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Wasn't only Division 4 counties, was it? It existed before we even had a Division 4...
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 15/05/2022 16:49:13 2417258 Link 0 |
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Uh, yes? It absolutely is what I want. As the current system cuts teams adrift, is geared towards the strong teams, and doesn't in any way help the weaker teams. It's all talk but no action from the GAA. They make changes, but completely mess it up for the weaker teams and competition. The GAA is meant to be an association for all, but right now it acts as one only for the few at the top. Not on ages had we so few teams capable of winning the Championship. We need to do all we can to make it more equitable, and help teams bridge across. It doesn't now. They widen the gap to the top, and make up head scratching rules (to split on geographical location, split Championship on League position) which only affect those toward the bottom. It's literally a joke, and you can't see it. I've given the stats earlier in the thread if you go back up.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 15/05/2022 16:55:45 2417260 Link 1 |
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realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8808 - 15/05/2022 17:16:15 2417265 Link 0 |
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Dublin's hammering of Meath shows that 16 teams in the Sam Maguire is too much. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 15/05/2022 17:47:30 2417285 Link 2 |
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So one team is competitive and give a good account of themselves against a team relegated from division 1 but won't get to play in the all ireland competition while another team is walloped by a team relegated by division 1 can. This shows a flaw in the new structure that's been introduced. I have nothing against meath but i am sure the pundits on the sunday game will make all sorts of excuses for meath which isn't afforded to other teams; will be listening closely. Leinster football is in a bad place which is disappointing for everyone in the province. wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 2116 - 15/05/2022 18:07:56 2417296 Link 2 |
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Westmeath had a chance to be promoted to division 2 this year and weren't while Meath stayed up in division 2, you can't decide AI placings on how a team do in an individual game.
PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1664 - 15/05/2022 18:40:01 2417319 Link 3 |
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It was confined to division 4 counties.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1600 - 15/05/2022 18:44:52 2417323 Link 0 |
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But Division 4 didn't exist until 2008, the last year of the competition. It was abolished after that
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 15/05/2022 19:02:51 2417337 Link 0 |
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So you do want teams pushed up the ladder without them having to actually put in the work to get there? You also keep going on about there not being too many teams capable of winning the championship. How is that different to any other era? Before you say it the 90s was a one off. For a man so into stats you can look it up. You and others are trying to make up something that's not true. Div 1 isn't a closed shop no matter what you and your "stats" think. You're trying to claim teams had more chance of winning the All Ireland pre 2008 something that again isn't the case. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 15/05/2022 19:09:52 2417347 Link 0 |
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But they are in Division 3 that's where they are at and would trounced by the Dubs anyway.
Backheel (Leitrim) - Posts: 206 - 15/05/2022 19:43:35 2417367 Link 0 |
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Well this Tailteann Cup sure as hell is causing some heckles to be raised. Can I add to the madness by suggesting that splitting it into north and south is the death nell for it. The best selling point it had was the prospect of a few novel pairings. As for all the nonsense about giving weaker counties a leg up for the sake of it wasn't that the case since the GAA was formed. They were allowed to pretend they were serious contenders for provincial champions when they hadn't a prayer. Rossieforever (Roscommon) - Posts: 105 - 15/05/2022 19:51:03 2417372 Link 2 |
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How can they work up when the system is set against them? Like tell me how this system is a good setup and will be for their benefit overall? When it had clearly been set up so badly that the gap is widening? Like please tell me how I'm wrong and you're right here...
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 15/05/2022 20:04:24 2417382 Link 1 |
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The GAA created a 2nd tier competition while persisting with a provincial championship that in two weeks time will see Dublin as champions for the 17th time in 20 years and the 12th time in a row. Why not bring back the Connacht Hurling championship while they're at it. PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1664 - 15/05/2022 20:53:37 2417410 Link 1 |
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So the draw for T Cup is finally upon us. Offaly would be my bet to win it. Serious management team, committed players and good young players coming through. If the Cavan lads stick around they will waltz through but most heading overseas I believe. Once the first round is over teams remaining will really be up for it. I know it has its knockers but these could turn out to be cracking games.
Keephimthere (Roscommon) - Posts: 119 - 15/05/2022 21:10:03 2417419 Link 1 |
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The top 3 in Division 2 were a step above the rest. Roscommon, Galway and Derry have all made their provincial finals. Galway and Derry impressing in beating Division 1 opponents. 12 teams realistically were going to battle for provincial titles. The 4 other teams in the qualifiers need the opportunity to try and close the gap. The good news for Tailteann teams is that 12 of them realistically can win it. The best 4 of that 12 can gain some positive momentum from getting to the semi-finals. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8974 - 15/05/2022 21:16:42 2417423 Link 0 |
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But it's not against them. Since 2008 Limerick and Clare have been in All Ireland quarter finals. Tipp have been in two semi finals as have Wexford. Fermanagh, Wicklow and Antrim have had some of their best ever seasons. Monaghan have established themselves in Div 1 and have had one of their best era. The same can be said for Roscommon. The system is there for teams to process. Your "system" rewards teams just for the sake of it. Now tell us how yours benefits anyone? Are you trying to claim the likes of Wicklow and Carlow are suddenly going to start winning Leinster titles? Or Leitrim are going to challenge fir All-Irelands? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 15/05/2022 21:34:49 2417432 Link 0 |
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Only in Ireland would you televise a draw and not show the teams being drawn. offtheditch (Cavan) - Posts: 174 - 16/05/2022 08:45:18 2417468 Link 2 |
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Prelim Round giveitlong (Galway) - Posts: 1289 - 16/05/2022 08:49:07 2417469 Link 0 |
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Preliminary Round - South: legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8974 - 16/05/2022 08:50:47 2417472 Link 0 |
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Please, I'm begging you, go back up the the data I show on Division 1 and the spread and gap widening that exists and has grown since 2015. isolated examples of a team getting a run and maybe a favourable draw to the quarters since 2008 is hardly indicative of a thriving system. The only example it has worked for is Monaghan. Every other you name had a good year here or there, but nothing sustained. Teams like Roscommon get up to Division 1 but get instantly relegated. I implore to actually open your eyes. I've posted on it multiple times above. The system is set for the top teams, and it's nearly impossible for others to break in, and the lower teams are kept adrift with pure apathy. Look at this draw this morning. Offaly Wexford again. They didn't even bother to put in a rule to prevent repeat pairings in the 1st round like they have in the Qualifiers. They. Don't. Care.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 16/05/2022 09:07:26 2417479 Link 4 |