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Tailteann Cup 2022

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Replying To GaelicLion:  "Can anyone explain why there is a north and a south section without using the words bias,county ,6,anti ?"
It was drawn up during covid lowdown. HQ too lazy to change it since.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4106 - 14/05/2022 15:31:32    2417033

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moc.dna (Galway),
The Sam Maguire 16 will be a competitive championship. The Tailteann 16 will also be a competitive championship, with the winner qualifying for the Sam Maguire 16.
Example groups in 2023 format; (Using 2022 teams)
A. Offaly, Wicklow, Cavan, Waterford.
B. Down, Laois, Tipperary, Carlow.
C. Westmeath, Longford, Sligo, Wexford.
D. Antrim, Fermanagh, Leitrim, London.

Example Preliminary Quarter-finals:
Wicklow v Tipperary
Laois v Sligo
Longford v Cavan
Fermanagh v New York

Example Quarter-finals:
Offaly v Laois
Down v Longford
Westmeath v Fermanagh
Antrim v Wicklow

Example Semi-finals:
Offaly v Antrim
Down v Westmeath

Example Final:
Antrim v Westmeath ... Winner qualifying for Sam Maguire 2024 group stage.

While the Tailteann winner will enjoy the rewards of Sam Maguire qualification, teams getting to the semi-final stage can build on that momentum through the league and provincial championships.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8974 - 14/05/2022 16:56:51    2417045

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Replying To moc.dna:  "It is a big deal, most of the counties expressed their disappointment that it wasn't an open draw, making it more exciting. Cutting down on costs is just an excuse, not one county came out saying they wanted a North South divide, it's just further dilution of the competition."
You moan about everything

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4592 - 14/05/2022 17:05:33    2417046

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Replying To oneoff:  "Or maybe they've now realised that it's a good idea to do it this way? But of course you'll disagree with that as well."
Why on earth is it a good idea? Of course I'll disagree as we've never before ever had an open draw, then split by geography. We've never had it until a truncated league last year, and they decide to go with it fur Tier 2, even though they've never had it main Championship. We're not a big country, and each split likely play each other often in provincials anyway. Do look for any quote from a player or backroom official about this, and they don't want to be drawn solely to teams they play all the time. They want it open, as it should be

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 14/05/2022 18:01:57    2417051

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Why on earth is it a good idea? Of course I'll disagree as we've never before ever had an open draw, then split by geography. We've never had it until a truncated league last year, and they decide to go with it fur Tier 2, even though they've never had it main Championship. We're not a big country, and each split likely play each other often in provincials anyway. Do look for any quote from a player or backroom official about this, and they don't want to be drawn solely to teams they play all the time. They want it open, as it should be"
What exactly is it you want? One minute you're all for changing everything. Yet when it's something thst doesn't suit you you want nothing to do with it.

Not a big country? So if Antrim drew Waterford that's not a long trip? Or if Tipp drew Down? If it was a fully open draw and these draws happened you'd be the first here to complain about counties having to travel long distances.

As I've said before the likes of you and others will never be happy and will find fault with everything no matter what why it's run.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 14/05/2022 18:17:24    2417055

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Replying To oneoff:  "From what I seen only one manager said they were disappointed. Plus it's been pointed out that it's only for this year but sure just ignore that.

The one's that have all the excuses are the likes of you. Had it been an open draw this year you'd find some fault with it."
Obviously you didn't see the comments made by others so. An open draw was the way to go & no I wouldn't have had any fault with that.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 14/05/2022 19:53:47    2417068

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Replying To Whammo86:  "You moan about everything"
Good man, best you can do. Obviously you don't like others expressing their opinions especially when they are directly opposite to yours. It's a great feeling to call things out as they are without being a sheep or GAA employee who can't bear the thought of someone questioning them.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 14/05/2022 20:12:17    2417074

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Replying To oneoff:  "Yet another person going on about coverage. Have Division 4 teams been given wall to wall coverage up to now? What do you suggest? Every game be shown live?

Seeing as you're another who knows everything wrong with it tell us all your suggestions?"
Just like yourself I don't know everything & have never claimed to. Again you obviously don't like people expressing a different point of view to yours.
I have very radical suggestions,
1/Place Volunteerism as first priority.
2/ Return to Amateur Status.
3/ Anyone paid under the table at Club & County level to be reported to Revenue.
4/ Split season as is to remain to give the 95% of membership who participate a defined season & respect. This would entice the thousands who leave every year to remain involved & go on to become volunteers, coaches, officials, sponsors etc.
5/ Sigerson/ Fitzgibbon to be played off in October/ November. If you are a member of a Senior County 24 panel you choose one or the other, let others in College get an opportunity.
6/ Inter County season pared back from the present number of games. The pressure placed on young players is massive, over trained, abused by managers, serious long term health problems from injuries, mental health issues from the pressures applied on these young people.
7/ The percentage of commercial GAA revenue given to the GPA reversed & distributed amongst all the Association.
8/ All TV Right contracts ended when contracts are up & TG4 given exclusive rights to all games for their unstinting loyalty & promotion of all GAA sports & the Irish language. Sky Sports to be removed from the equation once the contracts end.
9/ Full transparency of all voting at Congress with immediate effect.
10/ Gender balance on all Committees, Congress & full time staff introduced as soon as is possible.
11/ Every underage member to be allowed from U10's to U12's to be allowed to play once in a Go Games set up at Croke Park.
12/ Free entry to the Croke Park Museum for all paid up GAA members.
13/ Reinstate the U18 age group or move it to U19 to stop managers flogging U15/16 kids as if they were playing Senior Inter County & preventing the plethora of serious injuries occurring at this age group.
14/ Commitment made to members that our national anthem & national flag will remain as is.
15/ Participation placed as No. 1 priority for all & elitism & the emphasis on commercialism pared back.
16/ No further infrastructure projects carried out without a GAA appointed qualified Project Manager & team put in place & all due diligence & financing in place beforehand.
So there's a few suggestions which should see yourself & others busy throwing a few spears my way. Off the wall for some, way to go for others. Problem nowadays in GAA is the Sheep syndrome, everybody afraid to speak their mind or think outside the Group think.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 14/05/2022 20:52:24    2417105

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Good man, best you can do. Obviously you don't like others expressing their opinions especially when they are directly opposite to yours. It's a great feeling to call things out as they are without being a sheep or GAA employee who can't bear the thought of someone questioning them."
The minute you mention others being sheep you've lost all credibility.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 14/05/2022 20:52:44    2417106

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Obviously you didn't see the comments made by others so. An open draw was the way to go & no I wouldn't have had any fault with that."
As another one pushing for the open draw that's supposed to be the answer to everything explain why?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 14/05/2022 20:54:03    2417107

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Confirmed teams:
1. Fermanagh (3.5)
2. London (4.5)
3. New York
4. Antrim (3.4)
5. Carlow (4.7)
6. Offaly (2.7)
7. Laois (3.7)
8. Wexford (4.6)
9. Longford (3.6)
10. Waterford (4.8)
11. Sligo (4.3)
12. Down (2.8)
13. Wicklow (3.8)
14. Leitrim (4.4)
15. Cavan (4.1)
16. Tipperary (4.2)

County still in their provincial championships:
3.3 Westmeath v Kildare in a Leinster semi-final.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8974 - 14/05/2022 21:59:49    2417135

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Just like yourself I don't know everything & have never claimed to. Again you obviously don't like people expressing a different point of view to yours.
I have very radical suggestions,
1/Place Volunteerism as first priority.
2/ Return to Amateur Status.
3/ Anyone paid under the table at Club & County level to be reported to Revenue.
4/ Split season as is to remain to give the 95% of membership who participate a defined season & respect. This would entice the thousands who leave every year to remain involved & go on to become volunteers, coaches, officials, sponsors etc.
5/ Sigerson/ Fitzgibbon to be played off in October/ November. If you are a member of a Senior County 24 panel you choose one or the other, let others in College get an opportunity.
6/ Inter County season pared back from the present number of games. The pressure placed on young players is massive, over trained, abused by managers, serious long term health problems from injuries, mental health issues from the pressures applied on these young people.
7/ The percentage of commercial GAA revenue given to the GPA reversed & distributed amongst all the Association.
8/ All TV Right contracts ended when contracts are up & TG4 given exclusive rights to all games for their unstinting loyalty & promotion of all GAA sports & the Irish language. Sky Sports to be removed from the equation once the contracts end.
9/ Full transparency of all voting at Congress with immediate effect.
10/ Gender balance on all Committees, Congress & full time staff introduced as soon as is possible.
11/ Every underage member to be allowed from U10's to U12's to be allowed to play once in a Go Games set up at Croke Park.
12/ Free entry to the Croke Park Museum for all paid up GAA members.
13/ Reinstate the U18 age group or move it to U19 to stop managers flogging U15/16 kids as if they were playing Senior Inter County & preventing the plethora of serious injuries occurring at this age group.
14/ Commitment made to members that our national anthem & national flag will remain as is.
15/ Participation placed as No. 1 priority for all & elitism & the emphasis on commercialism pared back.
16/ No further infrastructure projects carried out without a GAA appointed qualified Project Manager & team put in place & all due diligence & financing in place beforehand.
So there's a few suggestions which should see yourself & others busy throwing a few spears my way. Off the wall for some, way to go for others. Problem nowadays in GAA is the Sheep syndrome, everybody afraid to speak their mind or think outside the Group think."
Radical? There's nothing even remotely original there. Just a few of them.

You want third level players to pick what panel to be part of yet suggest the games be played at a time when there's no inter county games. What does that solve?

Why does Sky have to be removed? And don't come out with the same old lines about "it has to be free to air" because games on RTE and TG4 aren't free to air.

There no longer is an U18 age group.

I know you see yourself as some sort of maverick but you're really not.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 15/05/2022 09:44:16    2417154

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Re Item 14 of yer man's rant - its not the GAA's decision as to what the National Anthem and flag might be in the future e.g in the case of a United Ireland State.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2497 - 15/05/2022 10:06:45    2417160

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Replying To oneoff:  "What exactly is it you want? One minute you're all for changing everything. Yet when it's something thst doesn't suit you you want nothing to do with it.

Not a big country? So if Antrim drew Waterford that's not a long trip? Or if Tipp drew Down? If it was a fully open draw and these draws happened you'd be the first here to complain about counties having to travel long distances.

As I've said before the likes of you and others will never be happy and will find fault with everything no matter what why it's run."
I have said numerous times, that the Tailteann Cup needs to work, but done right, with properly linked League, Championship results feeding in, and like a 20/12 split. The way they have gone about this is a job, an arbitrary split, basing it on Covid disrupted leagues, mad geographic groups and so on. What exactly have I not been consistent on? I have been, in wanting something that works, especially for the weak counties as they otherwise do nothing for them.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 15/05/2022 10:22:40    2417169

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Replying To oneoff:  "Radical? There's nothing even remotely original there. Just a few of them.

You want third level players to pick what panel to be part of yet suggest the games be played at a time when there's no inter county games. What does that solve?

Why does Sky have to be removed? And don't come out with the same old lines about "it has to be free to air" because games on RTE and TG4 aren't free to air.

There no longer is an U18 age group.

I know you see yourself as some sort of maverick but you're really not."
Lol.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 15/05/2022 11:12:01    2417182

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "I have said numerous times, that the Tailteann Cup needs to work, but done right, with properly linked League, Championship results feeding in, and like a 20/12 split. The way they have gone about this is a job, an arbitrary split, basing it on Covid disrupted leagues, mad geographic groups and so on. What exactly have I not been consistent on? I have been, in wanting something that works, especially for the weak counties as they otherwise do nothing for them."
Why won't you just admit that what you want is for "weaker" counties to be pushed up the ladder just for the sake of it? Because that's what you want.

You've been consistent it putting out the same old suggestions that people have been pushing for more than 10 years yet won't tell anyone why you think it's the answer to everything.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 15/05/2022 11:17:39    2417184

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "I have said numerous times, that the Tailteann Cup needs to work, but done right, with properly linked League, Championship results feeding in, and like a 20/12 split. The way they have gone about this is a job, an arbitrary split, basing it on Covid disrupted leagues, mad geographic groups and so on. What exactly have I not been consistent on? I have been, in wanting something that works, especially for the weak counties as they otherwise do nothing for them."
The 20/12 split doesn't work as the 12 counties would be adrift from the rest.

This was the failure with the Murphy cup where it was only the Division 4 teams playing each other.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1541 - 15/05/2022 12:30:47    2417214

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Lol."
Ya that pretty much sums you up right there.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 15/05/2022 12:51:26    2417227

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Replying To carlovia:  "The 20/12 split doesn't work as the 12 counties would be adrift from the rest.

This was the failure with the Murphy cup where it was only the Division 4 teams playing each other."
Nailed it. The hope has to be that the stronger Tailteann cup teams will take it seriously and use it to set themselves up for next year and that a rising tide will emerge if counties like Cavan and Offaly set a high bar.

The convoluted draw with a north south split doesn't help though. What's wrong with an open draw with possibly div 4 teams given home advantage if drawn v a division 3 team.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1600 - 15/05/2022 15:23:22    2417246

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Confirmed teams:
1. Fermanagh (3.5)
2. London (4.5)
3. New York
4. Antrim (3.4)
5. Carlow (4.7)
6. Offaly (2.7)
7. Laois (3.7)
8. Wexford (4.6)
9. Longford (3.6)
10. Waterford (4.8)
11. Sligo (4.3)
12. Down (2.8)
13. Wicklow (3.8)
14. Leitrim (4.4)
15. Cavan (4.1)
16. Tipperary (4.2)
17. Westmeath (3.3)

Northern section:
Antrim, Fermanagh, Down, Sligo, Longford, London, Leitrim, Cavan.

Southern section:
Waterford, Laois, Offaly, Wicklow, Carlow, Wexford, Tipperary, Westmeath, New York (enter at quarter-final stage).

A preliminary round is required in the southern section with two fixtures and will involve the teams in the section who did not qualify for a provincial semi-final only - Laois, Offaly, Wicklow, Carlow, Wexford, Waterford.
A further draw will be made to confirm the three pairings for the southern section round 1 games. A draw will be made between the eight teams in the northern section to confirm the four pairings in Round 1.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8974 - 15/05/2022 15:56:10    2417254

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