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Replying To Canuck:  "Pretenders I guess. If that is our best then we do not belong in this championship. Beaten by a better team who were more motivated. Persisting Stephen Bennett driving simple frees wide would make you wonder. At one stage Gleeson ask the ref for protection from the tactics on him. If his yellows today can get you sent off it is time to stick with ludo to avoid any contact. I guess it just become fashionable to send Austin Gleeson off."
Cork really 'turning over a new leaf' defensively if Aussie 'needed protection'. Cork have been a bunch of pussies on defense, since about 2006. Will be a dangerous side, as soon as they get themselves a backline.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 2700 - 16/05/2022 17:28:17    2417866

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Replying To Canuck:  "Viking66 Gleeson sending off did not effect the result as Cork were far the better team on the day. The treatment been dished out to him is just wrong. The ref has the responsibility to protect players and in this case asked for it. There were three frees called for fouls on him. Should all this not and what was going on off the ball seen by the rest of the officials not tell the ref something. We see on other threads where it is up to the player to take it for the team. So would it stop if he did ? I don't think so. More would be dished out. Michael the arc angel would not put up with it. Common sense Gleeson is out there to put the ball in the net or over the bar and we see how he can do this. So can his opponents and the way to stop him is get him off the field. This is a tactic from the other dressing room and disgusting. Planned to make sure different players foul him. Austin is a bit of a loose cannon himself but deserves better as all the best players in the game do."
Need to keep his head and answer any mistreatment on the scoreboard that's the way to answer it much better hurlers than Gleeson often got the same type of treatment but kept their composure. No excuse for him have to have the right temperament.

Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 142 - 16/05/2022 20:12:12    2417922

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Cork really 'turning over a new leaf' defensively if Aussie 'needed protection'. Cork have been a bunch of pussies on defense, since about 2006. Will be a dangerous side, as soon as they get themselves a backline."
Pope_Benedict there is a difference between trying to get a player off and playing hard. When it comes to playing hard Aussie would take on any six of them.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 16/05/2022 21:39:10    2417942

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Think Derek McGrath has been doing a huge disservice to Waterford by constantly overhyping and talking up this current team, it's fair enough to be a passionate supporter but DM is way over the top in many peoples opinion and is putting undue pressure and expectations on these young players.

Galway4ever (Galway) - Posts: 197 - 16/05/2022 21:58:24    2417951

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Cork really 'turning over a new leaf' defensively if Aussie 'needed protection'. Cork have been a bunch of pussies on defense, since about 2006. Will be a dangerous side, as soon as they get themselves a backline."
Dont Know about that, Benedict, For the past ten or twelve years Cork are always capable of one or even two big days in Munster, but after that bang. I was looking at last years team and subs. A huge amount of them were there in '18. The main scorers, apart from Connolly, the last day were Lehane and Harnedy, both players who are well on and especially in Lehane's case do not turn up, when the heat is really on. They talk about long famines in your county and mine, but with their massive pick and huge tradition it is truly amazing they are down so long.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3771 - 17/05/2022 08:06:42    2417961

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Replying To Galway4ever:  "Think Derek McGrath has been doing a huge disservice to Waterford by constantly overhyping and talking up this current team, it's fair enough to be a passionate supporter but DM is way over the top in many peoples opinion and is putting undue pressure and expectations on these young players."
derek mcgrath has been spouting rubbish about how good waterford were for the last 2 months.....any shrewd man would have been playing down watefords chances but he went the otherway he said after league final that we are the team to beat and who ever beats us will be going up the steps of the hogan stand .....he also spoke of the marquee players in the country your cian lynchs and kyle hayes's, he said we have 7 or 8 of those players in waterford and the trilogy between waterford and limerick this year .....i found it amusing when i head him.....

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1044 - 17/05/2022 09:03:02    2417970

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "derek mcgrath has been spouting rubbish about how good waterford were for the last 2 months.....any shrewd man would have been playing down watefords chances but he went the otherway he said after league final that we are the team to beat and who ever beats us will be going up the steps of the hogan stand .....he also spoke of the marquee players in the country your cian lynchs and kyle hayes's, he said we have 7 or 8 of those players in waterford and the trilogy between waterford and limerick this year .....i found it amusing when i head him....."
The trilogy was the funniest part. The unnecessary pressure he heaped onto Waterford, a team with no pedigree of All Irelands was lunacy.

He and a lot of people overhyped Waterford based on the league which year in year out proves to be a false barometer but will people ever learn?

I said before the championship began that it was laughable for people to tip Waterford as All Ireland contenders but w/o my own county as 5th in Munster given we beat Waterford in the championship last year and had Peter Duggan and Shane O Donnell back. How could Clare be perceived as so bad this year and Waterford so good?

I genuinely think that last year's championship is a better barometer of how this season will go than this years championship. Factor in changes in personnel then and make your judgements. That why I always felt Tipperary would struggle this year. They dont have the depth to replace the players lost through injuries and retirements.

There is plenty of logic to the way the season is panning out in my opinion.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2248 - 17/05/2022 10:17:17    2418008

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On a separate note I cant see Brian Lohan making wholesale changes this weekend. It is not his style. With that in mind, I think I saw Clare were 3/1 yesterday with the bookies. They are crazy odds if Lohan sticks to form and puts out a strong team. The only issue would be mentality given we are qualified already.

Personally, I would rest Conlon and Kelly and give them a run off the bench in the second half but anyone we bring in should be chomping looking to stake a claim for a Munster final place

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2248 - 17/05/2022 10:23:35    2418011

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Replying To Galway4ever:  "Think Derek McGrath has been doing a huge disservice to Waterford by constantly overhyping and talking up this current team, it's fair enough to be a passionate supporter but DM is way over the top in many peoples opinion and is putting undue pressure and expectations on these young players."
No body in Waterford takes any notice of him. Just people outside. Personally I think he is sabotaging the team and manager. Whether this is stupidity or purposely or just trying to be relevant who knows.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 17/05/2022 13:50:31    2418116

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Replying To Tiger1:  "Need to keep his head and answer any mistreatment on the scoreboard that's the way to answer it much better hurlers than Gleeson often got the same type of treatment but kept their composure. No excuse for him have to have the right temperament."
Gleeson's fault again. The ref decided to send him off for doing nothing and in fairness the Cork contingent agreed. What is the right temperament ? Coward away from intimidation on and off the ball ? O they will stop if you ignore them. Austin Gleeson did not get a score today. Maybe because he was been poked, dragged. clipped etc. to keep him out of the play. I have seen it all this year.
It is not Gleeson's job to apply the rules but selective rules certainly applies to him. There are seven officials out there to do that. He has been sent off for retaliation. Now he is getting sent off on the pretext is he probably retaliated. It is a big easy show, flashing red cards while you are incapable of controlling the other aspects of the game that is leading up to them.
I don't want to see any player getting treated like Gleeson. We watch the game to see the Gleeson's, Kelly's etc. perform. Waterford chance would increase greatly If someone was sent out to take Tony out of the game Waterford chance would increase. That won't happen and would be disgraceful if it did.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 17/05/2022 14:14:10    2418133

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "On a separate note I cant see Brian Lohan making wholesale changes this weekend. It is not his style. With that in mind, I think I saw Clare were 3/1 yesterday with the bookies. They are crazy odds if Lohan sticks to form and puts out a strong team. The only issue would be mentality given we are qualified already.

Personally, I would rest Conlon and Kelly and give them a run off the bench in the second half but anyone we bring in should be chomping looking to stake a claim for a Munster final place"
He cant make too many of Cork would be up in Arms but Jack Browne David Reidy Shane Meehan Aron Shanagher should start and Golden McMahon Jason McCarthy & Paudi to get a decent run

I would leave TK & Conlon off altogether.

I would expect Waterford to be more fired up and win this one

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 775 - 17/05/2022 15:21:09    2418171

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Replying To clooney:  "He cant make too many of Cork would be up in Arms but Jack Browne David Reidy Shane Meehan Aron Shanagher should start and Golden McMahon Jason McCarthy & Paudi to get a decent run

I would leave TK & Conlon off altogether.

I would expect Waterford to be more fired up and win this one"
Cork can be up in arms all they want. Do your own job and you'll qualify. if Clare have the luxury and chose to rest players then fair play to them, they earned the right.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2248 - 17/05/2022 16:01:23    2418182

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Cork can be up in arms all they want. Do your own job and you'll qualify. if Clare have the luxury and chose to rest players then fair play to them, they earned the right."
I'd agree 100%. I remember Dalo was angry when limerick rested a few v tipp in 19 . You put yourself into position to determine your own preparation.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 840 - 17/05/2022 16:39:23    2418201

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I'd be resting 3/4 of starting 15..keep an eye on their own house and who cares what cork think..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1752 - 17/05/2022 17:15:56    2418211

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Cork can be up in arms all they want. Do your own job and you'll qualify. if Clare have the luxury and chose to rest players then fair play to them, they earned the right."
Dead right, LRH. Clare have given three cracking displays in the Round Robin Series already and they have the liberty to selet, who ever they like. Anyway, does anyone think Cork would not do the same if the position was reversed.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3771 - 17/05/2022 17:45:55    2418219

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I predicted Clare before a ball was struck this year and said we would squeak through in the third spot. Honestly that is even a stretch now. Clare were like a plane flying on one engine fro the last two years. Now both engines are working. Tony Kelly bring everyone up a level when he is fit and at his best.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 17/05/2022 19:08:21    2418240

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "derek mcgrath has been spouting rubbish about how good waterford were for the last 2 months.....any shrewd man would have been playing down watefords chances but he went the otherway he said after league final that we are the team to beat and who ever beats us will be going up the steps of the hogan stand .....he also spoke of the marquee players in the country your cian lynchs and kyle hayes's, he said we have 7 or 8 of those players in waterford and the trilogy between waterford and limerick this year .....i found it amusing when i head him....."
Derek does not want Cahill to win an All Ireland with this group of players that he still think are his.

From day one he has put immense pressure on Cahill and the players by saying they are the heirs to Limericks throne etc etc.

He wants Cahill out so he can get another crack at the Waterford job.

A blind man could see that.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 444 - 17/05/2022 20:34:33    2418258

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Replying To Canuck:  "Gleeson's fault again. The ref decided to send him off for doing nothing and in fairness the Cork contingent agreed. What is the right temperament ? Coward away from intimidation on and off the ball ? O they will stop if you ignore them. Austin Gleeson did not get a score today. Maybe because he was been poked, dragged. clipped etc. to keep him out of the play. I have seen it all this year.
It is not Gleeson's job to apply the rules but selective rules certainly applies to him. There are seven officials out there to do that. He has been sent off for retaliation. Now he is getting sent off on the pretext is he probably retaliated. It is a big easy show, flashing red cards while you are incapable of controlling the other aspects of the game that is leading up to them.
I don't want to see any player getting treated like Gleeson. We watch the game to see the Gleeson's, Kelly's etc. perform. Waterford chance would increase greatly If someone was sent out to take Tony out of the game Waterford chance would increase. That won't happen and would be disgraceful if it did."
He did score....

He clearly pulled the player around the next to the ground during the scuffle. Surely you seen that? It's almost always a yellow no matter who you are. Glesson gave as good as he got on a number of occasions. His own worst enemy and is a liability. Theres 3-4 incidents every year with him since he came on the scene.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3602 - 18/05/2022 09:03:22    2418271

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Replying To daveboy:  "I'd agree 100%. I remember Dalo was angry when limerick rested a few v tipp in 19 . You put yourself into position to determine your own preparation."
If I remember 2019 correctly what I think Daly was alluding to was the fact that when Limerick faced Tipp that day they were not assured of a place in the Munster final. If Cork had beaten Clare in Ennis that day and Limerick lost, Cork would have played Tipp in the Munster final and Limerick would have qualified in third place so that game was not a dead rubber to Limerick. As it turned out, Clare beat Cork so Limerick got through to final with a defeat against Tipp.

I have no sympathy for any team that leaves it out of their own hands to qualify. Clare have done their job - 2 wins and a draw in 3 games, qualified for Munster final and we are entitled to enjoy the fruits of this, this weekend by resting a few if we choose. That being said I genuinely cant see more than 3-4 changes. Its not Lohans style.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2248 - 18/05/2022 09:46:16    2418276

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "If I remember 2019 correctly what I think Daly was alluding to was the fact that when Limerick faced Tipp that day they were not assured of a place in the Munster final. If Cork had beaten Clare in Ennis that day and Limerick lost, Cork would have played Tipp in the Munster final and Limerick would have qualified in third place so that game was not a dead rubber to Limerick. As it turned out, Clare beat Cork so Limerick got through to final with a defeat against Tipp.

I have no sympathy for any team that leaves it out of their own hands to qualify. Clare have done their job - 2 wins and a draw in 3 games, qualified for Munster final and we are entitled to enjoy the fruits of this, this weekend by resting a few if we choose. That being said I genuinely cant see more than 3-4 changes. Its not Lohans style."
Not only that but Clare like ourselves and Galway, and Waterford too, are usually a momentum team. Lohan won't put out a much weakened team because a bad defeat could undo all the good work done so far.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5713 - 18/05/2022 10:57:38    2418318

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