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Replying To Canuck:  "Minors had a close one last night with Tipp. Waterford had only four from last years panel. I believe Tipp had 14. Maybe in the future this team will have success. Some 15 year olds playing. The man thing is to be competitive at under age and Waterford have done that fairly consistently for awhile."
The minor team were a little unlucky and should improve with more games. They have some really good players that should hopefully make the step up to senior over the next few years. The most important aspect is keeping the conveyor belt moving to the senior team. Catharch Daly this year, Mark Fitzgerald too, on the senior panel although unlucky with the bad injury a few weeks back, Patrick Fitzgerald a big prospect and Charlie Treen also from last year's minors, Jack Twomey and P Cummins from this year's minors. Should be interesting to see how these develop over the coming years especially Patrick Fitzgerald.

PullHard7 (Waterford) - Posts: 53 - 06/04/2022 21:33:04    2410053

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Replying To PullHard7:  "The minor team were a little unlucky and should improve with more games. They have some really good players that should hopefully make the step up to senior over the next few years. The most important aspect is keeping the conveyor belt moving to the senior team. Catharch Daly this year, Mark Fitzgerald too, on the senior panel although unlucky with the bad injury a few weeks back, Patrick Fitzgerald a big prospect and Charlie Treen also from last year's minors, Jack Twomey and P Cummins from this year's minors. Should be interesting to see how these develop over the coming years especially Patrick Fitzgerald."
Yes keeping the conveyor belt going is so important for county the size of Waterford. Since 1992 that has kept us mostly at the top table and avoided the heavy defeats at underage. With the exception of 2008 you could same the same at senior. I always say the same about Westmeath , Laois, Antrim. Carlow, Kerry etc. Getting to be consistently competitive is the first step. These once off surprises do nothing. In Waterford at senior level we can thank Gerard and Justin McCarthy for getting us pointed in the right direction. Since then the work put in by many people has been super. The whole county is trawled now to get the best players and can be seen by the array of clubs represented on our teams. A young fellow from Fenor on this minor team. Can you image what that means to that little club. A big improvement and now the justified called biases of the past are not there.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3034 - 07/04/2022 14:35:31    2410154

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What are people's thoughts on Sundays game?
If we have close to a full panel to pick from and we're not complacent, we should be confident of a good performance and hopefully a win.
You would think complacency shouldn't be an issue given that we are playing Cahills home county and the fact that we'll have plenty of players on the bench who are really pushing for a place on the starting 15.
However that first half Tipp performance against Limerick last year is a splinter in my mind.

As regards the availability of players this weekend I would think that Peter Hogan, Ian Kenny and Jamie Barron won't start as they saw no league time although I haven't heard anything about their recovery time or match fitness.
Colin Dunford also is probably out due to his hamstring injury in the Wexford game.
The only other doubt I can think of is Iarlaith Daly who missed the league final, hopefully he has fully recovered as we could use him especially his versatility in both lines in defense.
Anyone want to hazard a guess on starting 15?

Here's mine:
1. S O Brien
2. C Gleeson
3. C Prunty
4. I Daly
5. C Lyons
6. T de Burca
7. J Fagan
8. C Daly
9. D Lyons
10. N Montgomery
11. J Prendergast
12. A Gleeson
13. D Hutchinson
14. St Bennett
15. P Curran

McNulty should start if Iarlaith Daly isn't ready imo. It'll be interesting to see if Catharch Daly starts for under 20's tomorrow and could he start again on Sunday.
Michael Kiely too unlucky to miss out but Montgomery's form is too good for him not to start.
Patrick Curran even though I named him corner forward would probably play further out the field with a two man full forward line. Just my opinion but interested to hear other views.

PullHard7 (Waterford) - Posts: 53 - 12/04/2022 20:04:25    2410748

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Replying To PullHard7:  "What are people's thoughts on Sundays game?
If we have close to a full panel to pick from and we're not complacent, we should be confident of a good performance and hopefully a win.
You would think complacency shouldn't be an issue given that we are playing Cahills home county and the fact that we'll have plenty of players on the bench who are really pushing for a place on the starting 15.
However that first half Tipp performance against Limerick last year is a splinter in my mind.

As regards the availability of players this weekend I would think that Peter Hogan, Ian Kenny and Jamie Barron won't start as they saw no league time although I haven't heard anything about their recovery time or match fitness.
Colin Dunford also is probably out due to his hamstring injury in the Wexford game.
The only other doubt I can think of is Iarlaith Daly who missed the league final, hopefully he has fully recovered as we could use him especially his versatility in both lines in defense.
Anyone want to hazard a guess on starting 15?

Here's mine:
1. S O Brien
2. C Gleeson
3. C Prunty
4. I Daly
5. C Lyons
6. T de Burca
7. J Fagan
8. C Daly
9. D Lyons
10. N Montgomery
11. J Prendergast
12. A Gleeson
13. D Hutchinson
14. St Bennett
15. P Curran

McNulty should start if Iarlaith Daly isn't ready imo. It'll be interesting to see if Catharch Daly starts for under 20's tomorrow and could he start again on Sunday.
Michael Kiely too unlucky to miss out but Montgomery's form is too good for him not to start.
Patrick Curran even though I named him corner forward would probably play further out the field with a two man full forward line. Just my opinion but interested to hear other views."
If all are available that looks like the team to start to start with flexibility in positioning. An important game and we should be expecting Tipp to come out all guns blazing. There better be no complacency or it will be to our determent. I think we should be past that now and no occasion get to the team. Most have won All-Irelands at some level.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3034 - 13/04/2022 14:47:11    2410848

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What's the update on Jamie Barron lads.

Johnnypotts (Cork) - Posts: 4 - 13/04/2022 17:29:11    2410882

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Replying To Johnnypotts:  "What's the update on Jamie Barron lads."
There seems to be no update. Cahill says no one is playing except 100% fit and their hurling up to date.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3034 - 13/04/2022 19:39:39    2410897

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I haven't heard anything definitive on Jamie Barron. More rumor that he's not too far off. More likely to see him for final two games than Tipp or Limerick.

PullHard7 (Waterford) - Posts: 53 - 13/04/2022 21:35:36    2410912

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Interesting to see that daly wasn't used last night by Waterford..does this mean he will more than likely start on Sunday v tipp..I also see cork didn't use players last night either who could play v limerick..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2504 - 14/04/2022 13:27:32    2410982

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Interesting to see that daly wasn't used last night by Waterford..does this mean he will more than likely start on Sunday v tipp..I also see cork didn't use players last night either who could play v limerick.."
It is that or else he is injured. Limped off again Cork. Maybe waiting to see if someone else is fit for Sunday and then not use him. Giving him back to U20. It was a bit strange last night as a win over Kerry will put them in the same place as if they won last night. Waterford fumbling with first touch bad and goalie not great. The training of this good team should be questioned as it capable of better.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3034 - 14/04/2022 14:53:45    2411003

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Gleeson and Daly recovered from minor injuries but held in reserve with games coming up. Will only see action tomorrow if necessary. Barron will play some part tomorrow.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3034 - 16/04/2022 13:54:27    2411106

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The substitutions were the difference today. Will have to play a lot better than that to have any chance against Limerick who look colossal physically compared to anyone else. Prunty not looking as good as last year so far. It would make you wonder is Iarliath Daly safer at full back. Though Conor on a big man probably needed. Again we here these commentators about Hutchison not doing much but he ends up with 1-3. They obviously can't read the game. He is constantly pulling two defenders away from in front of the goal opening space. His sense of position is very good. I think the size of Walsh Park playing surface does not suit our game despite home advantage. One thing for sure Limerick are firm favourites with that team.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3034 - 17/04/2022 18:22:57    2411378

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Replying To Canuck:  "The substitutions were the difference today. Will have to play a lot better than that to have any chance against Limerick who look colossal physically compared to anyone else. Prunty not looking as good as last year so far. It would make you wonder is Iarliath Daly safer at full back. Though Conor on a big man probably needed. Again we here these commentators about Hutchison not doing much but he ends up with 1-3. They obviously can't read the game. He is constantly pulling two defenders away from in front of the goal opening space. His sense of position is very good. I think the size of Walsh Park playing surface does not suit our game despite home advantage. One thing for sure Limerick are firm favourites with that team."
Both results in Munster and the manner of them were not a surprise today. Tipp and Clare will fancy their chances of coming out of Munster. Both goals Waterford coughed up today were from mistakes. We looked a bit jittery in the backline and made a few too many handling errors. Something that will hopefully be rectified by next week.
I agree about Hutchinson, similar to the league final, his runs are opening up the oppositions defence.
One of the biggest difference between Limerick and Waterford is high fielding. Waterford are going to struggle in the air against Limerick especially from our own long puckouts. Waterford won't win too many in the air against their halfback line but i don't think we necessarily need to. We just need to stop them from winning clean ball, break the ball and then try and win 50 percent of those on the ground, not an easy task either.
If Limerick avoid any big injuries its difficult to see them not winning it out but i still believe Waterford will be the closest to them this year. Our puckout strategy will be key to making it a closer game than previous outings.
Our subs bench was stacked today, good to see Barron and Hogan finally back and Gleeson making a big impact as did Iarliath Daly. As you said Walsh Park pitch size is not ideal, hopefully it will be extended during the renovations.

PullHard7 (Waterford) - Posts: 53 - 17/04/2022 21:16:33    2411428

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Limerick v Waterford preview:

http://limerickhurling.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-deise-vu.html

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 19/04/2022 11:35:28    2411522

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Replying To slayer:  "Limerick v Waterford preview:

Very" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://limerickhurling.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-deise-vu.html"
Very interesting thanks

PullHard7 (Waterford) - Posts: 53 - 19/04/2022 21:57:37    2411674

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Strong Waterford team named. Strong bench also. Only Dessie from the all Ireland club champions shows the strength in depth of Waterford hurling at the minute. Hope it will be a great game .

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15578 - 22/04/2022 18:54:29    2412345

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Replying To Viking66:  "Strong Waterford team named. Strong bench also. Only Dessie from the all Ireland club champions shows the strength in depth of Waterford hurling at the minute. Hope it will be a great game ."
Feel waterford need to win this more than Limerick another heavy defeat for Waterford could do untold damage should be interesting to see are Waterford improved enough since last year time will tell.

Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 334 - 22/04/2022 21:23:12    2412379

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We don't do panic much anymore. The one time we did it cost us a seven point swing. I think it was Pendergast took a shot not too far out in panic and sent it wide. He is a great player though.
The ref had a good first half but a bad second half. Definitely a penalty on Gleeson but no call and plenty other non call and wrong calls. This hand pass is getting ridiculous. The ones called that are not and the ones missed. Not going to blame the ref. We were beaten by a better team. Limerick are an unbelievable well oiled machine.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3034 - 24/04/2022 09:36:52    2412657

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Canuck I thought ref did a decent job last night and actually allowed physical contact from both sides which led to a very exciting game..a few decisions on both sides but good overall..think Cahill made a mistake with daly,should have been taken off straight away and putting Barron on gillane..ye missed handy frees last night and probably should have scored 2 more goals..has the makings of a great hurling year with possibly 2 more games between the two teams..injuries for both sides are now what might derail championship..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2504 - 24/04/2022 11:26:44    2412687

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Replying To Canuck:  "We don't do panic much anymore. The one time we did it cost us a seven point swing. I think it was Pendergast took a shot not too far out in panic and sent it wide. He is a great player though.
The ref had a good first half but a bad second half. Definitely a penalty on Gleeson but no call and plenty other non call and wrong calls. This hand pass is getting ridiculous. The ones called that are not and the ones missed. Not going to blame the ref. We were beaten by a better team. Limerick are an unbelievable well oiled machine."
You are getting closer though Canuck. And not just on the scoreboard.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15578 - 24/04/2022 12:39:52    2412707

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Replying To Viking66:  "You are getting closer though Canuck. And not just on the scoreboard."
Not so sure. Waterford out to 5/1 from 7/2 after last night. To be fair we were down 4 starters plus Murphy as a half forward to bring on. Time will tell

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 24/04/2022 15:54:57    2412749

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