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Dismal display against a second string Clare team that showed their hunger to win. Injuries and missing players no excuse for playing so bad. Moving players all over the place and naming a dummy team the tactics to play a team that had nothing at stake and were out just for a run. Liam Cahill has done good work in Waterford but this won't be his hi-light and naming dummy teams has to stop while calling for more spectator support. Not showing supporters any respect with this carry on.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 23/05/2022 15:05:07    2419756

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Replying To Canuck:  "Dismal display against a second string Clare team that showed their hunger to win. Injuries and missing players no excuse for playing so bad. Moving players all over the place and naming a dummy team the tactics to play a team that had nothing at stake and were out just for a run. Liam Cahill has done good work in Waterford but this won't be his hi-light and naming dummy teams has to stop while calling for more spectator support. Not showing supporters any respect with this carry on."
Looks like we passed on our inconsistent virus to you. That to me yesterday was not Waterford.
Agree on the dummy teams, all it shows is that you are more worried about the opposition than believing in yourself. I could be wrong but I believe most of the top teams have stopped it.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1488 - 23/05/2022 15:17:49    2419764

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Replying To Canuck:  "Dismal display against a second string Clare team that showed their hunger to win. Injuries and missing players no excuse for playing so bad. Moving players all over the place and naming a dummy team the tactics to play a team that had nothing at stake and were out just for a run. Liam Cahill has done good work in Waterford but this won't be his hi-light and naming dummy teams has to stop while calling for more spectator support. Not showing supporters any respect with this carry on."
Was really hoping that you would have survived yesterday but Cork never going to slip up anyway.

I dont know where it all went wrong but changing team diden't help players long before full time seemed resigned to fate.
Great panel of players there so great hope in future although i cane see Liam Sheedy sticking around if he dosent have full backing of players

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 775 - 23/05/2022 15:33:31    2419777

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Replying To clooney:  "Was really hoping that you would have survived yesterday but Cork never going to slip up anyway.

I dont know where it all went wrong but changing team diden't help players long before full time seemed resigned to fate.
Great panel of players there so great hope in future although i cane see Liam Sheedy sticking around if he dosent have full backing of players"
Sheedy? Surely a typo?!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5713 - 23/05/2022 16:26:54    2419808

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Canuck,everyone is saying the cork match was where everything went wrong..I'd disagree and say it was the night we beat ye..on the night limerick were missing several first teamers,Waterford threw everything at limerick that night and only for 2 late goals they were very well beaten..for me ye hoped that ye would be able to get over us that night and fell short,a lot of the wind seemed to leave ye,re sails after that..also with the run Ballygunner got it meant a lot of fellas didn't get a chance to stake a starting place during the league..yesterday was a day where they just jacked it in way to early..I'd hope Waterford would get back and win an all ireland but I've serious doubts now..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1752 - 23/05/2022 17:07:46    2419832

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I'm not sure what has happened in the last couple of weeks but the same brittleness that's always there with Waterford was exposed again yesterday. They've always been a confidence team and when they're on song they can be unstoppable, look at the league semi final and final. But when they're put to the pin of their collar they usually tend to crumble. Its been happening for the 30+ years i've followed Waterford hurling and I'm sure it'll happen to them again in the future.

I've no idea what happened with this naming a team and then making 4 changes before throw in. I'm not living in the county to know about what was happening and the supposed leaks of the team during the week. But yesterday they looked bereft of confidence and the fact they'd made 3 changes by half time (i think) showed they got it wrong to start with.

I had a feeling all year they were building a plan to match and/ or beat Limerick with Jack fagan at WHB but that was all at sea yesterday. I'm not sure where jack was supposed to be or who was supposed to be picking up O'Donnell but he'd a field day. Prunty missing show we've nothing to back him up when he's out and Peter casey lorded it on the edge of the square.

Cahill has the right team around him, but i think they panicked this week after losing to Cork. Instead of sticking to their routine, what is tried and tested they went totally left field. Putting Austin back to six backfired spectacularly and they played around and over him. If barron wasn't fully fit then why start him. Stephen Bennett being dropped was totally reactionary and shouldn't have happened. They've a solid 6 or 7 months to figure this thing out but they really need to spend a lot of time on structuring the team a little bit more, work on themselves, and build or rebuild the foundations.

Think they've a great panel of 25 players and need to figure out how best to utilise it and not allow one result to effect them as it did.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1833 - 23/05/2022 18:13:55    2419842

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Replying To clooney:  "Was really hoping that you would have survived yesterday but Cork never going to slip up anyway.

I dont know where it all went wrong but changing team diden't help players long before full time seemed resigned to fate.
Great panel of players there so great hope in future although i cane see Liam Sheedy sticking around if he dosent have full backing of players"
I don't care you don't ground your marquee players. Yes it is a 26 man panel now but these players were your backbone and now dropped. Maybe take them off if not performing. Bennett and Hutchison were not receiving any kind of decent ball to score. Then rub salt in Bennett's wound by saying you are not good enough to start but we need you now. I am sure this lack of confidence in your top players rub off on the rest. Austin Gleeson just cannot be left play in a
position despite his flair for goal. The best of players need time to adjust to a position. Imagine playing Aaron Gillane or Tony Kelly in the full back line.
At the end of the day it is the players who play between the lines must do it but this was a cock up of the greatest portions by team management. We may not have beaten Clare one way or the other but no one can tell be we would not at least done better if the team was kept in tact. Injuries did occur but the minimum disruption to the team with forced replacements the better. Callum Lyons to center back for DeBurca. Darragh Lyons to mid field for Barron. I am not trying to second Cahill but this was a brain cramp by all concerned.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 24/05/2022 19:05:25    2420050

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All this talk about who leaked the team is just noise. Name the team you have confidence in, playing your best players. This dummy crap is fooling no one only yourself, players and the people who support you week in week out with draws and match day participation.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 27/05/2022 21:41:36    2420545

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Now we are at the cross roads again with perhaps opportunity having passed by again. When we have good teams there is always a great team around. However no excuse if we were a great team we would win.
This managerial merry go around intrigues me. We have three All Ireland appearances in the 2000's. Two with outside managers and one with Derek McGrath. Derek got the closest with a bunch of kids and I believe unlucky they way things turned out. No disrespect to Galway. So if you want to use stats to decide who is next up, that is there to see. Our track recorded of appreciating our own is despicable. If you come in from the outside you get what ever you ask for. The treatment of Michael Ryan was terrible. A proven winner and lost one game and was replaced. The players did that assignation. So who ever gets the job needs to stamp this type of behaviour out. If they do not want to play for the manager move on and let someone else come in. After all it is not going to matter in the big picture of a 64 year wait. In fact it might help giving a dedicated attitude.
County board give the job now to a Wateford man and lets see the flashy photos of handing over the new car keys to him while giving him what ever resources he needs. Players play for your county man without cutting the legs out from under him. Supporters support your county man and not always be looking at the other man's grass is always greener because the facts do not substantiate that.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 19/07/2022 17:53:07    2433000

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Replying To Canuck:  "Now we are at the cross roads again with perhaps opportunity having passed by again. When we have good teams there is always a great team around. However no excuse if we were a great team we would win.
This managerial merry go around intrigues me. We have three All Ireland appearances in the 2000's. Two with outside managers and one with Derek McGrath. Derek got the closest with a bunch of kids and I believe unlucky they way things turned out. No disrespect to Galway. So if you want to use stats to decide who is next up, that is there to see. Our track recorded of appreciating our own is despicable. If you come in from the outside you get what ever you ask for. The treatment of Michael Ryan was terrible. A proven winner and lost one game and was replaced. The players did that assignation. So who ever gets the job needs to stamp this type of behaviour out. If they do not want to play for the manager move on and let someone else come in. After all it is not going to matter in the big picture of a 64 year wait. In fact it might help giving a dedicated attitude.
County board give the job now to a Wateford man and lets see the flashy photos of handing over the new car keys to him while giving him what ever resources he needs. Players play for your county man without cutting the legs out from under him. Supporters support your county man and not always be looking at the other man's grass is always greener because the facts do not substantiate that."
Who do you think will get the job Canuck? And who would you like to see get it if that's a different man?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5713 - 20/07/2022 16:41:23    2433207

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Replying To Viking66:  "Who do you think will get the job Canuck? And who would you like to see get it if that's a different man?"
I don't think they should go back to Derek for various reasons including his reading of games since. Tony Browne probably but I would need to know more like how much input he had to the Clare fiasco. We were with in three points of Limerick like Clare were and Kilkenny two points this year. The slide started against Limerick when Daly got injured. Was left on until injured again. Bennett is one of your prolific scores. Yes having a bad year but an understanding with Hutchison. Then asking him to come in and turn around a game that was already lost. Putting players in position they did not play in before. Like DeBurca at fullback. Sweeping positional changes. Maybe one or two you can get away with. Yes they were injuries but this was a real brain cramp. So was Tony part of this ? I don't know if the Brick has an interest or still too close to the players. Not sure if Dan has the managerial skills but has the heart for it. No disrespect. Limitations for sure. Would be well advised to have Michael Ryan involved in some capacity. Molumphy I believe is living in Kerry. They will probable approach Brendan Cummins but not a big fan. Hopefully who ever it is will get the best Bennett, Shane going again. Find a position for him and let him start as he does not work as a sub.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 20/07/2022 17:45:10    2433229

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I know nothing about who might be mentioned but would Stephen molumpny be a good fit for the job?or has it come a year to soon..he certainly made a big impression in Kerry ,I know it's below Liam mc level..it's one of a number of high profile jobs still up for grabs..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1752 - 20/07/2022 19:30:02    2433246

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The problem I see is who ever comes in gets them in the useless warm up league. If he loses all the games because he is building and trying things negativeness towards him and the team starts. Morale goes down and head hunting starts. Limerick, Kilkenny and others it makes no difference. If he wins the league like this year, it is again regarded as no use because it is not the championship. The only thing is we will be regarding with no expectations and that is when best.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 21/07/2022 13:52:25    2433366

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I heard Davy en route back to Waterford, any truth?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 359 - 22/07/2022 10:59:41    2433500

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I heard Davy en route back to Waterford, any truth?"
Have heard his name brandished around with many others. Always have mixed feelings about Davy. It is hard not to recognize his achievements to be fair. He was a bit more reserved in Wexford but some would say his attitude is good old passion. However does he have plan B and C in his strategy that is now required to win or is he too fixated on his style. Cody as much as he is old school adapted but still expects you to be capable of winning your old ball one on one and running off the shoulder when it suits. I think Davy would come as he likes the lime light but to be fair a god hurling man.
I'll sit on the fence if this happens but ask is there not a Waterford man who can do it. If not well then ? At the end of the day the players have to be good enough.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 22/07/2022 14:19:38    2433548

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Replying To Canuck:  "Have heard his name brandished around with many others. Always have mixed feelings about Davy. It is hard not to recognize his achievements to be fair. He was a bit more reserved in Wexford but some would say his attitude is good old passion. However does he have plan B and C in his strategy that is now required to win or is he too fixated on his style. Cody as much as he is old school adapted but still expects you to be capable of winning your old ball one on one and running off the shoulder when it suits. I think Davy would come as he likes the lime light but to be fair a god hurling man.
I'll sit on the fence if this happens but ask is there not a Waterford man who can do it. If not well then ? At the end of the day the players have to be good enough."
Davy tweaked his style a good bit over the 5 years he was here, including where the sweeper played and even the type of player at sweeper. His style required too much hard running though. And we didn't have good enough players to bring on when lads tired. Waterford do have a stronger squad now than we had in 2019 though. If they all bought into Davy and what he brings, both good and bad.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5713 - 25/07/2022 11:11:13    2434150

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Letting the dust settle in Tipp is the best thing. There management team was conclude as the door was hitting Bonnar in the rear end going out. Probably done before the mat came from under his feet.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 26/07/2022 15:22:15    2434611

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Fennelly or Brennan ? I think Tony will be involved but will wait his time gathering more experience. Derek and Davy outsiders ? Molumphy will wait also.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 27/07/2022 15:31:57    2434898

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Replying To Canuck:  "Fennelly or Brennan ? I think Tony will be involved but will wait his time gathering more experience. Derek and Davy outsiders ? Molumphy will wait also."
Molumphy went close to winning the Joe McDonagh with Kerry this year, he will do another year or two down there to get them over the line into Liam McCarthy I feel.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 444 - 27/07/2022 21:44:36    2434980

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No white smoke yet. Needs to be done. Plenty to see in the weekend games that may be relevant.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 01/08/2022 17:30:33    2435787

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