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Replying To tiobraid:  "He did score....

He clearly pulled the player around the next to the ground during the scuffle. Surely you seen that? It's almost always a yellow no matter who you are. Glesson gave as good as he got on a number of occasions. His own worst enemy and is a liability. Theres 3-4 incidents every year with him since he came on the scene."
I did very clearly and not by watching t.v. replays. He was the one dragged around the neck to ground and while on the ground the hold on him continued until he defended himself. The attitude is the same now as the officiating. Every year gone is enough reason to send him off. If that was the way many Tipp and other counties would have players off more often. I know he scored in this game. There is not a county in Ireland would consider Gleeson a liability. Your statement should same " he takes as good as he gives " not like some of the fakers and softies playing today. The bottom line is the first yellow card was marginal and we saw ticking offs in the game also for other fouls . The second one was totally wrong. The Hegarty one has got much more oxygen that this one that was more controversal.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 18/05/2022 14:20:40    2418412

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Replying To Canuck:  "I did very clearly and not by watching t.v. replays. He was the one dragged around the neck to ground and while on the ground the hold on him continued until he defended himself. The attitude is the same now as the officiating. Every year gone is enough reason to send him off. If that was the way many Tipp and other counties would have players off more often. I know he scored in this game. There is not a county in Ireland would consider Gleeson a liability. Your statement should same " he takes as good as he gives " not like some of the fakers and softies playing today. The bottom line is the first yellow card was marginal and we saw ticking offs in the game also for other fouls . The second one was totally wrong. The Hegarty one has got much more oxygen that this one that was more controversal."
Just looed at Gleesons 2nd Yellow it was typical bazaar James Owens reffing totally innocent Downey the aggressor

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 775 - 19/05/2022 14:10:33    2418714

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If Waterford has the temerity to drive into Cusack Park, and accelerate out with a win, that Waterford team has the temerity to lift McCarthy high.

I haven't given up on those Waterford players; heroes happen when you need 'em.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1326 - 19/05/2022 14:25:05    2418717

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out of their hands unfortunately cant see Cork been beaten by Tipp.

I would still see Cork as very dangerous if they qualify

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 775 - 19/05/2022 15:02:25    2418734

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Replying To tiobraid:  "He did score....

He clearly pulled the player around the next to the ground during the scuffle. Surely you seen that? It's almost always a yellow no matter who you are. Glesson gave as good as he got on a number of occasions. His own worst enemy and is a liability. Theres 3-4 incidents every year with him since he came on the scene."
He did score. You are right. Liability? You are wrong.

I'd trade 55-60 minutes of Austin Gleeson for 70+ minutes that any current Tipp player has in his tank. And I don't say that lightly.

If the game were managed properly, and reviewed in the cold grey light of dawn, Gleeson's 2nd yellow would be quenched/rescinded. Plus, Downey's blatant idiocy would be up-scinded to a red.

I'm sick of the fainters, the feigners and the fakers on GAA pitches today. God be with the days of Eddie Keher, Martin Quigley, Eamonn Cregan, Frank Cummins, Denis Coughlan, Brendan Lynskey, Ger Loughnane, Pat McGrath (Ken's father), Padraic Horan, all the Hendersons, Joe Hennessy, Sambo, and so many more..., Sylvie.

Drive a bus or train over those fellas and they wouldn't have shirked; it meant defeat to fall to your opponent back then.

Now, it seems to mean victory; a pyrrhic victory in my eyes. In that I mean, it is not always about winning. I mean, how many All-Ireland medals does Denis Coughlan have; One in football, four-five in hurling? Does it actually matter to me what he won, or that I got to see him play? Possibly, he was the finest Cork dual player that I have had the privilege to see play the games. Martin Quigley? I never saw the Rackards or O'Donnell. But I've seen plenty of Wexford men play. None better than Martin Quigley, imho. That he doesn't hold a winner's medal matters not an iota to me. I saw what he could do on the field of play, and one thing was he never fell down, to anyone.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1326 - 19/05/2022 15:17:12    2418741

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Replying To clooney:  "Just looed at Gleesons 2nd Yellow it was typical bazaar James Owens reffing totally innocent Downey the aggressor"
Cork were the way better team in this game. I don't know if the sending off would have changed any thing. We will never know. What I do know for certain that he sent the wrong man off with a totally unwarranted yellow card. If any thing Downey should have been straight red carded for dangerous play and continuing as the aggressor. Then we may wonder how the game would have gone. Owens needs to explain his action to someone.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 19/05/2022 15:25:02    2418745

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Replying To clooney:  "out of their hands unfortunately cant see Cork been beaten by Tipp.

I would still see Cork as very dangerous if they qualify"
Just three points on that Clooney.
(1) Speaking to vastly expierianced hurling men at home, as Cork progressed in last years Championship, they, almost to a man said they would fear Cork, if we met them later in the year. We saw what happened in the Final.
(2) Their record in Croke Park, since about 2010, is truly awful. Apart from a reasonably good performance against KK last year, the only game of note that they won there has been the 2013 Semi Final, when they edged an inexperienced Dublin team, reduced to 14 men.
(3) I was looking at the Programme of the 2018 Semi Final recently and I was amazed at the number of the current Cork panel either started or came on that day. Many of them are in their fifth season with this side and have never consistently played well.
Cork may blaze a winning trail this year and more luck to them if they do, but I have my doubts.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3771 - 19/05/2022 16:37:45    2418768

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "He did score. You are right. Liability? You are wrong.

I'd trade 55-60 minutes of Austin Gleeson for 70+ minutes that any current Tipp player has in his tank. And I don't say that lightly.

If the game were managed properly, and reviewed in the cold grey light of dawn, Gleeson's 2nd yellow would be quenched/rescinded. Plus, Downey's blatant idiocy would be up-scinded to a red.

I'm sick of the fainters, the feigners and the fakers on GAA pitches today. God be with the days of Eddie Keher, Martin Quigley, Eamonn Cregan, Frank Cummins, Denis Coughlan, Brendan Lynskey, Ger Loughnane, Pat McGrath (Ken's father), Padraic Horan, all the Hendersons, Joe Hennessy, Sambo, and so many more..., Sylvie.

Drive a bus or train over those fellas and they wouldn't have shirked; it meant defeat to fall to your opponent back then.

Now, it seems to mean victory; a pyrrhic victory in my eyes. In that I mean, it is not always about winning. I mean, how many All-Ireland medals does Denis Coughlan have; One in football, four-five in hurling? Does it actually matter to me what he won, or that I got to see him play? Possibly, he was the finest Cork dual player that I have had the privilege to see play the games. Martin Quigley? I never saw the Rackards or O'Donnell. But I've seen plenty of Wexford men play. None better than Martin Quigley, imho. That he doesn't hold a winner's medal matters not an iota to me. I saw what he could do on the field of play, and one thing was he never fell down, to anyone."
Think Martin got 1 in 68?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5713 - 19/05/2022 17:04:54    2418776

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Replying To Viking66:  "Think Martin got 1 in 68?"
He didn't. His brother John might have (sub). I know my Wexford hurling. Ask your father or grandfather.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1326 - 19/05/2022 17:14:16    2418780

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "He did score. You are right. Liability? You are wrong.

I'd trade 55-60 minutes of Austin Gleeson for 70+ minutes that any current Tipp player has in his tank. And I don't say that lightly.

If the game were managed properly, and reviewed in the cold grey light of dawn, Gleeson's 2nd yellow would be quenched/rescinded. Plus, Downey's blatant idiocy would be up-scinded to a red.

I'm sick of the fainters, the feigners and the fakers on GAA pitches today. God be with the days of Eddie Keher, Martin Quigley, Eamonn Cregan, Frank Cummins, Denis Coughlan, Brendan Lynskey, Ger Loughnane, Pat McGrath (Ken's father), Padraic Horan, all the Hendersons, Joe Hennessy, Sambo, and so many more..., Sylvie.

Drive a bus or train over those fellas and they wouldn't have shirked; it meant defeat to fall to your opponent back then.

Now, it seems to mean victory; a pyrrhic victory in my eyes. In that I mean, it is not always about winning. I mean, how many All-Ireland medals does Denis Coughlan have; One in football, four-five in hurling? Does it actually matter to me what he won, or that I got to see him play? Possibly, he was the finest Cork dual player that I have had the privilege to see play the games. Martin Quigley? I never saw the Rackards or O'Donnell. But I've seen plenty of Wexford men play. None better than Martin Quigley, imho. That he doesn't hold a winner's medal matters not an iota to me. I saw what he could do on the field of play, and one thing was he never fell down, to anyone."
All ways an honest correct assessment.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 19/05/2022 17:30:44    2418787

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "He didn't. His brother John might have (sub). I know my Wexford hurling. Ask your father or grandfather."
Got him confused with Dan Mr Young! Martin and his generation were the lads who kept losing AI finals at different grades to Cork. The last era we consistently reached AI finals sadly. Since the 70s I think we only reached 5. 1985 our minors lost to Cork. 1996 Seniors beat Limerick. 2001 lost the u21 final to Limerick by a point in front of over 30000 people. 2014 lost the u21 final to Clare and 2015 lost the u21 final to Limerick.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5713 - 19/05/2022 18:12:38    2418800

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Replying To Canuck:  "Cork were the way better team in this game. I don't know if the sending off would have changed any thing. We will never know. What I do know for certain that he sent the wrong man off with a totally unwarranted yellow card. If any thing Downey should have been straight red carded for dangerous play and continuing as the aggressor. Then we may wonder how the game would have gone. Owens needs to explain his action to someone."
Ya look I understand the frustration with Gleeson's sendong off. To be fair the first one was a definite yellow. Couldn't see anything with the second that warranted a yellow.
However to lose at home to Cork was inexcusable. Serious questions to be asked of the Waterford team. It's all well and good beating undercooked teams in the league but they need to drive on. Players like Bennett went missing. I admire Gleeson for at least giving his all. Certainly no one in Limerick would begrudge Waterford some success

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 265 - 19/05/2022 21:14:58    2418822

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "He did score. You are right. Liability? You are wrong.

I'd trade 55-60 minutes of Austin Gleeson for 70+ minutes that any current Tipp player has in his tank. And I don't say that lightly.

If the game were managed properly, and reviewed in the cold grey light of dawn, Gleeson's 2nd yellow would be quenched/rescinded. Plus, Downey's blatant idiocy would be up-scinded to a red.

I'm sick of the fainters, the feigners and the fakers on GAA pitches today. God be with the days of Eddie Keher, Martin Quigley, Eamonn Cregan, Frank Cummins, Denis Coughlan, Brendan Lynskey, Ger Loughnane, Pat McGrath (Ken's father), Padraic Horan, all the Hendersons, Joe Hennessy, Sambo, and so many more..., Sylvie.

Drive a bus or train over those fellas and they wouldn't have shirked; it meant defeat to fall to your opponent back then.

Now, it seems to mean victory; a pyrrhic victory in my eyes. In that I mean, it is not always about winning. I mean, how many All-Ireland medals does Denis Coughlan have; One in football, four-five in hurling? Does it actually matter to me what he won, or that I got to see him play? Possibly, he was the finest Cork dual player that I have had the privilege to see play the games. Martin Quigley? I never saw the Rackards or O'Donnell. But I've seen plenty of Wexford men play. None better than Martin Quigley, imho. That he doesn't hold a winner's medal matters not an iota to me. I saw what he could do on the field of play, and one thing was he never fell down, to anyone."
Whats Tipp got to do with it?

Gleeson first of all fouled the Cork player on the initial high ball that came in. When he missed the ball he pulled down by the shoulder - Downey was off balance and ended up on the ground. Really silly tackle to make. It does appear Downey orchastrated the bit of pulling after that but Gleeson very clearly pulled him by the neck on to the ground. Always a yellow card given these days no matter who you are.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3602 - 20/05/2022 09:24:10    2418834

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Replying To Canuck:  "I did very clearly and not by watching t.v. replays. He was the one dragged around the neck to ground and while on the ground the hold on him continued until he defended himself. The attitude is the same now as the officiating. Every year gone is enough reason to send him off. If that was the way many Tipp and other counties would have players off more often. I know he scored in this game. There is not a county in Ireland would consider Gleeson a liability. Your statement should same " he takes as good as he gives " not like some of the fakers and softies playing today. The bottom line is the first yellow card was marginal and we saw ticking offs in the game also for other fouls . The second one was totally wrong. The Hegarty one has got much more oxygen that this one that was more controversal."
Canuck he swung the hurl in the direction of a Tipp players private parts in the league without a Tipp player making contact. You making him out to be the innocent party is simply untrue. DJ Carey got the world of rough treatment and I never seen him react. Gleeson rarely gets all this rough treatment you're talking about. Hes arguably the best hurler in the country but he still hasnt learned.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3602 - 20/05/2022 09:28:06    2418835

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Whats Tipp got to do with it?

Gleeson first of all fouled the Cork player on the initial high ball that came in. When he missed the ball he pulled down by the shoulder - Downey was off balance and ended up on the ground. Really silly tackle to make. It does appear Downey orchastrated the bit of pulling after that but Gleeson very clearly pulled him by the neck on to the ground. Always a yellow card given these days no matter who you are."
You're the person branding Gleeson a liability. I'm
clearly not of that opinion, and I used Tipp players in comparison to Gleeson to point out how much of a liability Gleeson is not.

That's what Tipp has to do with my post.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1326 - 20/05/2022 10:00:40    2418851

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "He didn't. His brother John might have (sub). I know my Wexford hurling. Ask your father or grandfather."
Dan started John came in as sub

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 775 - 20/05/2022 12:16:58    2418911

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i listened to tommy walsh last night which was very interesting .....he was saying waterfords form in the league semi final and final was hard to gauge because if you look at the 2 teams they beat wexford in the semi final and cork in the final both have been very poor since ...how hard were teams trying in the league . limerick and clare seem to be the top 2 counties at the moment and the only team both beat in the league was offaly. waterord are still a decent side but are a long way off what derek mcgrath reckoned they were....." we are the team to beat who ever beats us will be climbing the steps of the hogan stand" he must feel like a right clown now.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1044 - 20/05/2022 13:02:09    2418938

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "i listened to tommy walsh last night which was very interesting .....he was saying waterfords form in the league semi final and final was hard to gauge because if you look at the 2 teams they beat wexford in the semi final and cork in the final both have been very poor since ...how hard were teams trying in the league . limerick and clare seem to be the top 2 counties at the moment and the only team both beat in the league was offaly. waterord are still a decent side but are a long way off what derek mcgrath reckoned they were....." we are the team to beat who ever beats us will be climbing the steps of the hogan stand" he must feel like a right clown now."
He is one.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 20/05/2022 13:11:25    2418945

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Whats Tipp got to do with it?

Gleeson first of all fouled the Cork player on the initial high ball that came in. When he missed the ball he pulled down by the shoulder - Downey was off balance and ended up on the ground. Really silly tackle to make. It does appear Downey orchastrated the bit of pulling after that but Gleeson very clearly pulled him by the neck on to the ground. Always a yellow card given these days no matter who you are."
You are absolutely wrong to what happened from your arm chair. Gleeson had his back to Downey who pulled him down from behind and then continued dragging him while on the ground. if as you said Gleeson fouled him during play mind you (which he didn't) every foul is not a yellow card. Or in your opinion is it ? If it is then there won't be many left on the field. Or is it you believe it should apply to Gleeson because you give examples about him from every game since the year of our Lord. However obviously you are not going to change your mind and definitely anyone in the park won't either.
Look I always like to tell it as it is. While you recognize the ability of Gleeson you have a chip on your shoulder about him and then set about your agenda with his liability and tendencies. Get over it.
We will probably be out after Sunday and for me it is then enjoying the Gleeson's of the game perform.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 20/05/2022 13:34:49    2418953

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Dismal display against a second string Clare team that showed their hunger to win. Injuries and missing players no excuse for playing so bad. Moving players all over the place and naming a dummy team the tactics to play a team that had nothing at stake and were out just for a run. Liam Cahill has done good work in Waterford but this won't be his hi-light and naming dummy teams has to stop while calling for more spectator support. Not showing supporters any respect with this carry on.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2273 - 23/05/2022 14:52:18    2419752

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