately you don't need to physically be there to analyse a 22-point defeat. The fact that the eternal optimist Tom Dempsey was even critical of the tactics and overall display on the radio sums up the day.

Tell me this, why is it that everything surrounding the fortunes of the hurlers is seen as sacred? I mean did we ever concede as big a tally against Cody's legendary team, even when we were in the doldrums? Like fair enough, had we got beaten by single figures but put in a decent display and I was criticising it, that'd be overboard. But there was nothing- no tactics of any note, no cut from the players (apart from the usual Reck and Conor Mac), nothing for the crowd to get excited about. And you didn't need to be in Wexford Park discotheque to notice that.

Now I hope its all part of the grand plan and that we'll click come championship. But we aren't the Limerick green machine or Cody's Cats- this is Wexford. There is no guarantee we'll have improved enough by then. I hope I'm wrong, but when push comes to shove, what's the bet our poor shooting will be our downfall again (ironically it wasn't today)? Dublin is obviously the biggest name on the fixture calendar right now, but they have been a bogey team of ours recently and have upgraded their manager in the interim.

I don't know how you picked out my post amid all the others either. I am far from the biggest critic, and give due praise in victory too. Have actually stood up for some of the players that others have been too quick to write off as well."
You were definitely not at the game if you thought there was any cut to Macs play today. A couple of good moments for sure but invisible apart from that. The lack of intensity from some of the lads who would be hoping to get into the Championship team was alarming for sure. Clare had better players on the pitch but we should've matched them for effort if nothing else.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16746 - 26/02/2023 18:21:30    2460382

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Replying To tonydoranfan:  "just a question?? what age are you?? are you still in primary school?"
I'm 52. You still haven't told me where I was mistaken in my original post on the game.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16746 - 26/02/2023 18:23:36    2460385

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Replying To tonydoranfan:  "you have not got a clue"
Like I said I'll find out during the week.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16746 - 26/02/2023 18:24:20    2460386

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Replying To juan31:  "God that was hard to take today lads i thought the hammering to Waterford was hard to take but this is even way worse than that.. Clare looked like they had extra men all over the place, nearly every puckout clare had in the 1st half they won it and scored from it I don't understand what we are trying to do at times we constantly stand off teams at the start constado it...An our chairman telling us last year that our plan is to win the all ireland by 2027 any decent wexford supporter knows he was talking nonsense.."
The lack of intensity and marking was the most disappointing thing for sure, especiallyin the 1st half. While I was expecting a bad beating I hoped some of the lads might've put their hand up for selection going forwards. And some of the more championship experienced lads were particularly poor as regards workrate tbh, except Damien Reck.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16746 - 26/02/2023 18:29:49    2460392

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Replying To wexfordwin:  "Wexford Minors played and beat Tipperary on Saturday. The Celtic Challenge team which is our second team lost to Kildare's first team in a competitive game.

Wexford have a development panel of 18 and 19 year olds who lost to Westmeaths Under 20 team yesterday. The development panel are working away on a programme to develop them for the future. The get gym sessions before school twice a week and hurling at the weekend up to March and then go back to their clubs.

Wexford U 20s played a game v Limerick yesterday and lost by 3/4 points with to of our players playing senior

Don`t let the facts get in a way of a bad news story."
Tonydoranfan you haven't been short of an opinion for the last 4 hours so I'll put this here again, is this poster talking nonsense or you?

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 26/02/2023 19:04:49    2460410

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Replying To juan31:  "God that was hard to take today lads i thought the hammering to Waterford was hard to take but this is even way worse than that.. Clare looked like they had extra men all over the place, nearly every puckout clare had in the 1st half they won it and scored from it I don't understand what we are trying to do at times we constantly stand off teams at the start constado it...An our chairman telling us last year that our plan is to win the all ireland by 2027 any decent wexford supporter knows he was talking nonsense.."
The majority of the county board are complete spoofers. Bad enough football went to the dogs but I can kinda live with that if the hurling was getting stronger (I know some will have an issue with that but hurling comes first in Wexford, IMO). Way it's going hurling will end up the same way we were before the U21 success. Something needs to be done. If their making so much money, hire the best coaches in the country, like Limerick did and not rely on the average coaches we have in this county. I've had sessions with one or two of them myself. Nothing special.

Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 26/02/2023 19:19:59    2460422

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Replying To tonydoranfan:  "you have not got a clue"
What do you think should be done at underage in Wexford differently?
I think it should start with the clubs. Wexford CB should have minimum 3 preferably 4 partime professional underage coaches concentrating on u10s, u12s and u14s in the clubs. If needs be lads from outside the County but preferably local men. If between them they were able to do 12 evenings a week for a couple of hours they could give all the clubs u10s, u12s, and u14s 2 full evenings of coaching per summer, for those teams coaches and players to watch and learn. In addition to which they could write a short report on each session for feedback for the clubs and also for Wexford underage coordinators, and maybe spot talented youngsters to bring into Wexfords development squads that are currently getting missed.
Having been involved the last couple of years with the u9s and u11s and now u12s the most important thing to lads that age is getting gametime and winning. A problem with Wexford clubs underage development is attitude. When underage managers try to get their set up better organised and better coached with better drills they are often accused of taking the whole thing too seriously.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16746 - 26/02/2023 19:25:14    2460426

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