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It would be great if the Gaa used some imagination Make a day of The Tailteann games Like a 100 meter or mile race race for players rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 13/05/2022 12:58:47 2416861 Link 0 |
The root cause of the mess is trying to keep the Provincials linked to the All Ireland. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 13/05/2022 13:02:33 2416864 Link 2 |
Time. We have to sit it out until the old guard who are protecting those provincials move aside so that a new generation can get rid of them and push on with the rest of the change. If last January's Green proposals had mandated getting rid of the provincials, it wouldn't have got thru. So this is step 1. Getting rid of provincials is the unspoken step 2. Eventually the Leinster Championship for example will simply replace the O'Byrne Cup as a pre-season tournament and so on.
LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 471 - 13/05/2022 13:37:33 2416873 Link 0 |
I think the thing is that something like the provincials plus qualifiers played in late Feb, March, April could be a decent warm up tournament for teams. Call it the New Ireland Cup and being able to get provincial glory and games against new opponents in the qualifiers could be good development ahead of a tiered more league based championship of 2 tiers of 2 groups of 8. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 13/05/2022 14:15:38 2416879 Link 0 |
Not sure time will resolve it. the new generation pushing for position within Provincial Councils will protect their Championship in the same manner as this generation, simply to retain a significant amount of power. The footballers are not anywhere close to a priority when considering change in the GAA. What actually needs to happen is that Counties pull from the Provincial Championship. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 13/05/2022 14:30:47 2416882 Link 0 |
I'd don't really have much issue with the name, just pointing out the facts of it's origin. It was the name of an Athletics tournament. Doesn't really bother me either way, it's the set-up of it I'd have more issue with
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 13/05/2022 14:37:07 2416885 Link 0 |
Do you have to in some other counties? Happy to be proved wrong if so. My own club is Division 2, but is a Senior club. We were a Senior club for 40 years, got relegated, won intermediate first time, and have been senior again for what will be 4 seasons now. In Cavan you go up or down purely on Championship win or relegation playoff. Not League. We've also junior teams in Division 2 too. So quite the mix on abilities there.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 13/05/2022 14:39:58 2416886 Link 0 |
I'm not so sure about that. You've a competitive Connacht and Ulster, and minus Dublin Leinster looks competitive enough most of the time. When Dublin comes back into the pack there (it'll happen eventually) you'll find you'll have 3 relatively competitive provinces, on which a lot of rivalry is based. Munster has always been an outlier bar Tipp 2020 and Clare 1992. Can't see them going. Needs incorporation somehow into a new system, but can't be losing them. I feel you won't realise what you've lost until you get rid of it. Ulster Championship is different level here. Easy talk to say about getting rid of them, but not as simple as that. it's not just old guard holding onto it
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 13/05/2022 14:59:11 2416889 Link 5 |
Very few Counties link Leagues and Championships.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1419 - 13/05/2022 15:20:38 2416895 Link 0 |
Antrim, Tyrone, Monaghan, Derry all do in varying methods.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 13/05/2022 16:01:41 2416900 Link 0 |
Armagh also. So 5 of the 9 Ulster counties.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 13/05/2022 16:06:35 2416901 Link 0 |
As far as I know , no county links them. It was a directive from HQ a few years back.
anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 13/05/2022 16:10:25 2416902 Link 0 |
That sounds good for Cavan, avoiding Antrim. Cavan could probably handle most counties in it, to date. It's just that rematches often go the opposite way. I'm sure Cavan would lick their lips at another shot at Donegal!
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1911 - 13/05/2022 16:30:50 2416908 Link 0 |
I would have thought so alright. Which makes it all the more weirder that the GAA have done so to our jewel in the crown tournament
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 13/05/2022 16:54:28 2416910 Link 0 |
Damn right. Provincials are the problem. If you are keeping them and the league I'd go 4 provincial winners and top 8 in the league. Don't need 16 in the Sam Maguire as 16 teams can't win it. Preferably I'd split league from championship. Senior, intermediate, junior. 12, 16, 10. If it works for club's all over Ireland it should work for counties too. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 248 - 13/05/2022 17:11:50 2416913 Link 0 |
Seen a lot of talk about the north being strong but surely tipp, westmeath and Offaly are as strong as Cavan, Antrim and Down? They be the 6 favourites. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 248 - 13/05/2022 17:24:13 2416914 Link 0 |
New structure is a waste of time so now 4 teams have a chance of winning the senior championship ( in reality only two dubs and kerry). There are probably 6 teams with a chance of winning the tailteann cup and in a normal year no team from division 4 will have any hope of winning it. breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 454 - 13/05/2022 18:14:33 2416923 Link 0 |
Absolute mess from day one. Thanks GAA, can always be counted on to mess something up. FrankieJoe (Wicklow) - Posts: 71 - 13/05/2022 21:27:32 2416933 Link 0 |
Feck all people would watch it
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1708 - 14/05/2022 08:27:19 2416936 Link 0 |
The provincial councils and the county boards have a big say in the championship format. County boards of Division 3 and 4 counties want the Tailteann Cup to start as soon as possible after provincial knockout. There is a financial cost to keeping teams on the road. Financial reasons are influencing the North-South Tailteann split. By allowing provincial finalists as qualifier method, the Tailteann Cup can start as soon as the provincial final pairings are confirmed. This reduces the gap from provincial knockout to Tailteann as much as possible. The Tailteann starting early is why the final is earlier than the All-Ireland final. Preceding an All-Ireland semi-final also ensures that more supporters of the Tailteann finalists can attend the final. People need to be realistic in their proposals, while rightly seeking improvements. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 14/05/2022 09:28:04 2416941 Link 0 |