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Bloodyban there is a possibility that 12 of that team will start for cork come championship..limerick had at most 8..if cork didn't show something today it would never happen..I think 3 or 4 players very lucky not to get the line today,very loose with use of hurley..also with the clamp down on handpasding,will be interesting to see if it continues for championship..also think the Gaa need to do something with players holding head and removing helmets even though they don't get a belt anywhere near it..a lot of limerick fellas today looked very worried about putting in challenges specially in first half..I mentioned in earlier post that if refs are going for total crackdown on everything then hurling will be in a very bad state..it looks as if a lot of physical contact not wanted in game anymore..the 2 reds today were fully justified..I felt Kingston went to do damage and was a horrible challange..Flanagan was high and stupid as ref was going to even it up..a lot of bitterness seems to have entered the clashes Ethernet these 2 in last few years..it's looking like a spicy affair ahead in April down in cork..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2513 - 27/02/2022 18:09:31    2402773

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Bloodyban there is a possibility that 12 of that team will start for cork come championship..limerick had at most 8..if cork didn't show something today it would never happen..I think 3 or 4 players very lucky not to get the line today,very loose with use of hurley..also with the clamp down on handpasding,will be interesting to see if it continues for championship..also think the Gaa need to do something with players holding head and removing helmets even though they don't get a belt anywhere near it..a lot of limerick fellas today looked very worried about putting in challenges specially in first half..I mentioned in earlier post that if refs are going for total crackdown on everything then hurling will be in a very bad state..it looks as if a lot of physical contact not wanted in game anymore..the 2 reds today were fully justified..I felt Kingston went to do damage and was a horrible challange..Flanagan was high and stupid as ref was going to even it up..a lot of bitterness seems to have entered the clashes Ethernet these 2 in last few years..it's looking like a spicy affair ahead in April down in cork.."
Yeah I do think the ref was whistle happy particularly in the first half. A lot of scores came from frees particularly in the first 15 minutes. I do think though that will happen in the championship particularly against us. Had to put up with another showing ahead of the game of previous cards against us. As if this couldn't be done for every team up and down the country. Have no problem with cork players giving as good as they get but Tim o'mahony in particular is a right eejit looking to the ref constantly for frees. You're a big lad Tim crack on with it like any proper hurler.
I know we definitely didn't start with our first 15 but we brought serious players straight on after half time and to be fair I thought cork stood up. Anyway look the proof will be on Easter Sunday. We lose and everyone will sat the signs have been there sure look at the league, we win and sure twas only the league this is the real stuff

Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 367 - 27/02/2022 19:18:36    2402800

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Replying To Mads:  "Yeah I do think the ref was whistle happy particularly in the first half. A lot of scores came from frees particularly in the first 15 minutes. I do think though that will happen in the championship particularly against us. Had to put up with another showing ahead of the game of previous cards against us. As if this couldn't be done for every team up and down the country. Have no problem with cork players giving as good as they get but Tim o'mahony in particular is a right eejit looking to the ref constantly for frees. You're a big lad Tim crack on with it like any proper hurler.
I know we definitely didn't start with our first 15 but we brought serious players straight on after half time and to be fair I thought cork stood up. Anyway look the proof will be on Easter Sunday. We lose and everyone will sat the signs have been there sure look at the league, we win and sure twas only the league this is the real stuff"
Yeah, O'Mahoney's carry on does leave a lot to be desired.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2326 - 27/02/2022 19:32:59    2402805

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I agree on o Mahoney and to be fair he's not the only one at it..any challange now to the front and fellas are diving and making it very hard for a ref..I think until a ref books a player for simulation it's going to continue..I'm in agreement to that the lack of players putting a hand up is a big problem for kiely and the boys..id agree on o neill and I'm glad he's getting plenty of game time..two matches left in league and I feel they are now very important.

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2513 - 27/02/2022 20:37:42    2402825

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Lots of work for Limerick to do, fitness, touch, technique and most of all shooting all looked off. Cork played the far better hurling and were good value for the win. The really seemed to have the legs on us and have great pace.
Some obvious takeaways are just how important Nickys distribution is, he was missed today but Hennessy needs the game time.
As has been said here before, Nash is a major playmaker for us from the back and his creativity was missed today.
Our shooting is way off where it needs to be and the forwards in general just haven't clicked at all yet either collectively or individually no matter who played.
Missed hegartys power, he always takes on his man and more often than not breaks the tackles which opens things up for others. We don't have another player who can play this role.

We looked a lot more solid when Byrnes, WOD and Gillane came on, add Hegarty and Nash to that team and get the eye in again and I have no doubts we'll start rolling. Will be a cracker of a match when we meet again in April.

Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 437 - 27/02/2022 20:39:24    2402826

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Replying To Brian_Coyote:  "Hand passing is killing the art of hurling, this keep possession at all cost. Its as bad as in the football and is becoming a bore-fest. Limerick started it and there is no doubt it works but now Wexford, Cork, Dublin all at it. A few weeks back Wexford were expecting it against Limerick and filled the area around the lad with the ball knowing that the pass was likely to be a hand pass, great if you like basketball but if you love hurling it is awful to watch."
Brian. Handpassing has been since when Cork especially and carried on by Davy Fitz on every team he managed.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4495 - 28/02/2022 07:22:15    2402854

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Brian. Handpassing has been since when Cork especially and carried on by Davy Fitz on every team he managed."
A lot longer than that. It was always an option and you could palm ball into net in 70s.

The days of a back only being confronted by the opposing forward are long gone. If handpass was not there then it would be impossible to move the ball at times.

I don't see it as a problem at all. Fair enough if they can distinguish between a legitimate one and a throw but even at that it is not something that mars the games as a spectacle nor that irritates players and supporters relative to lots of other things.

The ref in Thurles was just obsessive. Not to mention inconsistent. To extent that when he gave one free against Dublin for a "throw" the Tipp player who had in the meantime got possession thought it was for Dublin for a push :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3545 - 28/02/2022 09:55:51    2402874

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Brian. Handpassing has been since when Cork especially and carried on by Davy Fitz on every team he managed."
Above should have said 'since at least 1999', when Cork won an Ireland won an All Ireland,

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4495 - 28/02/2022 10:03:42    2402878

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Brian. Handpassing has been since when Cork especially and carried on by Davy Fitz on every team he managed."
Spot on OTM. The Cork team of the late 90s and early noughties were the pioneers of this style. Now all teams even Tipp and Kilkenny are moving that way. Limericks recent success has been built on moving the ball fast through the lines after turning over their opponents around the middle. And I think when you watch it in full flow with no handling errors it makes for a fast exciting game!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15823 - 28/02/2022 10:19:01    2402887

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Hard to know what to make of the league but after three rounds and with the championship closer than ever you'd expect teams to be starting to come to the boil sooner rather than later.

From a Wexford perspective winning the league would be great but I think we've already gotten what we need from the league.
1. A panel of 23/24 who are good enough to play Inter County hurling and new additions in the likes of Oisin Foley, McGuckian, Oisin Pepper, Rory Higgins which in turn creates a fight for places.
2. 3 wins on the trot against top tier teams - All deserved.
3. Development of a style that suits the lads which is not overly defensive and allows them the option of a long ball to compliment the hard running/hand passing game and suits the pace we have in the team. ROC, Dunbar, Dwyer, Pepper, Flood are all lightning fast. Add in Chin, Dee O', Kev Foley and Liam Og and its easy to see why Egan is persisting with it.

Just over 6 weeks to Championship. Roll on

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 28/02/2022 11:43:26    2402914

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Hard to know what to make of the league but after three rounds and with the championship closer than ever you'd expect teams to be starting to come to the boil sooner rather than later.

From a Wexford perspective winning the league would be great but I think we've already gotten what we need from the league.
1. A panel of 23/24 who are good enough to play Inter County hurling and new additions in the likes of Oisin Foley, McGuckian, Oisin Pepper, Rory Higgins which in turn creates a fight for places.
2. 3 wins on the trot against top tier teams - All deserved.
3. Development of a style that suits the lads which is not overly defensive and allows them the option of a long ball to compliment the hard running/hand passing game and suits the pace we have in the team. ROC, Dunbar, Dwyer, Pepper, Flood are all lightning fast. Add in Chin, Dee O', Kev Foley and Liam Og and its easy to see why Egan is persisting with it.

Just over 6 weeks to Championship. Roll on"
I have to admit while I've never been the biggest fan of Wexford I have enjoyed watching them play so far this . All the players seem to be chomping at the bit, the style of play under Daragh Egan suits them a lot better that Davy.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2326 - 28/02/2022 13:57:11    2402979

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Hard to know what to make of the league but after three rounds and with the championship closer than ever you'd expect teams to be starting to come to the boil sooner rather than later.

From a Wexford perspective winning the league would be great but I think we've already gotten what we need from the league.
1. A panel of 23/24 who are good enough to play Inter County hurling and new additions in the likes of Oisin Foley, McGuckian, Oisin Pepper, Rory Higgins which in turn creates a fight for places.
2. 3 wins on the trot against top tier teams - All deserved.
3. Development of a style that suits the lads which is not overly defensive and allows them the option of a long ball to compliment the hard running/hand passing game and suits the pace we have in the team. ROC, Dunbar, Dwyer, Pepper, Flood are all lightning fast. Add in Chin, Dee O', Kev Foley and Liam Og and its easy to see why Egan is persisting with it.

Just over 6 weeks to Championship. Roll on"
Good Year so far for the Yellow Bellies Davy was supressing them now a lot more freedom I like Egan as a Manager too could go places this year ROC excellent again yesterday.

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 987 - 28/02/2022 14:46:52    2402998

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Good weekend's hurling: Dublin beating Tipp; Cork having the mettle to dish it out to Limk; and Antrim pushing the Deise to the pin of their collars.

All the other games went as expected; the established counties handily taking care of the lesser renowned hurling areas. However, overall a very good weekend for hurling. Perhaps Cork is better than I'd gauged.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2231 - 28/02/2022 18:18:32    2403085

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Good weekend's hurling: Dublin beating Tipp; Cork having the mettle to dish it out to Limk; and Antrim pushing the Deise to the pin of their collars.

All the other games went as expected; the established counties handily taking care of the lesser renowned hurling areas. However, overall a very good weekend for hurling. Perhaps Cork is better than I'd gauged."
Thought you reckoned Galway would beat us lad?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15823 - 01/03/2022 09:37:32    2403150

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Replying To clooney:  "Good Year so far for the Yellow Bellies Davy was supressing them now a lot more freedom I like Egan as a Manager too could go places this year ROC excellent again yesterday."
I think in Rory O'Connor Wexford have a hurler as good as any forward in the country. The new game plan seems to have thrown the schackles off and we are mixing the long and short balls. An inside forward line of O'Connor and McDonald has potential to wreak havoc.
Nobody is getting carried away, they are only league matches in Feb. But Egan has widened the squad, given game time to people deemed not worth a chance last year. A host of new names and faces are getting game time, they won't all make it but competition for places will be fierce by the time Galway come to the Park on Easter Sunday.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1836 - 01/03/2022 09:58:06    2403165

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Replying To Viking66:  "Thought you reckoned Galway would beat us lad?"
I kinda did, yeah, because it's only the league and Galway were at home. However, I wouldn't rate them as a better county than Wexford. 9 outta 10 times, Wexford would beat Galway.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2231 - 01/03/2022 10:21:43    2403175

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "I kinda did, yeah, because it's only the league and Galway were at home. However, I wouldn't rate them as a better county than Wexford. 9 outta 10 times, Wexford would beat Galway."
Fascinating insight.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1836 - 01/03/2022 12:31:40    2403219

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Fascinating insight."
I wouldnt agree with him at all much though I'd like to.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15823 - 02/03/2022 07:36:18    2403354

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Replying To Brian_Coyote:  "Hand passing is killing the art of hurling, this keep possession at all cost. Its as bad as in the football and is becoming a bore-fest. Limerick started it and there is no doubt it works but now Wexford, Cork, Dublin all at it. A few weeks back Wexford were expecting it against Limerick and filled the area around the lad with the ball knowing that the pass was likely to be a hand pass, great if you like basketball but if you love hurling it is awful to watch."
I fully disagree. Hurling right now is as good as it ever was; faster and more skillful even.

It is obvious that you can't please everyone, and it seems particularly not persona from the weaker counties. I'd say that even if they made the sliothar square that it still wouldn't help certain counties win McCarthy.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2231 - 02/03/2022 08:20:27    2403355

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "I kinda did, yeah, because it's only the league and Galway were at home. However, I wouldn't rate them as a better county than Wexford. 9 outta 10 times, Wexford would beat Galway."
I wish I had that confidence.

We are better historically, but not so much in the last 20 odd years.

I'm rarely confident of beating them and was very pleasantly surprised last week.

If anything, that mate me less confident about the championship meeting.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3602 - 02/03/2022 09:44:19    2403375

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