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Replying To FootballRising: "From what I hear back from the county board meetings, Leinster never entered delegates/top table minds, they just wanted hurling before football full stop" Footballrising as username with 6 posts:)
hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1150 - 08/07/2022 12:28:14
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Replying To Viking66: "Glenmore and Oylegate both had 2 intercounty starters and other lads on the intercounty panels. Naas also beat Castleknock from Dublin. And Tooreen were Mayo senior champions who won the last 2 Connacht championships beating both Moycullen and Kinvara, Conor Whelans team, from Galway in the 2 finals and reached the 2 previous finals also beating Ballinderreen from Galway in 1 of them. Not sure that Kilmoyleys route to the AI series was neccessarily any tougher." That is a weak arguement stating oylegate and glenmore had 2 inter county starters so it could possibly be a tougher route sure moyne that Kilmoyley beat in Tipp had the Tipperary under 20 captain and the other Tipp top scorer playing, if the other 13 lads are not be up to much. It doesnt make for tougher opposition.
The Rapps had two senior inter county starters v Ballacolla Laois champs and still lost.
The bottom line is Naas bet Olyegate by 7pts and they barely held on to beat Kilmoyley by a single point.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 970 - 08/07/2022 15:56:59
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Replying To Past hurler: "That is a weak arguement stating oylegate and glenmore had 2 inter county starters so it could possibly be a tougher route sure moyne that Kilmoyley beat in Tipp had the Tipperary under 20 captain and the other Tipp top scorer playing, if the other 13 lads are not be up to much. It doesnt make for tougher opposition.
The Rapps had two senior inter county starters v Ballacolla Laois champs and still lost.
The bottom line is Naas bet Olyegate by 7pts and they barely held on to beat Kilmoyley by a single point." Moyne had Bowe and O Connor who were only really subs on a poor enough Tipp team this year. Oylegate had the 2 Recks who are guaranteed starters for Wexford when fit. Glenmore had the 2 Murphys.
The Rapps lads had been playing football exclusively during the couple of months between the end of the Wexford club hurling championship and the start of Leinster and lost to the eventual Leinster finalists. No shame in that.
Anyway I'm just going on what my friend told me. He's a Naas clubman that played for Naas underage and adult hurling and went to all their games as he does every year. Think he'd have a better idea of how they went in different games than yourself tbh. Did you watch any of the rest of Naas games or only the Kilmoyley one?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 09/07/2022 09:02:13
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Was at New Ross for the two games yesterday. The Martin's were very good, shot a lot of wides but were still able to put 1-22 on the scoreboard. Jack O'Connor and Joe Coleman probably the two stand-outs for them, I still can't get my ahead around Jacko, such a great club hurler but doesn't translate that form to inter-county hurling. At times, I feel he gets away with stuff at club level that he wouldn't at county level simply because club hurlers aren't as quick and strong as their county counterparts. I think at inter-county level, he could do with simplifying his game a bit and taking less off the ball. He isn't rapid but he's still good enough to be a good contributor at county level if he just keeps his game simple and doesn't try shots out the field, exotic passes, or trying to solo through the opposition's defence. Anyway, for as good as the Martin's were, I'm still skeptical on them going all the way in Rory's absence.
So far this Championship, we have seen Bad Oylegate then Good Oylegate and now Bad Oylegate again. I think Oylegate lost Podge to a broken finger at half-time who is obviously an absolutely huge loss for them going forward. I think this Oylegate team is just too top-heavy. if you took the best five hurlers from each club in Senior, Oylegate would hold their own; if you took the five weakest starters at each club in Senior, Oylegate would be close to coming last. Oylegate got cleaned out in the middle third yesterday, Jim White was a big loss there for them.
Ferns-Rathnure was a much better game. Corey Byrne-Dunbar scored 2-06 from play and was nothing short of sensational, gave an absolutely ridiculous hand-pass underneath the stand in the second half. Paul Morris and Chris Turner were very good for Ferns too, Ferns moved the ball very well at times and created a lot of scoring opportunities. For what it's worth, I think Rathnure can be happy with their performance in spite of still being on 0 points. Yes, they lost but their performance yesterday was miles better than what Oylegate turned in and Oylegate could be without Podge for the rest of the Championship. Jack Redmond was very, very good for Rathnure, the more I see him play, the more I like him as a hurler.
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 600 - 10/07/2022 12:27:23
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Replying To Viking66: "Predictions for this weekend-
Senior-
Gorey
Crossabeg
Glynn
Ferns
Oylegate
Shels
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Rocks
Fethard
Gusserane
Taghmon
Oulart
Alley" Time for me to give up the predictions game!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 10/07/2022 21:11:55
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The championship is certainly living up to its cliche of being ultra competitive anyway.
Whatever about Gorey going three for three, I don't think many would have tipped Ferns to have a 100% record top of the other group. The mad thing is, even with their great start, they could end up third in the group if Shels and Martin's win their last two games (both have to play Ferns), so it'd be churlish if they take the foot off the gas. Rathnure look in a spot of bother now though, although do have the talent to get a vital win vs Oylegate. I get the feeling that Shels are the most "football" orientated of the contenders in that they rely on carrying the ball and their fitness more than the other teams and they haven't clicked yet.
The other group is ridiculous. Even Harriers have a chance of making it through despite their struggles, and wouldn't be surprised if they actually beat Anne's next week. Huge result for Cloughbawn in the grand scheme of things as I don't think Crossabeg will beat Gorey and at least the former will have a fighting chance against Glynn. Both of them have a six-point better score difference to Harriers which could be huge when all is said and done. I fully expect the last two quarter-final places and the relegation play-off not to be decided for definite until the final day.
A few stand-out results in the intermediate with Fethard and Gusserane both beaten, and especially Blackwater beating the Alley. Aside from Oulart beating all and sundry and Adamstown hardly raising a gallop, it is ridiculously tight across the board otherwise. Tara Rocks vs Askamore next week will be a humdinger- a Rock win will really shake things up. Fethard and Gusserane won't be bad either. Buffers Alley couldn't be in worse form entering their clash with the noisy neighbours- there are a lot of interesting ties in the grade next weekend.
Group B in intermediate A looks to be the stronger and is finely poised. Only one point separates the top four, and any of them could conceivably end up getting top seed. Geraldines are top at the minute, but I think Monageer are probably the strongest team in it. Liam Mellows are already through from the other group, with Shamrocks very poor so far and Duffry and Martin's average.
We certainly can't complain about the entertainment anyway whatever about the overall quality.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1502 - 10/07/2022 21:57:54
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Got to see my first game of cship game in bellefield Saturday night gorey v harriers!!!a very good game the harriers the better team for 45 mins of the game!!gorey in the last quarter were very good lots of scores from out the field,compared to some wayward shooting in the first half!gorey were put under huge pressure for the duration by the harriers they outwork gorey all over the field,the harriers might be kicking themselves as they miss 4 or five easy chances b4 half time to be even further ahead but the lead was 6 or 7 at half time and they were full value for it,lee chin, Clancy,lawlor and Luke Murphy looking dangerous and lively,in defence Richie Kehoe had Conor Mac in his pocket for the whole game which was a massive help to harriers as Mac has been on fire!!!! Second half seemed that gorey were going to go for there scores from out the field as Mac couldn't get his way with kehoe and that they did some brilliant long range scores and Molloy came out around and got some lovely scores too,Charlie MC caught some outrageous balls along with Cullen centre back and it looked like the harriers ran out of ideas as they kept landing long ball down on a crowded gorey defence !!! At the death it looked like harriers were goin to get over the line when Richie lawlor netted on time up after a long free was dropped on by kehoe,who went down with an injury in the process of hitting the free and went off in added time and could be a big loss for them going forward!!!but gorey stuck it out and got two points in added time to get the win in a very good tight game!!!harriers under pressure and gorey look like possible favourites for championship!!!on the night for gorey Charlie,Cullen Molloy up front and there no.5 were very good!!! For harriers chin was good but drifted out of the game in second half,Josh Sheil worked hard Murphy corner forward the same, Clancy very good first half completely out of it the second half lawlor was good!!!Richie Kehoe was the leader and completely kept Mac quiet while driving everyone around him on very good at defending and strong in the air!!!could be a high loss for them if seriously injured!!!
theboys (Wexford) - Posts: 284 - 11/07/2022 08:30:43
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Replying To beano: "The championship is certainly living up to its cliche of being ultra competitive anyway.
Whatever about Gorey going three for three, I don't think many would have tipped Ferns to have a 100% record top of the other group. The mad thing is, even with their great start, they could end up third in the group if Shels and Martin's win their last two games (both have to play Ferns), so it'd be churlish if they take the foot off the gas. Rathnure look in a spot of bother now though, although do have the talent to get a vital win vs Oylegate. I get the feeling that Shels are the most "football" orientated of the contenders in that they rely on carrying the ball and their fitness more than the other teams and they haven't clicked yet.
The other group is ridiculous. Even Harriers have a chance of making it through despite their struggles, and wouldn't be surprised if they actually beat Anne's next week. Huge result for Cloughbawn in the grand scheme of things as I don't think Crossabeg will beat Gorey and at least the former will have a fighting chance against Glynn. Both of them have a six-point better score difference to Harriers which could be huge when all is said and done. I fully expect the last two quarter-final places and the relegation play-off not to be decided for definite until the final day.
A few stand-out results in the intermediate with Fethard and Gusserane both beaten, and especially Blackwater beating the Alley. Aside from Oulart beating all and sundry and Adamstown hardly raising a gallop, it is ridiculously tight across the board otherwise. Tara Rocks vs Askamore next week will be a humdinger- a Rock win will really shake things up. Fethard and Gusserane won't be bad either. Buffers Alley couldn't be in worse form entering their clash with the noisy neighbours- there are a lot of interesting ties in the grade next weekend.
Group B in intermediate A looks to be the stronger and is finely poised. Only one point separates the top four, and any of them could conceivably end up getting top seed. Geraldines are top at the minute, but I think Monageer are probably the strongest team in it. Liam Mellows are already through from the other group, with Shamrocks very poor so far and Duffry and Martin's average.
We certainly can't complain about the entertainment anyway whatever about the overall quality." Think it's been a great championship so far Beano. Apart from the 1st weekend there have been plenty of surprises in the top 3 grades. Just this weekend GOH beating Horeswood was a big shock to me tbh and Mellows beating Cushinstown also. Bunclody beat Fethard. Askamore beat Gusserane.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 11/07/2022 09:19:19
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Replying To beano: "The championship is certainly living up to its cliche of being ultra competitive anyway.
Whatever about Gorey going three for three, I don't think many would have tipped Ferns to have a 100% record top of the other group. The mad thing is, even with their great start, they could end up third in the group if Shels and Martin's win their last two games (both have to play Ferns), so it'd be churlish if they take the foot off the gas. Rathnure look in a spot of bother now though, although do have the talent to get a vital win vs Oylegate. I get the feeling that Shels are the most "football" orientated of the contenders in that they rely on carrying the ball and their fitness more than the other teams and they haven't clicked yet.
The other group is ridiculous. Even Harriers have a chance of making it through despite their struggles, and wouldn't be surprised if they actually beat Anne's next week. Huge result for Cloughbawn in the grand scheme of things as I don't think Crossabeg will beat Gorey and at least the former will have a fighting chance against Glynn. Both of them have a six-point better score difference to Harriers which could be huge when all is said and done. I fully expect the last two quarter-final places and the relegation play-off not to be decided for definite until the final day.
A few stand-out results in the intermediate with Fethard and Gusserane both beaten, and especially Blackwater beating the Alley. Aside from Oulart beating all and sundry and Adamstown hardly raising a gallop, it is ridiculously tight across the board otherwise. Tara Rocks vs Askamore next week will be a humdinger- a Rock win will really shake things up. Fethard and Gusserane won't be bad either. Buffers Alley couldn't be in worse form entering their clash with the noisy neighbours- there are a lot of interesting ties in the grade next weekend.
Group B in intermediate A looks to be the stronger and is finely poised. Only one point separates the top four, and any of them could conceivably end up getting top seed. Geraldines are top at the minute, but I think Monageer are probably the strongest team in it. Liam Mellows are already through from the other group, with Shamrocks very poor so far and Duffry and Martin's average.
We certainly can't complain about the entertainment anyway whatever about the overall quality." I hope as more games are played the standard improves, it should. Unlike the previous years teams can play themselves into form. I suspect that the QF pairing will matter little either as all teams will think they have a chance
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Really good weekend of close matches. Really thought The Harriers would get their first win but credit to Gorey, putting in a strong last minutes display. Rapps getting a last minute goal against Shels, Blackwater beating Buffers Alley which puts them in real bother with Oulart next, and Glynn Barntown defeating Annes. Great to see such a competitive championship.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 498 - 11/07/2022 17:09:23
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Anybody know the logic behind this weekend's fixtures, whereby there are a sprinkling of matches on the Saturday (and nothing at all until 3PM), and a heap held over to All-Ireland final Sunday, with fourteen matches alone fixed for between 10AM and 12.30? I don't see why they couldn't move the couple of games on Sunday evening to the Saturday afternoon either, let lads enjoy the AI without having to worry about being pre-occupied by their own match that evening. Anne's vs Harriers at 6.30 in Wexford Park on Saturday as opposed to the Sunday would surely draw a bigger crowd?
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1502 - 11/07/2022 21:37:08
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Replying To beano: "Anybody know the logic behind this weekend's fixtures, whereby there are a sprinkling of matches on the Saturday (and nothing at all until 3PM), and a heap held over to All-Ireland final Sunday, with fourteen matches alone fixed for between 10AM and 12.30? I don't see why they couldn't move the couple of games on Sunday evening to the Saturday afternoon either, let lads enjoy the AI without having to worry about being pre-occupied by their own match that evening. Anne's vs Harriers at 6.30 in Wexford Park on Saturday as opposed to the Sunday would surely draw a bigger crowd?" Has to be said it suits me Beano. I can get to New Ross and home in time for the AIF. I work most Saturdays and go away most Saturday nights in the summer. I missed our game last weekend because it was Saturday evening.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 12/07/2022 12:20:23
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Replying To beano: "Anybody know the logic behind this weekend's fixtures, whereby there are a sprinkling of matches on the Saturday (and nothing at all until 3PM), and a heap held over to All-Ireland final Sunday, with fourteen matches alone fixed for between 10AM and 12.30? I don't see why they couldn't move the couple of games on Sunday evening to the Saturday afternoon either, let lads enjoy the AI without having to worry about being pre-occupied by their own match that evening. Anne's vs Harriers at 6.30 in Wexford Park on Saturday as opposed to the Sunday would surely draw a bigger crowd?" What is even more baffling is that all 6 last round senior games are at 6.30 on Sunday 24th. So the entire weekend is there to play the games but they fix them late on a Sunday evening. Of the AIF Final. No wonder lads don't want to play.
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Replying To countyman2022: "What is even more baffling is that all 6 last round senior games are at 6.30 on Sunday 24th. So the entire weekend is there to play the games but they fix them late on a Sunday evening. Of the AIF Final. No wonder lads don't want to play." That's only the football sure, no-one would want to watch that, nevermind possibly go to it.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1502 - 12/07/2022 13:35:13
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Replying To countyman2022: "What is even more baffling is that all 6 last round senior games are at 6.30 on Sunday 24th. So the entire weekend is there to play the games but they fix them late on a Sunday evening. Of the AIF Final. No wonder lads don't want to play." They want them at the same time so teams don't know in advance what they need. I know they are stuck for time to get the fixtures played with 2 groups of 6 but they could have had them all Saturday afternoon though.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 12/07/2022 13:57:45
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Replying To beano: "Anybody know the logic behind this weekend's fixtures, whereby there are a sprinkling of matches on the Saturday (and nothing at all until 3PM), and a heap held over to All-Ireland final Sunday, with fourteen matches alone fixed for between 10AM and 12.30? I don't see why they couldn't move the couple of games on Sunday evening to the Saturday afternoon either, let lads enjoy the AI without having to worry about being pre-occupied by their own match that evening. Anne's vs Harriers at 6.30 in Wexford Park on Saturday as opposed to the Sunday would surely draw a bigger crowd?" The fixtures this year have been so stupidly done.
It should be possible for a neutral to get to all senior matches in a weekend. There is no need for any of them to be clashing, except for in round 5 and even then it should only be the same groups on together rather than the whole grade.
As you rightly point out, this coming weekend in particular is just a mess and it didn't have to be like that.
Now that July and August championship matches will become the norm we also need to make more use of midweek evenings to play championship.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 12/07/2022 15:21:37
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Replying To Onfor15: "The fixtures this year have been so stupidly done.
It should be possible for a neutral to get to all senior matches in a weekend. There is no need for any of them to be clashing, except for in round 5 and even then it should only be the same groups on together rather than the whole grade.
As you rightly point out, this coming weekend in particular is just a mess and it didn't have to be like that.
Now that July and August championship matches will become the norm we also need to make more use of midweek evenings to play championship." Well to counter your point I think they should be focusing on having 1st and 2nd teams playing in the same venue, over being able to attend every senior match.
Fixtures are notoriously difficult to do, having done it for blitzes even it sounds easy until you are handed a pen and paper and then "oh such and such have 2 hours between their matches".
A bit like refereeing/umpire/etc, it is not as easy as it seems.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1436 - 12/07/2022 16:02:21
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Well to counter your point I think they should be focusing on having 1st and 2nd teams playing in the same venue, over being able to attend every senior match.
Fixtures are notoriously difficult to do, having done it for blitzes even it sounds easy until you are handed a pen and paper and then "oh such and such have 2 hours between their matches".
A bit like refereeing/umpire/etc, it is not as easy as it seems." First and second teams playing together in a double header is horrible for players and team managements.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 12/07/2022 18:40:47
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Replying To countyman2022: "What is even more baffling is that all 6 last round senior games are at 6.30 on Sunday 24th. So the entire weekend is there to play the games but they fix them late on a Sunday evening. Of the AIF Final. No wonder lads don't want to play." So if they're fixed for 6.30 on the Sunday how does that work for 2nd and 3rd teams in various clubs? Are they being fixed for Friday and Saturday?
It's pretty normal for senior games to take priority and then go down the grades as the weekend commences for obvious reasons.
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Interesting to hear the county chairman talk about the current championship structure and how it came about, saying it was actually just a 2 vote majority in the end yet according to some on here they claimed it was a big majority voted for it!
Comprehensive review coming up apparently
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1536 - 12/07/2022 19:29:01
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