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Replying To Doylerwex: "Nonsense as usual.
We offered up scores by persisting with a tactic that wasn't working. Nothing more" You can predict who will be the most vocal here after a poor performance.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Nonsense as usual.
We offered up scores by persisting with a tactic that wasn't working. Nothing more" After we gifted two goals with the short Puck out you think tactics would have changed but obviously not.
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Lots of negativity here and not without reason. It was horrendous especiallyin the 1st half. The lack of intensity and fight was shocking. Nearly no marking. We stood off them. Didn't help teammates in the rucks. Aimless ball up the pitch time and again from the backs. Invisible halfback line put the fullback line under too much pressure. Clare kept the ball away from Damien Reck in fairness to him. Dunbar did well. Higgins was the only lad in the full forward line that put himself about. Mcguckin tried hard but wasn't as effective as he has been so far this year. Hearne got more involved in the 2nd half. Ian Carthy looked better than the starting wingbacks and got on ball, got a good point and at least put himself about the pitch when he came on. Jack Doran was busy also but looked very light. Very few positives to be taken although in fairness they were playing the likely Clare starting team less Shane O Donnell who felt they had to put on a performance after their no show against Limerick. And that according to the Clare fans next to me, who were disappointed not to get a game to watch after travelling all the way down.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16742 - 26/02/2023 16:47:51
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Replying To Viking66: "Lots of negativity here and not without reason. It was horrendous especiallyin the 1st half. The lack of intensity and fight was shocking. Nearly no marking. We stood off them. Didn't help teammates in the rucks. Aimless ball up the pitch time and again from the backs. Invisible halfback line put the fullback line under too much pressure. Clare kept the ball away from Damien Reck in fairness to him. Dunbar did well. Higgins was the only lad in the full forward line that put himself about. Mcguckin tried hard but wasn't as effective as he has been so far this year. Hearne got more involved in the 2nd half. Ian Carthy looked better than the starting wingbacks and got on ball, got a good point and at least put himself about the pitch when he came on. Jack Doran was busy also but looked very light. Very few positives to be taken although in fairness they were playing the likely Clare starting team less Shane O Donnell who felt they had to put on a performance after their no show against Limerick. And that according to the Clare fans next to me, who were disappointed not to get a game to watch after travelling all the way down." were you are the same match ????
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Nonsense as usual.
We offered up scores by persisting with a tactic that wasn't working. Nothing more" sorry but far more, we're you looking at same match??
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 26/02/2023 16:52:21
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Replying To Past hurler: "Would Kerry, Offaly or Carlow have lost by any more than from that Clare side today?
I don't think so.
We have lads from the panel and the extended panel who are at Joe McDonagh level and some that wouldn't start for Joe McDonagh teams.
And it all stems back to our schools and club hurling been at a poor standard.
It's not a quick fix." I hear our minor team is really poor this year, player development is nonexistent in wexford and the future is really worrying,
flood lights, disco music before matches and light shows are all our county board are good for,
when all the boys from the 3 ina row u21 retire over the next few years we back to division 2 again unfortunately
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 26/02/2023 16:58:00
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Well I'd like the think the most vocal critic here post match actually saw the game with his own eyes, game wasn't available on a stream or TV today." It's not about an individual game, the point is about our county board and player development. They keep telling us we're on the right track, while they put up shiny new floodlights (they were needed tbf) while the team on the field is getting worse by the year. It's not just hurling, even worse on the football side. They haven't a clue.
Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 26/02/2023 16:58:19
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Nonsense as usual.
We offered up scores by persisting with a tactic that wasn't working. Nothing more" So it had nothing to do with having a panel and starting 15 full of bang average club hurlers?
Waltermitty2 (Wexford) - Posts: 275 - 26/02/2023 16:59:40
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Replying To ChinCanHurl: "After we gifted two goals with the short Puck out you think tactics would have changed but obviously not." He tried this last year and it didn't work as well. You'd think he'd learn.
Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 26/02/2023 17:00:26
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Replying To Past hurler: "Would Kerry, Offaly or Carlow have lost by any more than from that Clare side today?
I don't think so.
We have lads from the panel and the extended panel who are at Joe McDonagh level and some that wouldn't start for Joe McDonagh teams.
And it all stems back to our schools and club hurling been at a poor standard.
It's not a quick fix." I hear minor team really poor this year and hopefully they will avoid galway in the leinster draw, they have only bet wicklow and carlow in challenge games, bet by kildare and hammered by all the munster teams,
jj doyle the main man and from all accounts he has his favourites, great player development
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 26/02/2023 17:03:19
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "You can predict who will be the most vocal here after a poor performance." Yep they are all back!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16742 - 26/02/2023 17:06:06
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Replying To tonydoranfan: "were you are the same match ????" I was. I've been to all of them this year including a challenge game. Where do you disagree with my summary? What parts of it? Or was it hard to gauge from Liams commentary?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16742 - 26/02/2023 17:07:30
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Replying To wexfordwin: "Wexford Minors played and beat Tipperary on Saturday. The Celtic Challenge team which is our second team lost to Kildare's first team in a competitive game.
Wexford have a development panel of 18 and 19 year olds who lost to Westmeaths Under 20 team yesterday. The development panel are working away on a programme to develop them for the future. The get gym sessions before school twice a week and hurling at the weekend up to March and then go back to their clubs.
Wexford U 20s played a game v Limerick yesterday and lost by 3/4 points with to of our players playing senior
Don`t let the facts get in a way of a bad news story." Tonydoranfan either your way off the mark or this person is.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 26/02/2023 17:08:54
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Replying To tonydoranfan: "I hear our minor team is really poor this year, player development is nonexistent in wexford and the future is really worrying,
flood lights, disco music before matches and light shows are all our county board are good for,
when all the boys from the 3 ina row u21 retire over the next few years we back to division 2 again unfortunately" How are our under 14s going do you know? Or our u16s? Our minors beat Tipps a couple of weeks ago. Our u20s lost to Limericks by only 3 points without Foley and Byrne Dunbar . Where are you getting your facts? Cos I think you are full of ####
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16742 - 26/02/2023 17:11:45
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Replying To Finchfurlong996: "It's not about an individual game, the point is about our county board and player development. They keep telling us we're on the right track, while they put up shiny new floodlights (they were needed tbf) while the team on the field is getting worse by the year. It's not just hurling, even worse on the football side. They haven't a clue." We were world beaters this time last year. And because of it Rory was crocked for the championship. I think we are doing the right thing blooding newer and younger players. Alot of these lads, the 2018 u21 team, should've been doing this 2 or 3 years ago and they would be better now.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16742 - 26/02/2023 17:14:15
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Replying To Finchfurlong996: "He tried this last year and it didn't work as well. You'd think he'd learn." And what have long puckouts done for us with our current half forwards?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16742 - 26/02/2023 17:15:10
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Replying To tonydoranfan: "I hear minor team really poor this year and hopefully they will avoid galway in the leinster draw, they have only bet wicklow and carlow in challenge games, bet by kildare and hammered by all the munster teams,
jj doyle the main man and from all accounts he has his favourites, great player development" The minors beat Tipp. The team that lost to Kildare the same weekend was the minor development squad.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16742 - 26/02/2023 17:16:21
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Replying To tonydoranfan: "I hear minor team really poor this year and hopefully they will avoid galway in the leinster draw, they have only bet wicklow and carlow in challenge games, bet by kildare and hammered by all the munster teams,
jj doyle the main man and from all accounts he has his favourites, great player development" Isn't minor round robin?
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Replying To Viking66: "Yep they are all back!" yes all are back like me, but as a proud wexford hurling man this was just shocking ,
load disco music before the match and new flood lights are not going to improve wexford hurling
we need strong and proper underage player developments and not the jj doyle show in ferns coe
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 26/02/2023 17:18:18
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I remember back in my hay day being on the receiving end of an pasting like that in the Dublin senior hurling championship semi final, boy does it hurt. It was not as grim but only because scores weren't got as easily back then.
But to me, management should be looking at themselves to send out lambs to the slaughter like that. I get that there are injuries and only half of last years starting 15, but at least do something to shore up the thing when hurling in to a gale. Try keep it tight till half time, instead the gaps were huge, space was plentiful and the full back line were on a sinking ship from the word go.
I don't advocate for sweepers but I have said it time and again every time I see them that the Wexford forward do not work hard enough to stop the ball going in to their full back line. Clare hurled with urgency, Wexford hurled with passivity. McDonald was crowded out of it time and again today, but where was the 3 players that the 3-4 Clare players were marking when they were crowding him out of it? Nowhere to be seen. There are no positives to be taken from today from a Wexford perspective in my passive viewpoint.
But a month ago my well founded concerns about the calibre of what is going on in Wexford hurling were met with allegations of negativity, being a "Roy Keane", and so on. You need a reality check, Wexford hurling is not in the great place many of you think it is and even commercially, that will dry up quick if results on the pitch stop delivering commercial exposure.
I hear about "great work" all the time, results at underage aren't backing it up and now that the golden era of 3 x U21's is coming to an end, I don't see the quality replacements. Great work is only great if it is greater than other counties and I do not believe the standard of coaching in Wexford is as good as many counties and underage results back this claim up. At every level in Wexford, you see sweepers from about u14 up. Our underage teams beat these teams because we throw a man up to dog the sweeper and find out that the rest of the backs can't live without a sweeper to dig them out. This is an total failure of coaching of these players.
The schools were beaten in every hurling match they played at A level, and many hurlers in the county don't get exposure. One minor team won Leinster and were pasted in the semi and none of the players seem to be coming through. In Leinster, the county champions have never been competitive since Oulart. These are facts and questions need to be asked unless Wexford is a happy clappy "all is great" county.
I think Wexford need to start their championship 15 v Cork and Limerick and try give them a game of it at least. Only a few weeks after that, there will be no hiding place.
It is only the league, and no they will not learn on the benches in Wexford Park, but the management team sent out lambs to the slaughter against a full strength Clare today. To me, you start a minimum of 8-9 regulars and then a few trialists in any game. I wonder what they were thinking.
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