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Tailteann Cup 2022

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Heard a good oul saying there on the radio that a 'camel is a horse designed by committee'
reminded me of how they designed the Tailteann Cup competition.
Lockjaw's idea of an open draw with double headers in central venues is a good one I think.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 16/05/2022 16:47:09    2417835

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "I've a huge problem with this north/south split..how many honestly will travel for Wicklow/Waterford??is it only in the final the two sections come together and play a final or does it happen earlier??id like to see it being a success but have serious doubts..what I'm reading as regards down is a worry,players just don't want to play.."
Semi final is open draw so could theoretically be north v north and south v south

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 248 - 16/05/2022 16:55:57    2417843

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "The FA Cup isn't the primary competition for league two teams. Throwing money at so-called weaker counties isn't enough to improve their standard of football."
Why don't GAA give it a go and see what happens. Throwing money at counties has worked in the case of Dublin and Limerick. The GAA want us all to think that it is a level playing field and if you just win the Tailteann cup, you will be able to compete with Kerry & Co and pigs will fly. If the GAA want weaker counties to be competitive then they need to assist these weaker counties to come up to a standard where they can at the very least be competitive. After all there isn't much wrong in alot of counties so how much would it cost them. It would be better than ploughing money into stadium that are never full.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 16/05/2022 16:59:14    2417847

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "Why don't GAA give it a go and see what happens. Throwing money at counties has worked in the case of Dublin and Limerick. The GAA want us all to think that it is a level playing field and if you just win the Tailteann cup, you will be able to compete with Kerry & Co and pigs will fly. If the GAA want weaker counties to be competitive then they need to assist these weaker counties to come up to a standard where they can at the very least be competitive. After all there isn't much wrong in alot of counties so how much would it cost them. It would be better than ploughing money into stadium that are never full."
There needs to be an improvement in coaching, underage structure leading to senior squads, S&C etc to improve a county's standards and a willingness to do so. Just giving them more money won't do it. I think they need to give them some competitive games, outside of championsip, against counties of a higher standard. Easier said than done.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 16/05/2022 17:36:08    2417872

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Replying To Ban:  "
Replying To legendzxix:  "Sunday 19 June
Example Tailteann Cup semi-finals
Tipperary v Antrim, Croke Park, 2pm - RTE2
Cavan v Westmeath, Croke Park, 4pm - RTE2

Why would people abandon their county in Croke Park, live on national television, when they will stand on the cusp of qualifying for a final and an opportunity to qualify for the Sam Maguire 16?"
Kerry have been doing it for years in All-Ireland semi finals. Maybe you can shed some light yourself?"
Kerry have sold out Croke Park on a Bank Holiday Monday, for an All-Ireland quarter-final.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7840 - 16/05/2022 17:39:17    2417877

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Wexford v Offaly is on gaa go next weekend.

Looks like there'll be at least 1 game on gaa go every round.

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 248 - 16/05/2022 18:25:21    2417899

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "The FA Cup isn't the primary competition for league two teams. Throwing money at so-called weaker counties isn't enough to improve their standard of football."
There's money thrown at Mayo also and they can get nowhere either in fairness. The FA Cup isn't the primary competition but it is still the most prestigious one for them. We are in the twilight zone now where the national league is the most important competition for 'weaker' counties but they concentrate more on the All Ireland, where they aren't wanted by the powers that be. Get rid of them so a new tv deal is more palatable but dress it up as we care for these counties.

weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 16/05/2022 18:54:06    2417906

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I hope it takes off like a meteorite Larry McCarthy says, well i hope he is right but highly doubt it as the PR to date has been non existent and the north south draw news slipped out last week from the blue has damaged the competitions integrity already.

Was said the reason for the North South divide was to make less cost for counties and supporters, so are the counties in All Ireland Qualifiers richer that they dont require a North South Divide in it then?

If thats case that so concerned about cost to supporters then im sure GAA will set the entry fee for Tailteann cup at €5-7 max, be good to see how much it is per game now

Id imagine will struggle to get attendances of 1,000 at any of games until semi final stage.

The news of financial assistance will be made available to the winning county towards a team holiday and a 'Champions 15' will be selected to honour the best 15 players from the competition is a positive for sure however this should have been highlighted months ago, just shows its kinda being made up as go along.


On negotiating the championship rights deals GAA should have forced SKY to show 2 tailteann cup games live as a condition of getting their current All Ireland games.
As mentioned before the decision to start round one of the competition on the weekend of 4 provincial football finals is major PR own goal as all media coverage will be on the finals, to have any chance this competition needs a strong start but its already playing against a strong breeze!


Is it definite that 2022 winners will be entering All Ireland series in 2023?

macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1098 - 16/05/2022 19:04:04    2417909

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Replying To weatherfieldgael:  "How is New York in this competition? Why are they getting a bye to the quarter final? Why is it regionalised? Why is Longford in the northern section and the rest of Leinster in the southern one? This competition is in its death throes before it even starts"
Agree with all this. It's dead in the water. Any competition you join as a booby prize after exiting another is destined to fail. A club is delighted to win a junior b title, but not if they started the year in junior a. The tailteann should have started two weeks after the league ended and forget this provincial nonsense. Teams waiting six/seven weeks after league ends with one provincial hiding in between . Disaster. And don't get me started on the draw . More stipulations than a FIFA draw.

Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 766 - 16/05/2022 19:32:30    2417916

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Listened to Anthony Moyles ex Meath on his experience at Meath v Dublin in Croke Park with his kids at the weekend. Zero atmosphere without a large crowd.

Promised the kids a hot dog at half time. Went early to get hot dogs, no hot food available. Came back with a bag of wine gums as there wasn't much else available, cue major disappointment and tears from the kids.

At half time managed to get two small cartons of chips at a fiver a piece. Tickets for himself and two kids ninety euros as a family ticket wasn't available in the stand he wanted.

No entertainment at half time, if that's how a big game in the All Ireland is treated, The Tailteann Cup experience will be interesting.

Anthony Moyles said he was trying to get the kids interested in following Meath, good luck with that after that experience at the so called premiere home and show piece of Gaelic games

Newmitch (Down) - Posts: 97 - 16/05/2022 19:45:21    2417918

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Replying To Newmitch:  "Listened to Anthony Moyles ex Meath on his experience at Meath v Dublin in Croke Park with his kids at the weekend. Zero atmosphere without a large crowd.

Promised the kids a hot dog at half time. Went early to get hot dogs, no hot food available. Came back with a bag of wine gums as there wasn't much else available, cue major disappointment and tears from the kids.

At half time managed to get two small cartons of chips at a fiver a piece. Tickets for himself and two kids ninety euros as a family ticket wasn't available in the stand he wanted.

No entertainment at half time, if that's how a big game in the All Ireland is treated, The Tailteann Cup experience will be interesting.

Anthony Moyles said he was trying to get the kids interested in following Meath, good luck with that after that experience at the so called premiere home and show piece of Gaelic games"
He should be delighted his kids didn't try eating the 'food' that's usually on offer. Overpriced reheated muck. And check your change.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 16/05/2022 21:50:12    2417947

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Replying To weatherfieldgael:  "There's money thrown at Mayo also and they can get nowhere either in fairness. The FA Cup isn't the primary competition but it is still the most prestigious one for them. We are in the twilight zone now where the national league is the most important competition for 'weaker' counties but they concentrate more on the All Ireland, where they aren't wanted by the powers that be. Get rid of them so a new tv deal is more palatable but dress it up as we care for these counties."
You're not comparing like with like. They don't care because it's not their primary competition and as full time professional clubs they're more concerned with the day-to-day finances being supported by league attendances. A draw against a big club in League Cup or FA Cup can be a bonus for them financially and a chance to play against a higher standard but can't be relied on to pay the bills. Very little similarity with amateur teams playing Gaelic football.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 16/05/2022 21:53:23    2417948

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Replying To Malonemagic:  "Agree with all this. It's dead in the water. Any competition you join as a booby prize after exiting another is destined to fail. A club is delighted to win a junior b title, but not if they started the year in junior a. The tailteann should have started two weeks after the league ended and forget this provincial nonsense. Teams waiting six/seven weeks after league ends with one provincial hiding in between . Disaster. And don't get me started on the draw . More stipulations than a FIFA draw."
"A club is delighted to win a junior b title, but not if they started the year in junior a." Good point, but if winning that junior b meant you got to take part in junior next year, I think you'd take it.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 17/05/2022 07:27:40    2417957

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Some people are struggling with the concept that 2022 is an intermediary year for the football championship structures.
Clare, an established Division 2 team, will most likely face a difficult opponent in the qualifiers and exit the championship.
A provincial winner could exit at the quarter-final stage after their first championship defeat.
In 2023, Clare will have 3 group games. If they lose their first game, they still have 2 more to try and make the preliminary quarter-finals.
The provincial winner will also have 3 group games.
Same applies in the Tailteann Cup. All teams will be guaranteed 3 group games.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7840 - 17/05/2022 07:34:46    2417959

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Replying To Newmitch:  "Listened to Anthony Moyles ex Meath on his experience at Meath v Dublin in Croke Park with his kids at the weekend. Zero atmosphere without a large crowd.

Promised the kids a hot dog at half time. Went early to get hot dogs, no hot food available. Came back with a bag of wine gums as there wasn't much else available, cue major disappointment and tears from the kids.

At half time managed to get two small cartons of chips at a fiver a piece. Tickets for himself and two kids ninety euros as a family ticket wasn't available in the stand he wanted.

No entertainment at half time, if that's how a big game in the All Ireland is treated, The Tailteann Cup experience will be interesting.

Anthony Moyles said he was trying to get the kids interested in following Meath, good luck with that after that experience at the so called premiere home and show piece of Gaelic games"
Why are the counties like sheeple and agreeing to play these matches at HQ?

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 17/05/2022 09:31:13    2417980

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "He should be delighted his kids didn't try eating the 'food' that's usually on offer. Overpriced reheated muck. And check your change."
There is this "culture" in the GAA of playing as many games as possible in big stadiums regardless of the amount of empty seats. And God only knows why.

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 17/05/2022 09:33:40    2417981

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "There is this "culture" in the GAA of playing as many games as possible in big stadiums regardless of the amount of empty seats. And God only knows why."
It's a strange thing alright. When it then comes down to it most of the games are played in the same few stadiums anyway.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 17/05/2022 09:49:13    2417988

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Some people are struggling with the concept that 2022 is an intermediary year for the football championship structures.
Clare, an established Division 2 team, will most likely face a difficult opponent in the qualifiers and exit the championship.
A provincial winner could exit at the quarter-final stage after their first championship defeat.
In 2023, Clare will have 3 group games. If they lose their first game, they still have 2 more to try and make the preliminary quarter-finals.
The provincial winner will also have 3 group games.
Same applies in the Tailteann Cup. All teams will be guaranteed 3 group games."
This is what I'm thinking too. The 2023 Tailteann cup can't be taken in isolation, it's part of a whole new system where league is more important and where all teams will get more championship games.

The Sam Maguire will be a greatly improved competition and this is where these middling counties can start to get more exposure to the top teams to progress and hopefully at some become challengers.

16 teams in the top tier isn't especially elitist and if a county isn't occasionally getting up to that top tier, we'll the Tailteann cup probably is the right level to help that team develop.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4219 - 17/05/2022 09:50:30    2417990

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "There is this "culture" in the GAA of playing as many games as possible in big stadiums regardless of the amount of empty seats. And God only knows why."
Before health and safety was invented going to matches was a better user experience. Hawkers would mingle between crowds in grounds selling ice cream, sweets, minerals. Used to be a great treat if your Dad got you an ice cream and a card of chocolate and ye didn't leave yer seats, cash only. All gone now. Customer care at GAA matches in 2022 is give them what you have, if they don't like it the person behind them in the queue will pay for it. As for empty seats, the GAA hierarchy don't seem too motivated to get more into some games, which might also benefit nearby businesses. Would they ever consider getting a few people from clubs in participating counties try and up the attendance and share in extra revenue generated?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 17/05/2022 10:05:04    2418003

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Replying To Malonemagic:  "Agree with all this. It's dead in the water. Any competition you join as a booby prize after exiting another is destined to fail. A club is delighted to win a junior b title, but not if they started the year in junior a. The tailteann should have started two weeks after the league ended and forget this provincial nonsense. Teams waiting six/seven weeks after league ends with one provincial hiding in between . Disaster. And don't get me started on the draw . More stipulations than a FIFA draw."
The obvious issue with that analogy is that we have had Junior B sides in the Junior A for decades that shouldn't be there because they can't compete at that grade. Everyone can't be at the same table. We tried that. It failed the majority miserably. For tier 2 counties, if you ignore the provincial bit of the year (which is there purely to appease the provincial godfathers into granting us poor peasants the right to have our filthy secondary competition), having a tier 2 Championship which you start in from the get-go based on your league standing is entirely the right approach (from 2023 when all the stipulations and nonsense is gone). Many weaker counties who know they are not ready for the big leagues yet and know that falling upward into the Sam Maguire by reaching a final via a weak route would be kamikazi, will start to ignore the provincial game as a practice match en route to Tailteann Cup. Eventually provincials die out and the second tier structure can realise its true shape and follow the end of the league with less waiting and less complexity. So judge the Tailteann Cup by next year, not this year.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 471 - 17/05/2022 10:38:41    2418015

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