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Replying To indaknownow: "Was just wondering what you think of the standard of Refereeing in the championship to date. I've been at half a dozen games ranging from Junior A to Senior so far.
At Senior/intermediate level what i saw seems pretty decent and consistent with the last few years. There seems to be a top 6-8 referees that are pretty good always come with umpires and in general know what they are about.
When you get to intermediate 8 its hit and miss to be honest. some good looking to get among the senior refs. some poor with little interest or ability. It's a pity we dont have enough referees available to do the lines below intermediate level but that appears to be the fact of life these days.
At Junior and below the standard is pretty dismal. lads that are overweight and have little interest and or ability to keep up with the play or know the rules. I was talking to a person who is very active with a local club who was telling me that in the wexford district they are likely to get a better referee for their second team games in the Junior B championship that their first team in the Inter A Championship.
In fairness it is a circular problem hard to recruit refs with the abuse they get but then very hard to respect a referee that doesnt appear to give a damn." Well there hasn't been any posts on here saying the ref cost the game so I take that as a positive. How do we get more people to ref? I don't think its just because of the abuse, the same problem exists in clubs getting players to stay involved in helping out in he club once they stop playing. I just think a lot of players think they have put in enough by being a player and forget or choose to ignore all the all the people that are needed to ensure that they got to play. Perhaps if there were a couple of high profile players took it up once they finished it might make people think more about it.
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See if I get on any better this weekend:
Senior Hurling
Rapparees v Shelmaliers.
Tie of the weekend in many respects, looking forward to this. Rapps were terrible in the second half v Ferns while Shels also didnt show their quality against a well drilled Oylegate side. Difficult one to call, going to say Shels by 2.
Gorey v Harriers.
Harriers have been extremely poor so far, hard to know where they are going wrong with the talent they have, maybe they need to change up their system. Hard to see anything other than Naomh Eanna victory.
Ballymurn v Cloughbawn
I think this is a difficult one to call, Ballymurn will be on a high after their win last week while Cloughbawn albeit they have lost to Annes and Gorey. If they want to stay away from relegation, then this is there best opportunity. A win here would put them ahead of Ballymurn on head to head if Ballymurn dont win anymore games. Another vital game for both sides. Going to say a Cloughbawn win by 3.
Oylegate v St. Martins
I actually fancy Oylegate to win here. Martins still not that impressive and Oylegate after last weeks win coming in to this fixture strongly.
Rathnure v Ferns
Rathnure going very poorly while Ferns will be delighted with last weeks second half performance. Ferns win by 6.
Annes v Barntown
Should be a really close game, Annes have been motoring along nicely without being spectacular while Barntown have been ok. Think Annes will have too much firepower upfront. Annes win
Intermediate
Tara Rocks v Adamstown
Bottom of the table clash, Tara rocks impressive the first day even though they lost while missing alot of players kast week due to wedding. Adamstown havent been overly impressive so far. Fee whoever loses this game will be in relegation final. Massive game for both clubs.
Fethard v HWH Bunclody
Fethard are still not firing on all cylinders and to where they were last year. Bunclody are still missing a number of players from last year, expect Fethard to win this by 4.
Oulart The Ballagh v St. James
Expect this to be a more difficult assignment that Oularts previous games as James are a more physical team. Dont think much needs to be said about Oulart as they are steam rolling teams. A 12 point Oulart win.
Ballygarrett v Taghmon
A real opportunity for Ballygarret to cement at last a forth place here against a mixed Taghmon team. Taghmon while winning the first day good annilated against Oulart but so did Ballygarrett. I actually fancy them to beat Ballygarret. Taghmon win.
Blackwater v Buffers Alley
Alley will have their full contingent back for this while Blackwater have been really poor so far. Cant see anything other than an alley win.
Askamore v Gusserane
The O'Rahillys are absolutely flying while Askamore also have a win under their belt. Have to fancy Gusserane on recent results.
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Replying To zinny: "Well there hasn't been any posts on here saying the ref cost the game so I take that as a positive. How do we get more people to ref? I don't think its just because of the abuse, the same problem exists in clubs getting players to stay involved in helping out in he club once they stop playing. I just think a lot of players think they have put in enough by being a player and forget or choose to ignore all the all the people that are needed to ensure that they got to play. Perhaps if there were a couple of high profile players took it up once they finished it might make people think more about it." Wexford is not bad for abuse of referees.
I go back to Dublin occasionally and see relations playing in u10-u12-u14 blitzes/etc, parents losing their marbles on the sideline. Embarrassing.
A referee never cost a team a match no more than a player does, even if the big decision or 2 goes against them in the dying seconds. They had 60-70 minutes to win the match before it.
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Replying To Viking66: "That's negative tripe. A good friend of mine is a Naas clubman and went to all their games. He hurled for Naas and Kildare back in the day. He said Oylegate were the best team they faced by a long way all year and they beat Glenmore, the Kilkenny champions, in the Leinster Intermediate semi final." There is a conflicting article stating otherwise Viking, the Naas captain and also the Naas manager Mullaly said in an article after the All Ireland club final that the Kerry club, Kilmoyley who they only beat by a last minute point were by far the strongest team they faced all year.
Sure Naas beat Olyegate by 7points, fairly convincinging if you ask me.
Maybe your friend meant Olyegate were the strongest team they faced in Leinster.
Bar Oulart in 2015 and then Fethard in junior, Wexford clubs havnt performed well outside of their own championship lately.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 970 - 06/07/2022 17:58:57
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I would say the standard of Wexford senior club hurling would be on par with the Carlow, Laois senior hurling championship.
We just have more clubs throughout all grades so we have more players to pick from an Inter County team standpoint.
From watching the Kilkenny Senior club matches the speed and intensity is a lot higher.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 970 - 07/07/2022 09:29:54
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Replying To Past hurler: "There is a conflicting article stating otherwise Viking, the Naas captain and also the Naas manager Mullaly said in an article after the All Ireland club final that the Kerry club, Kilmoyley who they only beat by a last minute point were by far the strongest team they faced all year.
Sure Naas beat Olyegate by 7points, fairly convincinging if you ask me.
Maybe your friend meant Olyegate were the strongest team they faced in Leinster.
Bar Oulart in 2015 and then Fethard in junior, Wexford clubs havnt performed well outside of their own championship lately." No he said the strongest they faced. It was their best performance by far of the year he reckoned. He reckoned they didn't play at all well against Kilmoyley and were waxxed to win it at all. They beat Glenmore before beating Oylegate too remember.
Also the split season with hurling 1st will continue to stand against our champion hurlers in every grade in Leinster going forwards even if 1 of the hurling only clubs are champions.
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Replying To Past hurler: "I would say the standard of Wexford senior club hurling would be on par with the Carlow, Laois senior hurling championship.
We just have more clubs throughout all grades so we have more players to pick from an Inter County team standpoint.
From watching the Kilkenny Senior club matches the speed and intensity is a lot higher." A Carlow club, MLR, won the Leinster Senior Title in 2013 and knocked out the then recent AI club hurling champions Loughgiel in the AISF. Carlow and Laois might have less senior clubs but that doesn't mean they are worse.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 07/07/2022 10:47:23
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My predictions:
Senior
Rapparees vs. Shels- it already looks like must-win territory for the defending champs as they still have to play St.Martin's and an Oylegate team surely priming to get one over their neighbours. Watching them the last day, the collective scoring return from their starting forwards isn't good enough, and some of the players that excelled for them last year haven't caught fire yet. Tobin and Oisin Pepper particularly. Shels were more workmanlike than spectacular the first day, and a stat that stands out to me from their loss vs Oylegate is the fact that they scored more from play from their defence than from their starting forwards, so I'd expect Keane-Carroll especially to be much improved. I assume Donohoe will follow his county colleague Foley all day, but I don't know if they have anyone to compete physically with Nick Doyle in the air. Tough game to call, could be a good one. Can't separate them so draw.
Naomh Eanna vs. Faythe Harriers- Naomh Eanna have been on absolute fire, Harriers....haven't. However, Gorey will be missing the holidaying Conor Mac (4-4 over the last two games) so their goalscoring credentials suddenly don't look as fearsome. That might free up Chin to be moved closer to goal- he has provided sixteen of their 28 points to date, admittedly almost all from frees. Then again, Gorey's concession of frees is probably their stand-out negative thus far. But Harriers simply have to get motoring now before it's too late, they have too much talent to be stuck in the rut they are. Gorey have the safety-blanket of two wins ahead of Mac's absence, and the townie factor might make it quite raucous. Tipping Harriers to just shade it given their greater need.
Crossabeg vs. Cloughbawn- Crossabeg can at least guarantee their safety with a win here as not alone will they have two wins on the board, but more importantly they'll have the head-to-head against Cloughbawn (and Harriers). Cloughbawn ironically showed more in defeat to Gorey than they did in a narrower loss to St.Anne's, and on paper have the ability to rack up a big score with the forwards in their ranks. I assume Connal Flood will pick up Oisin Foley, and that may well limit the former's contribution to the scoreboard, although by the same measure, Crossabeg only managed four from play amongst their starting forwards the last day, so perhaps Flood will be given more of a free role as Cloughbawn may be confident of outscoring them if it comes down to a shoot-out. Another difficult game to call. I will plump for Cloughbawn to just about squeak over the line.
Oylegate vs. St.Martin's- a revitalising win for both sides the last day out. I always find previous games instructive to general form, and they both hit twenty scores last week (20 for Martin's vs 1-19 for Oylegate). Oylegate managed 1-10 from play among their six forwards (and three from wing-back Mikie Kelly)- Martin's hit seven in the same avenue. On top of that, of the 1-36 Oylegate have conceded, fifteen have come from frees- Coleman will convert almost every placed-ball that comes his way. Then again, Oylegate have conceded only one goal across the two games, with Martin's shipping four (including three to Shels, whom Oylegate beat with a clean-sheet). They have the two best shut-out defenders in the two Recks and will surely keep it tight. A loss for either side will make next weekend's game even more important- I'll go for the experience of St.Martin's to win out even with their continued absences.
Rathnure vs. Ferns: Ferns have made a dream start, but nothing is guaranteed yet with Martin's and Shelmaliers still to come. A win will essentially seal their quarter-final place though, while a loss for Rathnure will make their tie with Oylegate next week a do-or-die clash. Perhaps the most encouraging aspect of Ferns win the last day was that, despite their backs collectively being excellent, Ian Byrne was really their only forward to click on the day. If they can get more out of Morris, Byrne-Dunbar (who was ill the last day), Doyle and Turner, they are capable of defeating anyone. They also have experienced soldiers to bring in to in Tonks, Jordan and Bitzy, with Conor Scallan still to return fully as well. I am on the record saying that with a full bill of health, they are as good as anyone, with consistency their biggest downfall for years. Rathnure have been my biggest disappointment of the championship thus far, but again could blow away teams if the Redmonds, O'Connor and Lawlor all clicked on the same day. I think with Ferns on a high, that they'll make it three-from-three with a win here.
St.Anne's vs. Glynn-Barntown: I don't think there is any other club in Wexford better at coming in under the radar than St.Anne's. In fact, if Glynn had the same attitude as St.Anne's in both codes, they'd surely have brought home the big one at least once over the last few years. Mogie is absolutely flying, with 2-5 from play so far, with Furlong one of the most dependably free-takers in the grade, and Mikey Fogarty going well too. Glynn are one of only two teams not to have hit a goal yet (along with Harriers), with Leacy perhaps unsurprisingly hitting over half of their scores to date (0-21, seventeen frees, one '65). Rowan White has impressed in the two games, and I assume Eoin Ryan will be designated to mark him. I actually think this could be the game of the weekend, and after writing them off the first two gameweeks, I will pick St.Anne's to sneak it.
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Replying To Viking66: "No he said the strongest they faced. It was their best performance by far of the year he reckoned. He reckoned they didn't play at all well against Kilmoyley and were waxxed to win it at all. They beat Glenmore before beating Oylegate too remember.
Also the split season with hurling 1st will continue to stand against our champion hurlers in every grade in Leinster going forwards even if 1 of the hurling only clubs are champions." Hurling clubs voted for hurling to be played first, they can't have it every way, are we a dual county or not
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Intermediate:
Tara Rocks-Adamstown: Interestingly, Rocks are the only Gorey district team in the top three grades not to have picked up at least a draw in their first two games. However, I can see them addressing that issue at the weekend with a win against struggling Adamstown.
Fethard-Bunclody: vital win for HWH men last week despite their absentees. Again, if they had everyone available, I'd fancy this game to be a belter. However, at this current moment, Fethard are in my top three along with Oulart and Gusserane, and I see them maintaining that form here, although they do have a few injuries in the camp.
Oulart-St.James': as someone mentioned earlier, St.James' football fitness might stand to them in that they could lass the pace against the championship favourites. Then again, I thought another obdurate side like Taghmon would give Oulart a good game last week, and that didn't pan out, so hard to look past another comfortable evening for Oulart.
Ballygarrett-Taghmon-Camross: perhaps the most instructive thing about their respective losses to Oulart is that Ballygarrett were much improved the following day, while Taghmon followed a decent round one loss with a capitulation. I can see it being tight, but the overall scoring power of Taghmon should see them through.
St.Brigid's Blackwater-Buffers Alley: with both pitches only an eighteen minutes drive apart, this is very much a coastal derby. Blackwater haven't seemed to settle on their best starting line-up or formation yet, and I am reliably informed that Buffers Alley will have the bulk of the lads back this week that were missing vs Ballygarrett. Buffers Alley to win quite comfortably.
Askamore-Gusserane: Askamore's display vs Bunclody last week was flat just as I was talking them up as potential dark horses. Gusserane struggled to put away Tara Rocks last day out, and may have injury concerns surrounding Mini Ryan, which will be significant. However, I still think they will defeat the Ballyroebuck men.
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Replying To Viking66: "No he said the strongest they faced. It was their best performance by far of the year he reckoned. He reckoned they didn't play at all well against Kilmoyley and were waxxed to win it at all. They beat Glenmore before beating Oylegate too remember.
Also the split season with hurling 1st will continue to stand against our champion hurlers in every grade in Leinster going forwards even if 1 of the hurling only clubs are champions." As Brian Cody said, you play as well as you are let play.
I was at that final, Kilmoyley who probably had the tougher campaign in Munster by beating the Tipperary, Waterford and Cork champions missed 5 very scoreable frees in the first half against Naas, and probably didnt play well themselves until the last 20 minutes of the second half.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 970 - 07/07/2022 12:50:36
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Replying To beano: "My predictions:
Senior
Rapparees vs. Shels- it already looks like must-win territory for the defending champs as they still have to play St.Martin's and an Oylegate team surely priming to get one over their neighbours. Watching them the last day, the collective scoring return from their starting forwards isn't good enough, and some of the players that excelled for them last year haven't caught fire yet. Tobin and Oisin Pepper particularly. Shels were more workmanlike than spectacular the first day, and a stat that stands out to me from their loss vs Oylegate is the fact that they scored more from play from their defence than from their starting forwards, so I'd expect Keane-Carroll especially to be much improved. I assume Donohoe will follow his county colleague Foley all day, but I don't know if they have anyone to compete physically with Nick Doyle in the air. Tough game to call, could be a good one. Can't separate them so draw.
Naomh Eanna vs. Faythe Harriers- Naomh Eanna have been on absolute fire, Harriers....haven't. However, Gorey will be missing the holidaying Conor Mac (4-4 over the last two games) so their goalscoring credentials suddenly don't look as fearsome. That might free up Chin to be moved closer to goal- he has provided sixteen of their 28 points to date, admittedly almost all from frees. Then again, Gorey's concession of frees is probably their stand-out negative thus far. But Harriers simply have to get motoring now before it's too late, they have too much talent to be stuck in the rut they are. Gorey have the safety-blanket of two wins ahead of Mac's absence, and the townie factor might make it quite raucous. Tipping Harriers to just shade it given their greater need.
Crossabeg vs. Cloughbawn- Crossabeg can at least guarantee their safety with a win here as not alone will they have two wins on the board, but more importantly they'll have the head-to-head against Cloughbawn (and Harriers). Cloughbawn ironically showed more in defeat to Gorey than they did in a narrower loss to St.Anne's, and on paper have the ability to rack up a big score with the forwards in their ranks. I assume Connal Flood will pick up Oisin Foley, and that may well limit the former's contribution to the scoreboard, although by the same measure, Crossabeg only managed four from play amongst their starting forwards the last day, so perhaps Flood will be given more of a free role as Cloughbawn may be confident of outscoring them if it comes down to a shoot-out. Another difficult game to call. I will plump for Cloughbawn to just about squeak over the line.
Oylegate vs. St.Martin's- a revitalising win for both sides the last day out. I always find previous games instructive to general form, and they both hit twenty scores last week (20 for Martin's vs 1-19 for Oylegate). Oylegate managed 1-10 from play among their six forwards (and three from wing-back Mikie Kelly)- Martin's hit seven in the same avenue. On top of that, of the 1-36 Oylegate have conceded, fifteen have come from frees- Coleman will convert almost every placed-ball that comes his way. Then again, Oylegate have conceded only one goal across the two games, with Martin's shipping four (including three to Shels, whom Oylegate beat with a clean-sheet). They have the two best shut-out defenders in the two Recks and will surely keep it tight. A loss for either side will make next weekend's game even more important- I'll go for the experience of St.Martin's to win out even with their continued absences.
Rathnure vs. Ferns: Ferns have made a dream start, but nothing is guaranteed yet with Martin's and Shelmaliers still to come. A win will essentially seal their quarter-final place though, while a loss for Rathnure will make their tie with Oylegate next week a do-or-die clash. Perhaps the most encouraging aspect of Ferns win the last day was that, despite their backs collectively being excellent, Ian Byrne was really their only forward to click on the day. If they can get more out of Morris, Byrne-Dunbar (who was ill the last day), Doyle and Turner, they are capable of defeating anyone. They also have experienced soldiers to bring in to in Tonks, Jordan and Bitzy, with Conor Scallan still to return fully as well. I am on the record saying that with a full bill of health, they are as good as anyone, with consistency their biggest downfall for years. Rathnure have been my biggest disappointment of the championship thus far, but again could blow away teams if the Redmonds, O'Connor and Lawlor all clicked on the same day. I think with Ferns on a high, that they'll make it three-from-three with a win here.
St.Anne's vs. Glynn-Barntown: I don't think there is any other club in Wexford better at coming in under the radar than St.Anne's. In fact, if Glynn had the same attitude as St.Anne's in both codes, they'd surely have brought home the big one at least once over the last few years. Mogie is absolutely flying, with 2-5 from play so far, with Furlong one of the most dependably free-takers in the grade, and Mikey Fogarty going well too. Glynn are one of only two teams not to have hit a goal yet (along with Harriers), with Leacy perhaps unsurprisingly hitting over half of their scores to date (0-21, seventeen frees, one '65). Rowan White has impressed in the two games, and I assume Eoin Ryan will be designated to mark him. I actually think this could be the game of the weekend, and after writing them off the first two gameweeks, I will pick St.Anne's to sneak it." Usual excellent post, enjoyed reading it.
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Replying To FootballRising: "Hurling clubs voted for hurling to be played first, they can't have it every way, are we a dual county or not" I agree 100%. It just shows that clubs value a Wexford title more highly than a Provincial one I guess.
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Replying To Past hurler: "As Brian Cody said, you play as well as you are let play.
I was at that final, Kilmoyley who probably had the tougher campaign in Munster by beating the Tipperary, Waterford and Cork champions missed 5 very scoreable frees in the first half against Naas, and probably didnt play well themselves until the last 20 minutes of the second half." Glenmore and Oylegate both had 2 intercounty starters and other lads on the intercounty panels. Naas also beat Castleknock from Dublin. And Tooreen were Mayo senior champions who won the last 2 Connacht championships beating both Moycullen and Kinvara, Conor Whelans team, from Galway in the 2 finals and reached the 2 previous finals also beating Ballinderreen from Galway in 1 of them. Not sure that Kilmoyleys route to the AI series was neccessarily any tougher.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 07/07/2022 14:16:54
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Replying To Viking66: "I agree 100%. It just shows that clubs value a Wexford title more highly than a Provincial one I guess." From what I hear back from the county board meetings, Leinster never entered delegates/top table minds, they just wanted hurling before football full stop
FootballRising (Wexford) - Posts: 29 - 07/07/2022 16:28:25
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Replying To FootballRising: "From what I hear back from the county board meetings, Leinster never entered delegates/top table minds, they just wanted hurling before football full stop" Clubs here think the be all and end all is the Wexford club championship as far as I can see. We have only won 1 all Ireland club title in hurling and football combined. Only Louth and Kilkenny have never won a Leinster club football title apart from ourselves.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 07/07/2022 17:38:41
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Replying To Past hurler: "I would say the standard of Wexford senior club hurling would be on par with the Carlow, Laois senior hurling championship.
We just have more clubs throughout all grades so we have more players to pick from an Inter County team standpoint.
From watching the Kilkenny Senior club matches the speed and intensity is a lot higher." Not sure I agree, club team (senior) played challenges against Kilkenny teams earlier this year and well able to go toe to toe.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1436 - 07/07/2022 21:52:42
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Replying To FootballRising: "From what I hear back from the county board meetings, Leinster never entered delegates/top table minds, they just wanted hurling before football full stop" In fairness Leinster shouldn't have entered their minds. Out of the 49 clubs in Wexford, a maximum of 6 will play in Leinster championships. Our decisions about Wexford championships should not be based on doing what is best of such a small number of teams.
Having said that, I still believe we should be going back to hurling, football on alternate weeks.
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It's only 3 years since a wexford team were in an all Ireland final in football. Only a point down at half time and the class off a Kerry team to destroy them in the second half. Shels we're very good last year also in the Leinster semi final and very unlucky on the day
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Replying To Wexfordgaa: "It's only 3 years since a wexford team were in an all Ireland final in football. Only a point down at half time and the class off a Kerry team to destroy them in the second half. Shels we're very good last year also in the Leinster semi final and very unlucky on the day" They were. They still didn't get to a final though. I meant senior club finals. We haven't won any all ireland club hurling finals at Intermediate or Junior either though Fethard came close in a Junior final. Only Wexford club to get to an AI hurling final at Intermediate or Junior.
Apart from Cushinstown reaching the AI Junior final that time Kilanerin won a Leinster Intermediate final at football but didn't make the AI final.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 08/07/2022 12:00:24
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