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Tailteann Cup 2022

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "I think this new structure will force teams to take the league more seriously. Cavan would be a better prospect in the all ireland series than some of the teams that are in it namely Meath on yesterdays performance. But by remaining in Division 3 or 4 these teams are excluded. I don't see myself how this competition helps weaker counties bridge the gap. It just give them a couple more games in the summer."
No doubt about that, even this year all the talk at Division 2 games was of trying to avoid the drop and the dreaded tag of teacup contenders. Div 2 and 3 will be a real dogfight from now on, which can only be a good thing.

Keephimthere (Roscommon) - Posts: 97 - 16/05/2022 11:17:44    2417590

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"I've no doubt it will take off" - Larry Mc Carthy.
I doubt he believes any of that. The first game this weekend Is Offaly playing Wexford for the 2nd time in a few weeks, can't imagine anyone from those counties Is excited at that prospect. If there Is 500 at that game they'll be doing well.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1653 - 16/05/2022 11:25:40    2417595

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Replying To PK57:  ""I've no doubt it will take off" - Larry Mc Carthy.
I doubt he believes any of that. The first game this weekend Is Offaly playing Wexford for the 2nd time in a few weeks, can't imagine anyone from those counties Is excited at that prospect. If there Is 500 at that game they'll be doing well."
There won't be 1000 at any game . Nothing attractive about any match drawn

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 16/05/2022 11:36:00    2417604

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Replying To PK57:  ""I've no doubt it will take off" - Larry Mc Carthy.
I doubt he believes any of that. The first game this weekend Is Offaly playing Wexford for the 2nd time in a few weeks, can't imagine anyone from those counties Is excited at that prospect. If there Is 500 at that game they'll be doing well."
Rome wasn't built in a day. Proper supporters will support their county as they strive to qualify for the Sam Maguire 16.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7842 - 16/05/2022 11:58:02    2417618

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Replying To PK57:  ""I've no doubt it will take off" - Larry Mc Carthy.
I doubt he believes any of that. The first game this weekend Is Offaly playing Wexford for the 2nd time in a few weeks, can't imagine anyone from those counties Is excited at that prospect. If there Is 500 at that game they'll be doing well."
The fact he made that comment says it all!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 16/05/2022 12:12:37    2417627

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Replying To PK57:  ""I've no doubt it will take off" - Larry Mc Carthy.
I doubt he believes any of that. The first game this weekend Is Offaly playing Wexford for the 2nd time in a few weeks, can't imagine anyone from those counties Is excited at that prospect. If there Is 500 at that game they'll be doing well."
The only reason this might work is that it gets the winner into the main competition which previous versions didn't do. Alas not until 2023 which I think they need to change. The winner should get into the latter stages of this year's competition. I can't imagine that Offaly will be too excited at the prospect of playing against wexford again especially as they were relegated with the last kick of the league. I would imagine that the GAA are hoping that this takes off and works otherwise it is back to the drawing board. The fact that one of the instigators of the Tailteann cup is my own county's county board doesn't fill me with optimism based upon their track record of success in my own county.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 16/05/2022 12:30:24    2417638

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You know something looking at the Tailteann cup
The reaction and feed back doesnt look good
I used to enjoy the old qualifiers
There was allways interesting draws and games
Like you got a big team going down to Wicklow or offlay
You also got some suprise results over the years
I believe every county is entitled to play in the all ire champ

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 16/05/2022 12:34:09    2417644

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Rome wasn't built in a day. Proper supporters will support their county as they strive to qualify for the Sam Maguire 16."
But would they not support them anyway in the league to try and get up to division two to compete for the Sam Maguire 16?? Itw ould be easier prob to get promoted and more interest in the league than this farce of a thing

howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 16/05/2022 12:41:46    2417649

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Rome wasn't built in a day. Proper supporters will support their county as they strive to qualify for the Sam Maguire 16."
Yes and proper supporters will still see only around 500 max at games.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1653 - 16/05/2022 12:43:03    2417650

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Replying To PK57:  ""I've no doubt it will take off" - Larry Mc Carthy.
I doubt he believes any of that. The first game this weekend Is Offaly playing Wexford for the 2nd time in a few weeks, can't imagine anyone from those counties Is excited at that prospect. If there Is 500 at that game they'll be doing well."
Take off like a meteorite. Which doesn't take off, it falls to earth. Hopefully this years Tailteann Cup can stay in orbit with some tasty games of football.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 16/05/2022 12:54:43    2417657

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Replying To PK57:  "Yes and proper supporters will still see only around 500 max at games."
I was in Austin Stacks Park on Saturday for Kerry v Offaly. A cracking game in the McDonagh Cup. Only €10 entrance fee. Great value for a classic. Sadly it wasn't Kerry's day. C'mon Carlow! Such a great county.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7842 - 16/05/2022 12:58:10    2417658

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Rome wasn't built in a day. Proper supporters will support their county as they strive to qualify for the Sam Maguire 16."
Proper supporters? Enough of this snobby attitude you have. Many supporters will have to pick and choose what matches they'll go to, with cost of living and such. Many simply won't go to early rounds as the prestige isn't there, and they'll hold their powder dry until later. No need for you to be so snobby and say that

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 16/05/2022 12:59:04    2417659

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "The Winners of the Tailteann Cup should get a spot in this years qualifiers as a reward. Not next year.
That can't happen because of the timing but to maintain interest it would be some incentive if the winners could get back in this year."
How can you do that, when the Tailteann can only be drawn after provincial semis are over, and the final is later in the summer when the qualifiers will be long over. How do you add them in then?

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 16/05/2022 13:01:36    2417661

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How is New York in this competition? Why are they getting a bye to the quarter final? Why is it regionalised? Why is Longford in the northern section and the rest of Leinster in the southern one? This competition is in its death throes before it even starts

weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 16/05/2022 13:08:17    2417669

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Preliminary Round - South:
Wexford v Offaly
Wicklow v Waterford

Round 1 - South:
Wexford/Offaly v Wicklow/Waterford
Carlow v Tipperary
Laois v Westmeath

Round 1 - North:
Longford v Fermanagh
Leitrim v Antrim
Sligo v London
Cavan v Down"
Replying to my own comment on fixtures,
I'd see Westmeath, Antrim, Cavan and Tipperary as favourites to make the semi-finals, as long as they avoid each other in the quarter-finals.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7842 - 16/05/2022 13:09:22    2417670

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Would I be right in saying that in 2023 being in Division 2 doesn't guarantee place in the All_ireland Series? Unlikely but not guaranteed.

> Lets say a mythical 2021 Tailteann Cup was won by Fermanagh
> And lets Westmeath beat Kildare in Leinster Semi-Final

So - 8 Provincial Finalists

8 - Prov. Finalists = Dublin, Westmeath, Galway, Roscommon, Donegal, Derry, Kerry, Limerick
1 - TC Winners = Fermanagh
Thats leaves 7 next best (League) = Mayo, Armagh, Tyrone, Monaghan, Kildare, Meath, Clare

Cork and Louth - would not make Top 16 and play in Tailteann Cup.

No issue with this, just checking if my understanding is correct.

(It does mean every now and again where a Div 3 or 4 team makes provincial final and/or DIv 3/4 teams wins Tailteann Cup - those teams ranked around 15/16th in the league wont make All-Ireland series. Think that's fine to be honest)

Solo_Run (Leitrim) - Posts: 209 - 16/05/2022 13:18:55    2417680

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It seems that this cup is in trouble already which is a shame- we are crying out for some change in fairness as the current format is not fit for purpose but this does not seem to be the answer

howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 16/05/2022 13:23:33    2417685

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So this isn't an All Ireland competition this year, it is a regional one. How can the GAA consistently make a bags of a competition that is a hard sell in the first place, with a convoluted draw that makes no sense. And the very large issue of a team getting an unfair bye into a quarter final. With the question what happens if that team wins said quarter final?

weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 16/05/2022 13:23:37    2417686

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "The Winners of the Tailteann Cup should get a spot in this years qualifiers as a reward. Not next year.
That can't happen because of the timing but to maintain interest it would be some incentive if the winners could get back in this year."
Completely agree. It would transform this competition. You would probably increase attendances from 1-2000 to about 7 or 8 thousand. This competition's success will be decided by the supporters, not the players.

97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 320 - 16/05/2022 13:27:58    2417688

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Proper supporters? Enough of this snobby attitude you have. Many supporters will have to pick and choose what matches they'll go to, with cost of living and such. Many simply won't go to early rounds as the prestige isn't there, and they'll hold their powder dry until later. No need for you to be so snobby and say that"
He's sounding like roryboys on the Donegal thread, 'real supporters' you'd need to be really bored to go to some of these games, there's plenty better things to do, like watching paint dry maybe,
'Take off like a meteorite' good spot Greeenandred,lol
it will more likely crash to earth like a bloody meteorite, whatever chance it had the way McCarthy and the GAA have set it up it's failed before it's even started.
The Mickey Mouse cup brought to you by Walt Disney Mc Carthy.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 16/05/2022 13:33:30    2417693

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