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Well lads that time of year is nearly upon us again! Can't wait! How will Dunbars injury affect Gorey? Or Mcguckins big improvement since this time last year? Will ROC make it for the Martins? Is Joe OC back? Shels will be there or thereabouts you'd have to feel. How will Crossabeg fare out? And will Oylegate make an impression? Be comfortable or even push on with the promotion bump? Will the Recks be right after injury? How injured is Chin and how will that affect the Harriers? Surely Scallan and Lawlor will be buzzing! Rapps are defending champions and must be in with a shout. Anne's were finalists though maybe it was a bit of a surprise pairing. Rathnure can't be discounted and will surviving the relegation series last year energise Cloughbawn ? Barntown have always the numbers. Ferns are usually there or thereabouts.
At Intermediate Oulart swept all before them in the League. While it was only the League they looked very good. Fethard will surely challenge them. Not sure where we will be at tbh. New manager seems popular and we should be fitter.
Any predictions lads?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 20/06/2022 16:24:30
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Have a vested interest here Viking so don't know what to say.
It will be competitive anyway and hard to call in both groups. Depends who is lost to the US for the summer for a few clubs I know of. Some I hear will be back, some won't.
I think the winners will come from Shels, Martins or Glynn. But you could make a case for everybody and there is a bolter every year. I don't see the Rapps defending it, they were worthy winners.
In Intermediate, I think Fethard will win it. I think Oulart think they will walk it but I don't think they will find it as easy as they think.
All just my opinion.
The best thing to come out of Covid though was sense regarding those of us based away. Driving up and down to training ended and there is a level of trust which was missing before.
On that note, may go training.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 20/06/2022 17:53:36
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Its hard to know.
Everything seems so rushed, its like Gaelic Games have become something to get out of the way as soon as possible across the board.
I mean its June and we are at AI semi final stage and now its a huge rush to get the Club hurling done and the Club football done, rush, rush, rush, midweek games, get it over and done asap.
That seems to be the ethos, it seems completely wrong to be looking at club games 6 days from losing in the AI championship in June and for a few clubs a week after just finishing up their league games, maybe im just old fashioned.
Look at the amount of club teams that will have what, literally 2 training sessions with their county players and county players who burst themselves all year and dont even get a break to recover from exiting the AI championship.
Its literally impossible to know where any team stands, rathnure won the league but had a full squad all league, likewise Oulart in Intermediate apart from the injured Murphy. As you mention players with injuries, the Recks missing for Oilgate is huge, likewise if the Harriers miss Chin and the Martins without Rory O Connor, Dee O Keefe isnt 100% etc etc.
It totally seems wrong in my opinion that the teams with the biggest advantage under this rush, rush, rush system we have developed will be those with none or very few county players!! That doesnt sit right that being the case, club teams being hindered by only getting county players back when wrecked.
From talking to a lot of different club men in thurles and over the past few weeks there is a real sense of frustration with the same statement being repeated many times "shur we honestly dont know who we will have or what we will have"
Its a bit of a lottery for a lot of clubs, it would be great to see a new winner, a different name, imagine a club Like Oylegate for example winning it would be wonderful following on from the rapps last year or even Ballymurn.
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It seems rushed on the face of it.
But then, there are 10 weekends required for the group stages of hurling and football.
This alone, brings up to the end of August.
At the end of the group stages, there would be calls for a week off before the quarters, before the semi's, before the final.
There are a lot of games to be fitted in between now and the end of October. I have never been on a fixtures committee but I would hazard a guess that it is no easy task if Wexford are to have representatives in the provincial hurling and football championships.
In our own club, fixing times for the pitches in the club is a hard job to keep every body happy and I have managed it. Yes, they gave it to somebody who was "not from around here"...............
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1122 - 21/06/2022 10:09:07
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On the championship itself, I think the Martins will be hard to beat. I think it every year and they often flatter to deceive.
Wexford must have one of the most competitive championships in the country though. You could make a case for 7-8 of the 12 teams.
I don't see the Rapps retaining it. Oylegate will depend on the fitness of the 2 Reck's, Glynn and Shelmaliers will always be there about. You could have a bolter from the pack like Crossabeg or St. Annes.
Intermediate will be hotly contested and the meeting of Buffers Alley and Oulart will draw a big crowd. But I too think Fethard will win it.
You just don't know and what would someone "not even from here" know!
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Have a vested interest here Viking so don't know what to say.
It will be competitive anyway and hard to call in both groups. Depends who is lost to the US for the summer for a few clubs I know of. Some I hear will be back, some won't.
I think the winners will come from Shels, Martins or Glynn. But you could make a case for everybody and there is a bolter every year. I don't see the Rapps defending it, they were worthy winners.
In Intermediate, I think Fethard will win it. I think Oulart think they will walk it but I don't think they will find it as easy as they think.
All just my opinion.
The best thing to come out of Covid though was sense regarding those of us based away. Driving up and down to training ended and there is a level of trust which was missing before.
On that note, may go training." Think you are senior so good luck this year!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 21/06/2022 10:48:54
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "On the championship itself, I think the Martins will be hard to beat. I think it every year and they often flatter to deceive.
Wexford must have one of the most competitive championships in the country though. You could make a case for 7-8 of the 12 teams.
I don't see the Rapps retaining it. Oylegate will depend on the fitness of the 2 Reck's, Glynn and Shelmaliers will always be there about. You could have a bolter from the pack like Crossabeg or St. Annes.
Intermediate will be hotly contested and the meeting of Buffers Alley and Oulart will draw a big crowd. But I too think Fethard will win it.
You just don't know and what would someone "not even from here" know!" It would be great to see Oylegate win it. Crossabeg either. Someone who hasn't won it lately. Agree its ultra competitive whatever some might say about the overall standard.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 21/06/2022 10:52:17
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Replying To tearintom: "Its hard to know.
Everything seems so rushed, its like Gaelic Games have become something to get out of the way as soon as possible across the board.
I mean its June and we are at AI semi final stage and now its a huge rush to get the Club hurling done and the Club football done, rush, rush, rush, midweek games, get it over and done asap.
That seems to be the ethos, it seems completely wrong to be looking at club games 6 days from losing in the AI championship in June and for a few clubs a week after just finishing up their league games, maybe im just old fashioned.
Look at the amount of club teams that will have what, literally 2 training sessions with their county players and county players who burst themselves all year and dont even get a break to recover from exiting the AI championship.
Its literally impossible to know where any team stands, rathnure won the league but had a full squad all league, likewise Oulart in Intermediate apart from the injured Murphy. As you mention players with injuries, the Recks missing for Oilgate is huge, likewise if the Harriers miss Chin and the Martins without Rory O Connor, Dee O Keefe isnt 100% etc etc.
It totally seems wrong in my opinion that the teams with the biggest advantage under this rush, rush, rush system we have developed will be those with none or very few county players!! That doesnt sit right that being the case, club teams being hindered by only getting county players back when wrecked.
From talking to a lot of different club men in thurles and over the past few weeks there is a real sense of frustration with the same statement being repeated many times "shur we honestly dont know who we will have or what we will have"
Its a bit of a lottery for a lot of clubs, it would be great to see a new winner, a different name, imagine a club Like Oylegate for example winning it would be wonderful following on from the rapps last year or even Ballymurn." What would you do in the current format then and don't say change the format as this is what clubs voted for.
First fixtures are June 28th. Which is 10 days, still not great but as I said what's the alternatives with the existing format.
Some will get a break between the hurling a s football but no doubt one of the big duel clubs will be in the final and those lads will not get any.
Looking at the Wexford panel all bar Rathnure have players most at least two, so that kinda evens out does it not. However it's hardly the clubs fault that they don't have players in the panel and I don't think any club is not trying to develop players to their full potential so they don't get on the county squad.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 21/06/2022 12:02:25
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Replying To zinny: "What would you do in the current format then and don't say change the format as this is what clubs voted for.
First fixtures are June 28th. Which is 10 days, still not great but as I said what's the alternatives with the existing format.
Some will get a break between the hurling a s football but no doubt one of the big duel clubs will be in the final and those lads will not get any.
Looking at the Wexford panel all bar Rathnure have players most at least two, so that kinda evens out does it not. However it's hardly the clubs fault that they don't have players in the panel and I don't think any club is not trying to develop players to their full potential so they don't get on the county squad." I know, i do get the impression though that Clubs kinda didnt realise what they were voting for.
And youre right, there probably isnt an alternative with the current format.
Personally i loved it when we used to have championship games in April/May and then a break for the county teams and back in to championship after and it was alternated between football and hurling.
In regards to being rushed its a reflection for me of the GAA overall, club and county by the way, not just club in wexford. Like i said, it feels like its being done now to get it out of the way asap, why?
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1326 - 21/06/2022 12:10:40
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@tearintom - as I've already pointed out in another thread, the "rushed" nature of the club championships is down to the clubs voting to go back to two groups of six, which means eight rounds of fixtures are needed in hurling and eight are needed in football.
If they'd gone with four groups of three, there'd be far more scope for an extra week or two off now for county players to get back to their clubs, and more scope too for an extra free weekend or two along the way.
Things would have been more "rushed" if Wexford had reach an All-Ireland semi-final, and far more "rushed" again if we'd made the final, because the club championships would still have to be finished by the same dates in order to have Wexford teams in the provinicial championships.
The vast majority of clubs voted to do things this way, so yours was probably one of them. If you're really unhappy about it being "rushed", maybe take it up there next year when your club is deciding on how to vote on structures for the 2023 championships.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "@tearintom - as I've already pointed out in another thread, the "rushed" nature of the club championships is down to the clubs voting to go back to two groups of six, which means eight rounds of fixtures are needed in hurling and eight are needed in football.
If they'd gone with four groups of three, there'd be far more scope for an extra week or two off now for county players to get back to their clubs, and more scope too for an extra free weekend or two along the way.
Things would have been more "rushed" if Wexford had reach an All-Ireland semi-final, and far more "rushed" again if we'd made the final, because the club championships would still have to be finished by the same dates in order to have Wexford teams in the provinicial championships.
The vast majority of clubs voted to do things this way, so yours was probably one of them. If you're really unhappy about it being "rushed", maybe take it up there next year when your club is deciding on how to vote on structures for the 2023 championships." 100% agree.
Still feel its all a bit rushed, you obviously dont which is fair enough.
My club didnt actually vote for it but thats neither here nor there in reality. It will be interesting to see how it goes but personally no im not a fan of the split season. Was always happy going from one code to the other but can see others were not.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1326 - 21/06/2022 12:49:15
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Who's your Tipp for inter A. Horeswood are dark horses for it
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Replying To tearintom: "I know, i do get the impression though that Clubs kinda didnt realise what they were voting for.
And youre right, there probably isnt an alternative with the current format.
Personally i loved it when we used to have championship games in April/May and then a break for the county teams and back in to championship after and it was alternated between football and hurling.
In regards to being rushed its a reflection for me of the GAA overall, club and county by the way, not just club in wexford. Like i said, it feels like its being done now to get it out of the way asap, why?" It's mainly to fit in more games Tom. There are alot more intercounty games. We have gone back to 6 team groups in the grades so there are more club games now too. Both in hurling and football. And the weather and Leinster club series puts an end date on them. Hard to fit it all in. Tbtf I'm not on the fixtures committee.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 21/06/2022 13:18:21
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Replying To tearintom: "100% agree.
Still feel its all a bit rushed, you obviously dont which is fair enough.
My club didnt actually vote for it but thats neither here nor there in reality. It will be interesting to see how it goes but personally no im not a fan of the split season. Was always happy going from one code to the other but can see others were not." I'd use a word like "intense" rather than "rushed". Doesn't sound quite so negative! But think we can all agree that yes, there's a relatively large number of games to be played in a relatively small number of weeks.
For what it's worth, I'd tend to also agree with an earlier point of yours, where you get the impression that "clubs didn't realise what they were voting for". All these things were outlined to them in advance of the vote being taken all right, but I'm not sure myself that they gave due consideration to what they'd actually mean in practice.
For example, I expect some people to complain about how club matches will be fixed for the days of the All-Ireland Finals, even though this was one of the things that clubs were told would have to happen if they voted for two groups of six.
If you mean the split season as in the divide between club hurling and club football, rather than between the inter-county season and the club season, then I think you have a point there too.
The majority of club delegates went to that meeting with a mandate to vote for groups of six, and for a split season with hurling first. Thing is, they didn't really expect the two groups of six proposal to pass, and expected it would be the management/fixtures committee proposal of four groups of three that would pass instead.
So, when two groups of six was agreed, they moved on to vote on the split season hurling/football thing, and stuck with their mandate to vote for hurling first. In hindsight, I think that if that vote had been postponed a few weeks and clubs thought about it again, the outcome might have been different.
But anyway, what's done is done, and there are a busy few months ahead. Whether we call them intense or rushed is a matter of personal choice!
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Replying To Finchfurlong996: "Who's your Tipp for inter A. Horeswood are dark horses for it" Horeswood have been putting alot of work in underage at hurling the last good few years. Like alot of other clubs in New Ross District. Think they have every chance. Cushinstown too. Hurling is given the same emphasis as football as it should be.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 21/06/2022 13:43:30
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Teams will be training 2 or 3 nights a week if they didn't have matches.
Matches coming thick and fast is a great problem to have. Matches beat training any night of the week and few players would disagree.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1122 - 21/06/2022 14:48:04
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I'd use a word like "intense" rather than "rushed". Doesn't sound quite so negative! But think we can all agree that yes, there's a relatively large number of games to be played in a relatively small number of weeks.
For what it's worth, I'd tend to also agree with an earlier point of yours, where you get the impression that "clubs didn't realise what they were voting for". All these things were outlined to them in advance of the vote being taken all right, but I'm not sure myself that they gave due consideration to what they'd actually mean in practice.
For example, I expect some people to complain about how club matches will be fixed for the days of the All-Ireland Finals, even though this was one of the things that clubs were told would have to happen if they voted for two groups of six.
If you mean the split season as in the divide between club hurling and club football, rather than between the inter-county season and the club season, then I think you have a point there too.
The majority of club delegates went to that meeting with a mandate to vote for groups of six, and for a split season with hurling first. Thing is, they didn't really expect the two groups of six proposal to pass, and expected it would be the management/fixtures committee proposal of four groups of three that would pass instead.
So, when two groups of six was agreed, they moved on to vote on the split season hurling/football thing, and stuck with their mandate to vote for hurling first. In hindsight, I think that if that vote had been postponed a few weeks and clubs thought about it again, the outcome might have been different.
But anyway, what's done is done, and there are a busy few months ahead. Whether we call them intense or rushed is a matter of personal choice!" Yep that would be pretty much my view on the whole thing
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Teams will be training 2 or 3 nights a week if they didn't have matches.
Matches coming thick and fast is a great problem to have. Matches beat training any night of the week and few players would disagree." Think it would be less than a few players ExiledinWex!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 21/06/2022 15:06:12
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Replying To tearintom: "I know, i do get the impression though that Clubs kinda didnt realise what they were voting for.
And youre right, there probably isnt an alternative with the current format.
Personally i loved it when we used to have championship games in April/May and then a break for the county teams and back in to championship after and it was alternated between football and hurling.
In regards to being rushed its a reflection for me of the GAA overall, club and county by the way, not just club in wexford. Like i said, it feels like its being done now to get it out of the way asap, why?" Look I agree with what you are saying but the way things have gone in the GAA these days is forcing it down this path. Everyone wants more games at club and county, while clubs play games when the county are playing they don't want to play the most important games without their county players, in the same way that county teams will play the league without some of their best players but not the championship. Everyone also wants to play the Championship in good weather. The players I feel sorry for are the lads who are part of the panel who didn't get any or very little game time and thats quite a few - they are not playing with their clubs in the league not playing with the county either and then all they may get could be 3 or 4 games. I don't know how to solve it there are so many angles and perhaps it never will be solved unless county players become professional and then they have to play the whole summer regardless.
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Think the shels might be the team to beat this year. The Martin's have a huge amount of talent and on paper are probably favourites but something I cannot put my finger on is holding them back and how serious Rory's injury is will have a huge bearing on how they go. As regards a bolter I think the harriers (again depending on chin's injury situation) could go well. They have a number of really good young players who should be comfortable playing senior at this stage.
Intermediate is always a real dog fight and I'll go for fethard to come straight back up
I'll go for Horeswood in inter A and Glynn to win junior
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