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are oulart that strong or were taghmon just bad?
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Replying To Onfor15: "In no particular order:
Gorey
Rapps
Shels
St Martin's
Glynn
Ferns
St Anne's
Rathnure
Harriers
Crossabeg
Cloughbawn
Oylegate" Oylegate beat Shels yesterday. Harriers made QFs last year. Martins were in a relegation Final. Not sure of your logic or selections there lad.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16566 - 03/07/2022 14:18:19
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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "are oulart that strong or were taghmon just bad?" Not sure we are isolating on account of covid so I didn't make the game and haven't been talking to anyone since . We lost to Oylegate by 20 something points last year after beating Bunclody. We are inconsistent that's for sure.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16566 - 03/07/2022 14:19:58
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Replying To Viking66: "Feeling better now WEX98?!" I'm always in good form Viking.
They took my advice, Podge was 14, 15, 12, 11, 10 and 13.
Shane Reck being back was massive, if we had of hurled like that against Ferns we'd be sitting on 4 points now.
Still improvements to be made in the fowards, Casey and Jack Reck yet to fire.
Goal keeper and back solid, Damo flying.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 546 - 03/07/2022 18:05:12
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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "are oulart that strong or were taghmon just bad?" Oulart are too strong for Intermediate. I expect them to win it handily enough. Might be wrong but they'll be desperate to get out of it, a club with there prestige
Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 03/07/2022 19:52:36
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Replying To Yellowhelmet: " Replying To Viking66: "[quote=beano: "A look ahead to this weekend's senior ties.
St.Anne's-Cloughbawn: I saw enough in Cloughbawn during the week to believe they'll be competitive across their remaining games. Whitty was obviously the stand-out, but they could probably get more out of Connal Flood and Harry and Colm Kehoe which is encouraging. Reading the report of the Anne's game, it seemed Mogie was the difference vs Crossabeg. I always seem to write off St.Anne's, but my eye-test has me swaying towards a vital win for Cloughbawn
Oylegate-Shelmaliers: Oylegate went down tame enough to Ferns in the end, with some observers here voicing concerns about the lack of a defined game-plan. Shels were made work for victory against a depleted St.Martin's side, but came good in the final quarter. They arguably have the strongest panel in the entire grade, compared to Oylegate who need all their big guns on the pitch at the same time (Shane Reck absent the last day). Can only see a Shels win here.
Rathnure-St.Martin's: the Martin Quigley derby one might say. I was disappointed in Rathnure mid-week, having felt they would give Rapps a good rattle. St.Martin's perhaps exceeded expectations given their own personnel absences, but will need ROC back ASAP if they are to have any chance of contention in the long-run. Hard one to call really as both have room for improvement, hesitant vote for Martin's to put Rathnure on the back-foot early on in a tough group.
Naomh Eanna-Glynn: I was impressed in Gorey when they got their shape right, and could possibly have the best starting 15 in the championship, especially with Gary Molloy and Cathal Dunbar still to come back in. I would assume David Clarke will be assigned Conor Mac after limiting Chin to just one point from play the last day, although O'Regan is almost certainly going to be in his vicinity at all times too. At the other end, Glynn will hope to feed enough ball into White, who was on fire the last day. Probably the most appealing match on paper of the weekend, but on the basis that Glynn are wildly inconsistent against the top teams, Naomh Eanna to nick it.
Crossabeg-Faythe Harriers: if I was disappointed at Rathnure's showing, I was aghast at the Harriers. It hasn't really clicked for them yet in spite of furnishing an All Star hurler in Chin with plenty of very talented youngsters. I wouldn't be surprised if Crossabeg raised their game against them too, Anne's found them hard to shake off, but I feel this is a must-win game more so for the Harriers (they have Gorey next) than Crossabeg, who may be eyeing up Cloughbawn as a veritable four-pointer next weekend. Harriers to win.
Ferns-Rapps: potentially a humdinger between two sides in different districts but geographical rivals all the same. On paper, Ferns have as good a fifteen as anyone, Morris is revitalised after his injury troubles, and the likes of Byrne-Dunbar and Diarmuid Doyle add a bit of class up there too. Kevin Foley was probably the player of the midweek games, and Rapps have their set-up learned off like a fine art at this stage. I just think it's about time Ferns went and won a game against a contender, no better time than now." Anne's Shels Martin's Glynn Crossabeg Rapps"
Shels by 5
Rathnure by 1
Gorey by 7
Harriers by 4
Ferns by 1"]Time to retire from making predictions.
Yellowhelmet (Australia) - Posts: 155 - 03/07/2022 21:02:11
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To beano: "A look ahead to this weekend's senior ties.
St.Anne's-Cloughbawn: I saw enough in Cloughbawn during the week to believe they'll be competitive across their remaining games. Whitty was obviously the stand-out, but they could probably get more out of Connal Flood and Harry and Colm Kehoe which is encouraging. Reading the report of the Anne's game, it seemed Mogie was the difference vs Crossabeg. I always seem to write off St.Anne's, but my eye-test has me swaying towards a vital win for Cloughbawn
Oylegate-Shelmaliers: Oylegate went down tame enough to Ferns in the end, with some observers here voicing concerns about the lack of a defined game-plan. Shels were made work for victory against a depleted St.Martin's side, but came good in the final quarter. They arguably have the strongest panel in the entire grade, compared to Oylegate who need all their big guns on the pitch at the same time (Shane Reck absent the last day). Can only see a Shels win here.
Rathnure-St.Martin's: the Martin Quigley derby one might say. I was disappointed in Rathnure mid-week, having felt they would give Rapps a good rattle. St.Martin's perhaps exceeded expectations given their own personnel absences, but will need ROC back ASAP if they are to have any chance of contention in the long-run. Hard one to call really as both have room for improvement, hesitant vote for Martin's to put Rathnure on the back-foot early on in a tough group.
Naomh Eanna-Glynn: I was impressed in Gorey when they got their shape right, and could possibly have the best starting 15 in the championship, especially with Gary Molloy and Cathal Dunbar still to come back in. I would assume David Clarke will be assigned Conor Mac after limiting Chin to just one point from play the last day, although O'Regan is almost certainly going to be in his vicinity at all times too. At the other end, Glynn will hope to feed enough ball into White, who was on fire the last day. Probably the most appealing match on paper of the weekend, but on the basis that Glynn are wildly inconsistent against the top teams, Naomh Eanna to nick it.
Crossabeg-Faythe Harriers: if I was disappointed at Rathnure's showing, I was aghast at the Harriers. It hasn't really clicked for them yet in spite of furnishing an All Star hurler in Chin with plenty of very talented youngsters. I wouldn't be surprised if Crossabeg raised their game against them too, Anne's found them hard to shake off, but I feel this is a must-win game more so for the Harriers (they have Gorey next) than Crossabeg, who may be eyeing up Cloughbawn as a veritable four-pointer next weekend. Harriers to win.
Ferns-Rapps: potentially a humdinger between two sides in different districts but geographical rivals all the same. On paper, Ferns have as good a fifteen as anyone, Morris is revitalised after his injury troubles, and the likes of Byrne-Dunbar and Diarmuid Doyle add a bit of class up there too. Kevin Foley was probably the player of the midweek games, and Rapps have their set-up learned off like a fine art at this stage. I just think it's about time Ferns went and won a game against a contender, no better time than now." Anne's Shels Martin's Glynn Crossabeg Rapps"
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16566 - 04/07/2022 09:55:16
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To alwaysasub: "Right predictions for the weekend
Senior Hurling
St. Annes v Cloughbawn
Annes put in a strong finish to defeat a difficult Ballymurn side, relying on a unusually quiet Dee to see them through. Cloughbawn put it up to Gorey for long periods until the switch of McDonald changed the game, I still think they will have just enough to see off a Cloughabwn side but I do not see much between the teams. ANNES WIN.
Oylegate v Shelmaliers
Oylegate never really threatened to defeat Ferns last weekend with Ferns deploying tow men on Podge which seem to stop them. Shels were above average for how they can play but again like other teams expect them to improve as they go along. SHELS TO WIN.
Rathnure v St. Martins
The Blackstairs men were the biggest disappointment for me last weekend as I expected to see them carry on their league form, defeated easily. Expect to see a bit of a kick out of them but would thin the Martins should really still have enough for them even without their influential players. MARTIN WINS BY 3
Naomh Eanna v Glynn-Barntown
A very interesting tie, both got wins last weekend comfortably so I would imagine this will be a tight affair. I think it will be a tale for the two full forwards. If Glynn can hold off Mac they might get the win while if Gorey stop Ronan White, full forward for Glynn, Gorey should see it through. A hesitant Gorey win by 2 points.
Ballymurn v Faythe Harriers
Having watching Harriers last week, I though they were poor, short passing game broke down at many stages, feel they have the players to just play 15 on 15. Ballymurn put it up to the Annes and were unlucky not to get the win. I think there could be a bit of a surprise in this one, Ballymurn to win.
Rapparees v Ferns
Both got victories last week. Lot of question surrounding how Rapps would continue on this year and they looked impressive enough in their first outing, never under any pressure. Ferns beat Oylegate very confortably but i think the Rapps might have just too much for them, Rapps to get get a second win.
Intermediate
Askamore v Bunclody
Alot closer than it would if been in previous years due to the fact of the amount of players Bunclody are missing. I know askmaore defeated Adamstown in the first game, who I think were poor so i'm going for a hesitant Bunclody victory. BUNCLODY WIN
Fethard v Adamstown
Fethard struggled at times last weekend against newly promoted Tara Rocks but finished strongly, expect them to continue on and improve as the competition goes on, Adamstown only scored 12 points last weekend, think Fethard by 6. FETHARD WIN
Oulart The Ballagh v Taghmon-Camross
Oulart looked unstoppable last week against what must be said a very poor Ballygarrett side but should see off Taghmon who were very poor for periods again Blackwater last week. OULART WIN
Blackwater V St. James
The seaside men were very poor against Taghmon last week while St, James while bet by 10 points were impressive again a young Alley side. Blackwater to improve but the Ramsgrange men should pick up a first win. JAMES WIN by 6.
Ballygarrett v Buffers Alley
The newly promoted side already look like a team that will be fighted relegation albeit they will have played the two strongest teams in the group. Alley were impressive on Tuesday and play a nice brand of hurling, think they could be outsides for the championship. Expect them to win confortably here. ALLEY TO WIN BY 8
Tara Rocks v Gusserane
I think two evenly matched teams, Rocks were close to Fethard for most of the match while Gusserane bet a depleted Bunclody side. I think Gusserane will pick up their second victory," Askamore Fethard Taghmon* Jimmy's Alley Gusserane *- never back against your own!!!"
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16566 - 04/07/2022 09:56:27
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Was at the two games in Gorey yesterday evening. Some crowd. Huge shock in the first one with Ballygarrett beating Buffers Alley. They deserved it though, getting three goals (all pretty much identical) in the first twelve minutes and their fourth a few minutes before the end to seal it. They set up with a sweeper which gave them better structure and its amazing what a week can do in hurling. Buffers Alley were down about half a dozen from last week, but cannot be happy with their display. Won't be in contention on the basis of yesterday.
Ferns were excellent in the second half. Genuinely one of the most dominant displays I've seen in a while. The two Murphys, substitute James Tonks and particularly Ciaran Roberts drove them on defensively. Ian Byrne really showed up when it matteted up front, and the remarkable thing is that they still won despite Morris, Byrne Dunbar and Doyle hitting a point between them. You'd imagine there's scope for improvement there. Lawlor was excellent in goal- I'd give him a proper run next year.
Rapps were efficient without being spectacular in the opening half, although Ricky Fox and Kevin Foley were the only two starting forwards to score. They went eight points up, largely on the back of placed balls including a dubious penalty (saved but rebound followed in), but the well dried up thereafter. Four points came from their half-back line, and Jack Kelly in particular looked good there.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1502 - 04/07/2022 11:15:23
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I think some of the weekends results shows us that there is nothing between alot of teams Senior (we probably already knew that of course), Shels were 1/8 on to win and Oylegate still looked very comfortable beating them!, Ballygarrett beating Buffers Alley in Intermediate another massive shock, I know Alley were missing a few but still after the beating Ballygarrett took in the first game. Bar intermediate, the rest of the grades are shaping up to be very competitive.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 493 - 04/07/2022 11:18:18
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Replying To Viking66: "Oylegate beat Shels yesterday. Harriers made QFs last year. Martins were in a relegation Final. Not sure of your logic or selections there lad." You can't just base it on one weekend or one shortened season.
Yes Oylegate got the better of the Shels yesterday, but that doesn't mean they automatically become a top 8 team.
Yes last year St Martin's were in a relegation final (after a poorly designed championship). Their opponents last year in the championship were Ferns, Glynn and Gorey. They lost to Ferns by a point and drew with Gorey. That is easily top 8 form.
In the last 5 seasons the Harriers have only 1 win against any of the teams I've listed in the top 8. Just because they made a quarter final does not mean they are better than a team who didn't. They are consistently in the weakest 4 senior teams over the last 4/5 years and yeaterday's result is more evidence of that.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 04/07/2022 11:58:13
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I know a few Harriers men and I heard the management team (one in particular) is proving divisive down there. They are built on a Feile winning team and should be doing better really with the players they have.
I would say every Intermediate team has given up the ghost for this year. It was a farce that either St. Martins or Oulart ended up down there after as Onfor15 points out was a poorly designed championship. Law of unintended consequences.
Senior is wide open, what a difference a week makes for Oylegate, after being abject v Ferns to then turn over Shelmaliers.
Rathnure look to be in trouble and it could be them v Cloughbawn for relegation but a long way to go for all teams.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I know a few Harriers men and I heard the management team (one in particular) is proving divisive down there. They are built on a Feile winning team and should be doing better really with the players they have.
I would say every Intermediate team has given up the ghost for this year. It was a farce that either St. Martins or Oulart ended up down there after as Onfor15 points out was a poorly designed championship. Law of unintended consequences.
Senior is wide open, what a difference a week makes for Oylegate, after being abject v Ferns to then turn over Shelmaliers.
Rathnure look to be in trouble and it could be them v Cloughbawn for relegation but a long way to go for all teams." I'd say Fethard will still have a say.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16566 - 04/07/2022 16:02:34
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I know a few Harriers men and I heard the management team (one in particular) is proving divisive down there. They are built on a Feile winning team and should be doing better really with the players they have.
I would say every Intermediate team has given up the ghost for this year. It was a farce that either St. Martins or Oulart ended up down there after as Onfor15 points out was a poorly designed championship. Law of unintended consequences.
Senior is wide open, what a difference a week makes for Oylegate, after being abject v Ferns to then turn over Shelmaliers.
Rathnure look to be in trouble and it could be them v Cloughbawn for relegation but a long way to go for all teams." Saw the harriers v Glynn game and was very disappointed with the harriers. Think the problem they have is that the team is made up of a few lads nearing the end of their hurling careers , a good few starting their senior hurling and very few in between. The guys from the Feile team are still only 19/20.
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 04/07/2022 16:17:17
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Replying To Onfor15: "You can't just base it on one weekend or one shortened season.
Yes Oylegate got the better of the Shels yesterday, but that doesn't mean they automatically become a top 8 team.
Yes last year St Martin's were in a relegation final (after a poorly designed championship). Their opponents last year in the championship were Ferns, Glynn and Gorey. They lost to Ferns by a point and drew with Gorey. That is easily top 8 form.
In the last 5 seasons the Harriers have only 1 win against any of the teams I've listed in the top 8. Just because they made a quarter final does not mean they are better than a team who didn't. They are consistently in the weakest 4 senior teams over the last 4/5 years and yeaterday's result is more evidence of that." That's only the last few years for the Harriers. They should be improving in the next few years with some of the excellent young players they have.
Fethard last year drew with both Rapps and Ferns, in 60 minutes, 2 of your top 8 teams, and still got relegated. In 2019 they beat the Martins who went on to win it.
In 2019 Oulart drew with Glynn and beat Gorey. Rathnure drew with Glynn and only lost by 1 point to Shels and Gorey.
I think it's too simplistic to say there is a top 8 who are well clear of the next 4. Fethard and Oulart would surely be not far off that group of 4 either.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16566 - 04/07/2022 16:20:31
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Replying To Viking66: "I'd say Fethard will still have a say." Fethard would probably give Oulart some sort of game but it's very hard to look past Oulart for Intermediate. Gusserane are looking decent too but Oulart gave them an awful tanking in the league. It's really Oulart to loose.
Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 04/07/2022 16:27:00
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Replying To Viking66: "That's only the last few years for the Harriers. They should be improving in the next few years with some of the excellent young players they have.
Fethard last year drew with both Rapps and Ferns, in 60 minutes, 2 of your top 8 teams, and still got relegated. In 2019 they beat the Martins who went on to win it.
In 2019 Oulart drew with Glynn and beat Gorey. Rathnure drew with Glynn and only lost by 1 point to Shels and Gorey.
I think it's too simplistic to say there is a top 8 who are well clear of the next 4. Fethard and Oulart would surely be not far off that group of 4 either." Hold on a second. I did not say the top 8 were WELL clear of the rest.
You asked me to name my top 8 teams in a hypothetical 8 team senior championship and I did. Then you challenged my logic and then I explained my logic.
On the intermediate issue, Fethard will hardly be able to keep the Oulart lads warm. If they meet, I'd expect Oulart to win by 15-20 points at least.
When compared with last year, Fethard have a far weaker team.
What is your top 8 as a matter of interest?
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 04/07/2022 18:46:58
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Replying To Finchfurlong996: "Fethard would probably give Oulart some sort of game but it's very hard to look past Oulart for Intermediate. Gusserane are looking decent too but Oulart gave them an awful tanking in the league. It's really Oulart to loose." Oulart look way too good for Intermediate.
Had a bad year last in senior but seem intent on going straight back up.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 970 - 04/07/2022 20:48:06
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Replying To Finchfurlong996: "Fethard would probably give Oulart some sort of game but it's very hard to look past Oulart for Intermediate. Gusserane are looking decent too but Oulart gave them an awful tanking in the league. It's really Oulart to loose." Agree Oulart are definitely favourites. But once it gets to the knockout stages anything might happen. Gusserane have a tidy team for sure. And have been building at hurling from underage upwards over the last good few years.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16566 - 05/07/2022 07:49:38
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Oulart will breeze through the group stages (Probably already qualified) but there will be plenty of teams fancying an upset once it comes to knockout.
You'd be a brave man / woman backing them at this early stage.
rossytilidie (Wexford) - Posts: 300 - 05/07/2022 08:52:12
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