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Replying To legendzxix: "Preliminary Round - South: Wexford v Offaly Wicklow v Waterford Round 1 - South: Wexford/Offaly v Wicklow/Waterford Carlow v Tipperary Laois v Westmeath Round 1 - North: Longford v Fermanagh Leitrim v Antrim Sligo v London Cavan v Down" Ulster and Lenister teams are sick of playing each other. I cant understand why this competition has been split north and south. Was this in the proposal that was passed at congress? What were the benefits of splitting the Taiteann Cup? Its been treated like the Micky Mouse Cup from the get go. Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 386 - 16/05/2022 09:37:41 2417492 Link
Replying To offtheditch: "Only in Ireland would you televise a draw and not show the teams being drawn." What a joke alright, some good games in it for counties at their own level, bit of a downer though for a team like Cavan to have to plough through the mire when they really should be still playing for Sam Maguire, they may just try and win it and be sure of being out of it next season. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 16/05/2022 09:40:21 2417493 Link
Replying To Tirchonaill1: "What a joke alright, some good games in it for counties at their own level, bit of a downer though for a team like Cavan to have to plough through the mire when they really should be still playing for Sam Maguire, they may just try and win it and be sure of being out of it next season." I think this new structure will force teams to take the league more seriously. Cavan would be a better prospect in the all ireland series than some of the teams that are in it namely Meath on yesterdays performance. But by remaining in Division 3 or 4 these teams are excluded. I don't see myself how this competition helps weaker counties bridge the gap. It just give them a couple more games in the summer. wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 16/05/2022 09:51:28 2417506 Link
Only in Ireland would you televise a draw and not show the teams being drawn. offtheditch (Cavan) - Posts: 157 - 16/05/2022 09:55:17 2417514 Link
Offaly away to Wexford in the preliminary was the exact same as Leinster championship. Not great for them. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 248 - 16/05/2022 09:55:49 2417515 Link
Preliminary Round - South: Wexford v Offaly. . . Offaly to reverse their Leinster loss. Wicklow v Waterford. . .Wicklow Round 1 - South: Offaly v Wicklow. . . Offaly in a high scoring game Carlow v Tipperary. . . Tipp by 2 or 3 Laois v Westmeath. . . Westmeath. Changes needed in Laois Round 1 - North: Longford v Fermanagh. . .Fermanagh. Longford a couple of years away from being competitive with a very young side. Leitrim v Antrim. . .Leitrim to cause what would be a slight upset. Sligo v London. . .Tough one to call, home advantage to see Sligo through Cavan v Down. . .Cavan. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 16/05/2022 10:01:29 2417520 Link
Replying To Tirchonaill1: "What a joke alright, some good games in it for counties at their own level, bit of a downer though for a team like Cavan to have to plough through the mire when they really should be still playing for Sam Maguire, they may just try and win it and be sure of being out of it next season." With respect, I don't think we'll be in it next year regardless. I'd be expecting we get promoted from Division 3, securing our place in Sam next year. And isn't this the huge problem? The incentive to win the Tailteann, is you won't be in if next year. And likely most teams who do win it won't be in it the next year anyway if they get promoted. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 16/05/2022 10:05:53 2417524 Link
Replying To Temple56: " Replying To legendzxix: "Preliminary Round - South: Wexford v Offaly Wicklow v Waterford Round 1 - South: Wexford/Offaly v Wicklow/Waterford Carlow v Tipperary Laois v Westmeath Round 1 - North: Longford v Fermanagh Leitrim v Antrim Sligo v London Cavan v Down" Ulster and Lenister teams are sick of playing each other. I cant understand why this competition has been split north and south. Was this in the proposal that was passed at congress? What were the benefits of splitting the Taiteann Cup? Its been treated like the Micky Mouse Cup from the get go." People are over reacting to the North - South split. For the fledgling tournament, they want people to travel. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7844 - 16/05/2022 10:19:00 2417539 Link
The launch is 5 days from the first game, how can anyone think the GAA are taking it seriously with that little build up or promotion. PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1653 - 16/05/2022 10:30:56 2417549 Link
Replying To offtheditch: "Only in Ireland would you televise a draw and not show the teams being drawn." You can say that again. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 16/05/2022 10:40:33 2417554 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "Please, I'm begging you, go back up the the data I show on Division 1 and the spread and gap widening that exists and has grown since 2015. isolated examples of a team getting a run and maybe a favourable draw to the quarters since 2008 is hardly indicative of a thriving system. The only example it has worked for is Monaghan. Every other you name had a good year here or there, but nothing sustained. Teams like Roscommon get up to Division 1 but get instantly relegated. I implore to actually open your eyes. I've posted on it multiple times above. The system is set for the top teams, and it's nearly impossible for others to break in, and the lower teams are kept adrift with pure apathy. Look at this draw this morning. Offaly Wexford again. They didn't even bother to put in a rule to prevent repeat pairings in the 1st round like they have in the Qualifiers. They. Don't. Care." At start of the decade Roscommon were in Div 4 and how are established themselves between Div 1 and Div 2. Clare who would have mostly been a D8v 4 team, and yes despite what you try and say there's been four divisions before, are now established in Div 2. These are two examples of it but you'll just ignore them as well. You can keep telling yourself it's a closed shop all you want but the fact is it's not. There's nothing whatsoever stopping any team from getting to Div 1 none. You can say they don't care all you want but no one will ever agree to your crazy suggestions of just moving teams up just for the sake of it. In what other sport would that be seen as a good idea? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 16/05/2022 10:41:51 2417555 Link
Replying To PK57: "The launch is 5 days from the first game, how can anyone think the GAA are taking it seriously with that little build up or promotion." They could get Ed Sheeran to sponsor it. He's sponsored Ipswich Town jerseys. There'll be more people going to see Ed in Ireland in GAA grounds this year than will go to Tailteann Cup games. That might be because the concert promoters are professionals who's livelihood's depend on publicising these events so more people will go to them. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 16/05/2022 10:44:49 2417556 Link
New York entering at the QF stage is silly. NY would be odds on to lose the first round regardless of the level they enter. You'd expect tipp, Westmeath and Offaly to get to the QF at that stage and they all be looking to draw NY. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 248 - 16/05/2022 10:46:53 2417557 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "With respect, I don't think we'll be in it next year regardless. I'd be expecting we get promoted from Division 3, securing our place in Sam next year. And isn't this the huge problem? The incentive to win the Tailteann, is you won't be in if next year. And likely most teams who do win it won't be in it the next year anyway if they get promoted." Longduff lad; question for you - from the tone of your post is it correct to say that you would prefer cavan to be in sam maguire competition with a slim chance of winning it than to be in tailteann cup with a great chance of winning it? I keep hearing how great it is for the weaker counties ie division 3 and 4 but why is it great for these counties in the grand scheme of things? wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 16/05/2022 10:48:26 2417561 Link
Why are the New York Jets/Giants getting a bye to the q-final? Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3422 - 16/05/2022 10:49:08 2417562 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Why are the New York Jets/Giants getting a bye to the q-final?" They agreed to play away in the QF. Semi and final in Croke park. So they only have to come to Ireland 3 times. But it's stupid because they are very unlikely to play games. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 248 - 16/05/2022 10:54:56 2417570 Link
Replying To wicklowsupport: "Longduff lad; question for you - from the tone of your post is it correct to say that you would prefer cavan to be in sam maguire competition with a slim chance of winning it than to be in tailteann cup with a great chance of winning it? I keep hearing how great it is for the weaker counties ie division 3 and 4 but why is it great for these counties in the grand scheme of things?" I think right now, Cavan are just a slightly better level than Tailteann Cup. Our Championship results since 2019 have been very good, with 2 Ulster finals, winning one. My annoyance is the split happened on League only, where we've not been concentrating on. I would prefer to be on Sam. Like many have said, it's mad we put up a very good display v Donegal, and don't get to follow that up in the Qualifiers against equally strong teams. And to add, if this was the Cavan team from 10 years ago, I'd fully expect to be happy with the level of the Tailteann Cup. But this current team has shown it can mix it with the best, consistently beating Division 1 level teams in Championship. That's my issue overall. I want to also add, I'm not looking at this through Cavan eyes only. I just see the system as not bring very good for other teams either. This cup will more often than not be won by the strong Div 3 teams, who will likely be promoted next year anyway. So who does this Cup really work for? Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 16/05/2022 11:03:49 2417577 Link
Replying To skirge7: "They agreed to play away in the QF. Semi and final in Croke park. So they only have to come to Ireland 3 times. But it's stupid because they are very unlikely to play games." If the idea wasn't stupid it would never have got a look in it seems, it's like a comedy show, televise the draw but keep the camera focussed on Des Cahill!! it's like a Fr Ted episode, like that football game they played on Fr Ted too. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 16/05/2022 11:06:10 2417579 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "With respect, I don't think we'll be in it next year regardless. I'd be expecting we get promoted from Division 3, securing our place in Sam next year. And isn't this the huge problem? The incentive to win the Tailteann, is you won't be in if next year. And likely most teams who do win it won't be in it the next year anyway if they get promoted." Do you understand the concept of meritocracy? When you prove yourself good enough to be considered a Sam Maguire team you will play in it. You can do this by getting to division 2, getting to a provincial final or winning the tailteann cup. Cavan have achieved none of these. So they are competing at the level they have proven themselves capable of playing. Backheel (Leitrim) - Posts: 133 - 16/05/2022 11:13:31 2417585 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "I think right now, Cavan are just a slightly better level than Tailteann Cup. Our Championship results since 2019 have been very good, with 2 Ulster finals, winning one. My annoyance is the split happened on League only, where we've not been concentrating on. I would prefer to be on Sam. Like many have said, it's mad we put up a very good display v Donegal, and don't get to follow that up in the Qualifiers against equally strong teams. And to add, if this was the Cavan team from 10 years ago, I'd fully expect to be happy with the level of the Tailteann Cup. But this current team has shown it can mix it with the best, consistently beating Division 1 level teams in Championship. That's my issue overall. I want to also add, I'm not looking at this through Cavan eyes only. I just see the system as not bring very good for other teams either. This cup will more often than not be won by the strong Div 3 teams, who will likely be promoted next year anyway. So who does this Cup really work for?" The Winners of the Tailteann Cup should get a spot in this years qualifiers as a reward. Not next year. That can't happen because of the timing but to maintain interest it would be some incentive if the winners could get back in this year. Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 16/05/2022 11:17:13 2417588 Link