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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "You are raising that league win ye had in 2018 to an extremely inflated level of importance. Maybe Limerick got a boost from it which helped them in the championship but losing it certainly didnt do any damage to us that we needed to recover from, then or now. The damage that was done to us in 2018 was done by Clare when they brought us to a replay in the All Ireland semi final. It was a game we needed to win first day out to have ourselves fully primed for the Limerick challenge.
The result of the league game between Galway and Wexford on Sunday will have no bearing whatsoever on the championship meeting between the two sides in a few weeks time. Win or lose Galway will know (and certainly Shefflin will know) you get nothing easy in Wexford Park and nothing but the very best performance from Galway will be required if they hope to get a win there in the championship."
Looking at the league game in 2018 from Limerick point of view it gave us a belief at the time that we could mix it with the best in a tough physical game and not step back from the challenge. I'm sure it meant a lot less to Galway at the time but in the long term it could have cost ye a few AI as we grew from that. Similarly ye beating us 2 weeks ago doesn't really harm us but might give ye belief to grow and prosper-I wouldn't totally ignore certain league games especially to up and coming teams.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 899 - 25/02/2022 10:14:59    2402309

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Replying To Viking66:  "Wexfords experimental young team might have too much for Galways aging core and I expect Limerick to win also but hard to argue with your other picks!"
Sorry I think Dublin will be beat Tipp too!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15811 - 25/02/2022 10:38:08    2402312

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Wexford/Dublin double it is :-)"
Goods odds I'd say. Might take a punt myself

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3598 - 25/02/2022 10:59:40    2402314

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Replying To Viking66:  "Wexfords experimental young team might have too much for Galways aging core and I expect Limerick to win also but hard to argue with your other picks!"
That's why I said fairly straightforward because Cork, Kilkenny, Tipperary, Clare and Waterford should win handy but We Galway have it all to do to beat this brilliant Wexford team! Galway should do enough with a very strong 15 starting to win by a few points!
For us it's all about momentum and winning games because once we get into a rhythm it's better and stronger we will get.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2573 - 25/02/2022 11:42:27    2402323

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Replying To katser:  "That's why I said fairly straightforward because Cork, Kilkenny, Tipperary, Clare and Waterford should win handy but We Galway have it all to do to beat this brilliant Wexford team! Galway should do enough with a very strong 15 starting to win by a few points!
For us it's all about momentum and winning games because once we get into a rhythm it's better and stronger we will get."
Defo momentum suits both us and ye. Not saying we are both flakey but we both are historically inconsistent to say the least! I think Limerick will beat Cork because they will put a bigger effort into the game than they did the last 2. And I think Dublin are closer to their championship pitch than Tipp currently are. Salthill could go any way tbh. No result up there will surprise me.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15811 - 25/02/2022 11:50:08    2402326

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Goods odds I'd say. Might take a punt myself"
Katser is like one of those really bad racing tipsters. You do well by taking the other :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3541 - 25/02/2022 12:00:28    2402328

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Katser is like one of those really bad racing tipsters. You do well by taking the other :-)"
Hes actually not that bad of a tipster if he ever got over his dislike of Limerick. He always tips against Limerick but that's more in hope than expectation for him I believe!!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15811 - 25/02/2022 14:12:06    2402358

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Going for wins for Limerick, Galway and Clare in 1A, in 1B Kilkenny, Waterford (but tighter game than expected) and Tipp by a point or 2.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 25/02/2022 14:19:37    2402359

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Replying To Viking66:  "Hes actually not that bad of a tipster if he ever got over his dislike of Limerick. He always tips against Limerick but that's more in hope than expectation for him I believe!!!!"
I refuse to hear anything good about anyone who refuses to say anything good about Dublin hurling, despite well.... I won't rub salt into his wounds :-)

(I'll wait until May..)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3541 - 25/02/2022 15:22:24    2402365

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Replying To katser:  "That's why I said fairly straightforward because Cork, Kilkenny, Tipperary, Clare and Waterford should win handy but We Galway have it all to do to beat this brilliant Wexford team! Galway should do enough with a very strong 15 starting to win by a few points!
For us it's all about momentum and winning games because once we get into a rhythm it's better and stronger we will get."
Into a rhythm? Is it dancing your into?

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 799 - 25/02/2022 15:44:27    2402369

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Replying To updwell:  "Looking at the league game in 2018 from Limerick point of view it gave us a belief at the time that we could mix it with the best in a tough physical game and not step back from the challenge. I'm sure it meant a lot less to Galway at the time but in the long term it could have cost ye a few AI as we grew from that. Similarly ye beating us 2 weeks ago doesn't really harm us but might give ye belief to grow and prosper-I wouldn't totally ignore certain league games especially to up and coming teams."
Yes, some league games end up being very significant in the long run. Galway's league quarter-final win over Waterford in 2017 was the game that turned their season around and set them on the road to the all-Ireland. Before that game, the mood was not good in Galway as we had just missed out on promotion from division 1B for the second year in a row. Then after a stirring comeback from 10 points down against Waterford, we went on to win the league, blowing Tipp away in the final. All of a sudden the team's confidence was sky high and they were installed as strong favourites for the all-Ireland, which they subsequently justified.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 1034 - 25/02/2022 16:20:46    2402376

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I refuse to hear anything good about anyone who refuses to say anything good about Dublin hurling, despite well.... I won't rub salt into his wounds :-)

(I'll wait until May..)"
I think you will surprise more than just Katser if you stay injury free..

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15811 - 25/02/2022 18:58:47    2402405

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Replying To katser:  "That's why I said fairly straightforward because Cork, Kilkenny, Tipperary, Clare and Waterford should win handy but We Galway have it all to do to beat this brilliant Wexford team! Galway should do enough with a very strong 15 starting to win by a few points!
For us it's all about momentum and winning games because once we get into a rhythm it's better and stronger we will get."
I would have agreed with you last year up to a point. Looked serious in the league and then totally went to pot come championship. Is it just a case that Galway go back training earlier than most??

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 25/02/2022 19:31:16    2402410

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Replying To Gaillimh_Abu:  "Yes, some league games end up being very significant in the long run. Galway's league quarter-final win over Waterford in 2017 was the game that turned their season around and set them on the road to the all-Ireland. Before that game, the mood was not good in Galway as we had just missed out on promotion from division 1B for the second year in a row. Then after a stirring comeback from 10 points down against Waterford, we went on to win the league, blowing Tipp away in the final. All of a sudden the team's confidence was sky high and they were installed as strong favourites for the all-Ireland, which they subsequently justified."
Galway of all the leading contenders are exceptionally prone to one defeat set them back. Last year alone is proof of that.

I don't buy into all the pop psychology stuff but you would imagine that if there's one thing Henry brings to the table it is the Cats' total lack of navel gazing jibbers. The only important game is the next one. I doubt he will be engaged in any dummy teams or pretending that the next game - which is Wexford and hugely important for both - is irrelevant to what is going to happen not much more than a month later.

There's just not enough time these days to ship another defeat in a game where you have to lay down a marker and then turn it around a few weeks later. Look at Cork last year.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3541 - 26/02/2022 09:28:27    2402428

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Replying To updwell:  "Getting back to the league lads who wants to and who needs to win it The final is 2 weeks before championship and do teams want to be in it or would a win give a big boost to certain teams. Limerick and Clare look out of it with 2 defeats, Tipp and KK are trying to evolve and find their teams but can they do that and keep winning while Dublin, Waterford and Wexford would love to win it and are playing well. Do Galway push on for it and do Cork need silverware to help get over AI. I think I'd back Waterford with the fresh blood they have to add to the regulars."
I was thinking the same. The final is currently scheduled for 3rd April - two weeks from championship!! Crazy fixture IMO. Who would want to get to a league final with a helter skelter championship 2 weeks away? The only answer is Kilkenny! No disrespect to Westmeath & Laois but KK play both in the first two rounds or the championship. They will need a really hard competitive game before they meet Galway in their third game. The problem is none other 8 top teams will want to be there as two weeks from a very competitive championship is a bit ridiculous to be honest.

I also agree that our 2018 league win in Salthill was a major stepping stone for this Limerick bunch. Galway "bullied" us off the field twice in 2017 in Limerick - both games within 3 weeks period. It was like men against boys. After a pretty serious winter of S&C (with a lot of boxing training) we physically stood up to Galway that day in Salthill. It got heated a few times in the 2nd half if I remember correctly. JK also referenced that day a few times during their 2018 campaign. I also agree that loss meant very little to Galway as they were on a different training level at that time of the year. Limericks main goal was to get out of division 1B. The two games Galway had v Clare did take a lot out of them - then again it should never have went to a replay!

Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 26/02/2022 10:39:22    2402438

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Galway of all the leading contenders are exceptionally prone to one defeat set them back. Last year alone is proof of that.

I don't buy into all the pop psychology stuff but you would imagine that if there's one thing Henry brings to the table it is the Cats' total lack of navel gazing jibbers. The only important game is the next one. I doubt he will be engaged in any dummy teams or pretending that the next game - which is Wexford and hugely important for both - is irrelevant to what is going to happen not much more than a month later.

There's just not enough time these days to ship another defeat in a game where you have to lay down a marker and then turn it around a few weeks later. Look at Cork last year."
Galways seasoned ended on the bus ride up to Dublin last year. Other than that they've been there abouts for close to a decade so I don't think one losing a game here and there overly affects them.

SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts: 624 - 26/02/2022 10:55:02    2402441

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Replying To Seeking_silver:  "I was thinking the same. The final is currently scheduled for 3rd April - two weeks from championship!! Crazy fixture IMO. Who would want to get to a league final with a helter skelter championship 2 weeks away? The only answer is Kilkenny! No disrespect to Westmeath & Laois but KK play both in the first two rounds or the championship. They will need a really hard competitive game before they meet Galway in their third game. The problem is none other 8 top teams will want to be there as two weeks from a very competitive championship is a bit ridiculous to be honest.

I also agree that our 2018 league win in Salthill was a major stepping stone for this Limerick bunch. Galway "bullied" us off the field twice in 2017 in Limerick - both games within 3 weeks period. It was like men against boys. After a pretty serious winter of S&C (with a lot of boxing training) we physically stood up to Galway that day in Salthill. It got heated a few times in the 2nd half if I remember correctly. JK also referenced that day a few times during their 2018 campaign. I also agree that loss meant very little to Galway as they were on a different training level at that time of the year. Limericks main goal was to get out of division 1B. The two games Galway had v Clare did take a lot out of them - then again it should never have went to a replay!"
A 3 week break between league and championship would be ideal for teams to get 2 hard weeks in before winding down and getting fresh the final week. Will Cork taking on Limerick this week be a statement game for them like us in Salthill in 2018?
We have picked a team minus our 4 most physical players so it's up to Cork now to see have they improved.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 899 - 26/02/2022 11:59:30    2402456

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Kiely giving a lot of fellas a chance in this one..I'd like to see Robbie have a good game as I feel he really is a viable option for limerick..I've always thought Costello was up to it and delighted to see him get a chance..great to see Cian back even if it's just to get what happened last week out of his system..o Connell getting a run is interesting,he works hard and wins frees..could probably get more scores from he amount of ball he gets on..looking forward to this more than a lot of others specially with the starting 15..any word on what cork team is starting yet?ill be interested to see what Kingston does..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2513 - 26/02/2022 12:44:06    2402463

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Replying To updwell:  "A 3 week break between league and championship would be ideal for teams to get 2 hard weeks in before winding down and getting fresh the final week. Will Cork taking on Limerick this week be a statement game for them like us in Salthill in 2018?
We have picked a team minus our 4 most physical players so it's up to Cork now to see have they improved."
It's hard to know how modern inter county managers think. If I was Kingston I would be going out hard to beat Limerick tomorrow. I assume every other Liam McCarty county would like to see Limerick beaten. Loosing 3 in a row just might start the doubt in Limerick and give other counties more hope. Then again it could just "poke the bear" ??

Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 26/02/2022 12:49:14    2402465

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Great to see Peter Duggan back in the Clare panel along with Tony Kelly.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2325 - 26/02/2022 15:52:17    2402492

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