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Replying To jacktheboy:  "Last Championship game between them , who won and by how much."
Wait... are we talking about 2019 or 2021 rankings?

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 28/06/2021 12:45:38    2354120

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Replying To galwayford:  "This is typical Meath whinging. Meath will not win, they will get hockeyed. Not Kildare. Kildare at least try and go out and compete. Meath just sit on the sidelines imho and whinge and moan."
Whinging about what? I am stating facts. Never tried to claim Meath are in a good place, just merely pointing out there are about half a dozen counties, Galway and Kildare included on a hiding to nothing. Meath were hopeless v Dublin last year but Kildare were even more so against Meath. The game is in a bad state and even worse of Galway people are worrying or comparing themselves to Meath.

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 305 - 28/06/2021 12:46:53    2354121

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "Mayo on a higher tier than Donegal and Tyrone haha. Now that is comical!"
The funny thing is with Mayo in that rankings list is both Kerry and Dublin have in fact destroyed Mayo numerous times but they have the cheek to say they are on the same level!

McGo72 (Donegal) - Posts: 48 - 28/06/2021 13:04:02    2354131

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "Wait... are we talking about 2019 or 2021 rankings?"
Both give same answer.

Offtheball10 (Meath) - Posts: 44 - 28/06/2021 13:06:35    2354132

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Replying To Offtheball10:  "Both give same answer."
How do Mayo rate on a higher tier/level than Donegal or Tyrone? One played in Division 2 and the other 2 played in Division 1 and maintained division 1 status. I'm somewhat confused. Sometimes I feel like I'm watching a different game to a lot of other folk.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 28/06/2021 13:12:27    2354135

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Replying To winatallcost:  "This thread is about rankings of the senior teams is it not? Meath are beginning to make progress at underage but for Meath or Galway, it counts for little if it does not translate to senior. Corofin have been an excellent team but again its not transferring to intercounty. Club football in Meath is and always was quite strong but traditionally never used to excel on the national stage. To me there is little to separate Meath, Galway, Kildare, Cork, Roscommon, Monaghan, Armagh. They are all certainly much closer to each other than to Dublin or Kerry."
Are you lot on something?

Meath are NOT on the same level as Galway, Roscommon and Monaghan. Kildare beat you in the promotion play off and Armagh have beaten Roscommon comfortably and Monaghan already this season. The only team Meath have beaten this season is two of the worst teams I have seen play all season - and I have watched Antrim and Louth play.

Get your head down out of those clouds son because the thin air you are breathing is making you dreamy.

McGo72 (Donegal) - Posts: 48 - 28/06/2021 13:14:59    2354136

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Replying To Offtheball10:  "They 100% are at the moment.

Donegal and Tyrone have done nothing, absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise to date for a long long time.

In 2019 which was the most recent full season Mayo won the league and got to an all ireland semi final, comfortably beating Donegal in a straight knockout championship game along the way.

In 2020 Mayo got to the all ireland final, Donegal and Tyrone on the other hand......

if you go back to the years prior to this Mayo were miles ahead of them both.

I can't work out on what basis Donegal or Tyrone (even Kerry it could be argued) deserve to be ahead of Mayo currently.

The only thing is the injury of Cillian O'Connor, which is a huge loss, but Donegal will suffer without Murphy also."
You keep referring back to prior years. We are talking about 2021 rankings. If we talked about last years ranking then why is Cavan not in the top 4. How are Tipp not in top 4? Why are Kerry ahead of Cork and Tipp? We are talking about 2021 rankings and to put a Division 2 team ahead of an unbeaten Division 1 team (exception of the dublin game) is a bit absurd. If anything, they belong in the same tier. I'm not saying Donegal are ahead of Mayo but to say that Mayo are in a higher league than Donegal is stupid. This is just sour grapes.

You are right about previous years. Mayo got to an AI semi final in 2019 after being hammered by Kerry (Donegal drew with Kerry). Mayo beat Donegal in a win or nothing game but to suggest Mayo were miles ahead of Donegal is absurd. Last year Mayo played a weak Roscommon team and massively overrated Galway team to earn a semi final against Tipperary for an AI final. To even suggest they were miles ahead then is absurd. Donegal and Mayo, in my opinion, is on a par with each other at the minute.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 28/06/2021 13:20:02    2354139

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Replying To McGo72:  "The funny thing is with Mayo in that rankings list is both Kerry and Dublin have in fact destroyed Mayo numerous times but they have the cheek to say they are on the same level!"
The only time recently Kerry 'destroyed' Mayo was in the meaningless 1st round of the super 8s in 2019 which didn't account to anything as they both ended up qualifying from the group. Donegal didn't btw and Mayo beat them when it mattered most for both counties.

can't understand Donegal and Tyrones dislike of Mayo. does it stem from the fact they have regularly outperformed than in recent seasons?

Offtheball10 (Meath) - Posts: 44 - 28/06/2021 13:20:44    2354140

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "How do Mayo rate on a higher tier/level than Donegal or Tyrone? One played in Division 2 and the other 2 played in Division 1 and maintained division 1 status. I'm somewhat confused. Sometimes I feel like I'm watching a different game to a lot of other folk."
So you're basing the rankings of these counties on the 4 game National league campaigns of this year (which mayo won all of there games without breaking sweat and are back in div 1 at first attempt) and not taking into account recent championships? That makes sense............

Offtheball10 (Meath) - Posts: 44 - 28/06/2021 13:23:58    2354143

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "You keep referring back to prior years. We are talking about 2021 rankings. If we talked about last years ranking then why is Cavan not in the top 4. How are Tipp not in top 4? Why are Kerry ahead of Cork and Tipp? We are talking about 2021 rankings and to put a Division 2 team ahead of an unbeaten Division 1 team (exception of the dublin game) is a bit absurd. If anything, they belong in the same tier. I'm not saying Donegal are ahead of Mayo but to say that Mayo are in a higher league than Donegal is stupid. This is just sour grapes.

You are right about previous years. Mayo got to an AI semi final in 2019 after being hammered by Kerry (Donegal drew with Kerry). Mayo beat Donegal in a win or nothing game but to suggest Mayo were miles ahead of Donegal is absurd. Last year Mayo played a weak Roscommon team and massively overrated Galway team to earn a semi final against Tipperary for an AI final. To even suggest they were miles ahead then is absurd. Donegal and Mayo, in my opinion, is on a par with each other at the minute."
Surely you have to take recent years championship performances into account as well as this years league considering it was a 4 game league campaign and championship has just started?

Offtheball10 (Meath) - Posts: 44 - 28/06/2021 13:26:13    2354144

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Replying To Offtheball10:  "The only time recently Kerry 'destroyed' Mayo was in the meaningless 1st round of the super 8s in 2019 which didn't account to anything as they both ended up qualifying from the group. Donegal didn't btw and Mayo beat them when it mattered most for both counties.

can't understand Donegal and Tyrones dislike of Mayo. does it stem from the fact they have regularly outperformed than in recent seasons?"
There is no dislike with Mayo. I'm willing to bet everyone in Tyrone and Donegal would love for Mayo to win the AI if Donegal or Tyrone are no longer in the championship. It's just the fact that they are overrated the past number of years and to put them a league above Donegal and Tyrone is mad.

You say it was a meaningless game down in Killarney - you make it out as if it was a challenge match. The Mayo lads didn't go into that game thinking here lads we will rest ourselves for Meath and Donegal. Fair play to the way Mayo recoved after that game to beat Meath (Obviously a given as they are useless) and a Donegal team that didn't fire that day.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 28/06/2021 13:27:00    2354146

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Replying To Offtheball10:  "So you're basing the rankings of these counties on the 4 game National league campaigns of this year (which mayo won all of there games without breaking sweat and are back in div 1 at first attempt) and not taking into account recent championships? That makes sense............"
Well, how can you even put Mayo on a higher tier than Donegal based off the 2020 Championship. Mayo played noone until they got Dublin in the final and we all know how that went. Without breaking a sweat? They were made to work hard for it against Westmeath or was that another meaningless game?

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 28/06/2021 13:28:51    2354148

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "Well, how can you even put Mayo on a higher tier than Donegal based off the 2020 Championship. Mayo played noone until they got Dublin in the final and we all know how that went. Without breaking a sweat? They were made to work hard for it against Westmeath or was that another meaningless game?"
You need to read things slower. Surely the first question is not serious? Yes Mayo did lose an All Ireland Final by 5 points to the best team of all time in Dublin. I haven't once stated they have done better than Dublin. They certainly have been doing a lot better than Donegal for some time.
Mayo strolled through division 2 this year and i'm saying that bearing in mind my own county played them this year as well.

Offtheball10 (Meath) - Posts: 44 - 28/06/2021 13:38:04    2354155

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "Well, how can you even put Mayo on a higher tier than Donegal based off the 2020 Championship. Mayo played noone until they got Dublin in the final and we all know how that went. Without breaking a sweat? They were made to work hard for it against Westmeath or was that another meaningless game?"
Donegal played no one in the 2020 championship and they still got bet (sorry Cavan)

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 885 - 28/06/2021 13:54:48    2354159

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Replying To Offtheball10:  "You need to read things slower. Surely the first question is not serious? Yes Mayo did lose an All Ireland Final by 5 points to the best team of all time in Dublin. I haven't once stated they have done better than Dublin. They certainly have been doing a lot better than Donegal for some time.
Mayo strolled through division 2 this year and i'm saying that bearing in mind my own county played them this year as well."
Use your head man. You are deliberately missing the point. You are saying that Mayo are in a different league than Donegal. My point is how can you put them in a different league? Yes Donegal have fallen at unexpected hurdles the last two years (1 against Cavan and 1 against Mayo). But it's crazy to suggest that Mayo have been miles ahead of Donegal the last two years. In 2019, Mayo lost 2 games in the Championship and Donegal lost 1 and drew with eventual AI finalists, Kerry, that year. Yes, Mayo beat Donegal in a shootout in which Donegal played their worst game of the year but that's football I suppose. In 2020, Mayo played Tipp to earn a spot in the AI final whereas Donegal slipped up against Cavan in a 1 in 100 game for Cavan. Donegal maintained Division 1 status and Mayo lost Division 1 status. In 2021, Donegal maintained division 1 status by remaining unbeaten (Exception of the semi final) and Mayo were promoted back to Division 1 by playing minnows such as Meath, Westmeath, Clare etc. Based off those analysis, I wouldn't be rushing to put Mayo miles ahead or a league above Donegal.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 28/06/2021 13:55:20    2354160

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Replying To Offtheball10:  "The only time recently Kerry 'destroyed' Mayo was in the meaningless 1st round of the super 8s in 2019 which didn't account to anything as they both ended up qualifying from the group. Donegal didn't btw and Mayo beat them when it mattered most for both counties.

can't understand Donegal and Tyrones dislike of Mayo. does it stem from the fact they have regularly outperformed than in recent seasons?"
There is no dislike for Mayo, there needs to be a reality check for them. Donegal aren't setting the world alight and I for one don't have much in terms of expectations of beating Dublin. Mayo seem to think they are on the same level as Dublin and Kerry when it just isn't the case.

McGo72 (Donegal) - Posts: 48 - 28/06/2021 14:01:35    2354162

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Donegal played no one in the 2020 championship and they still got bet (sorry Cavan)"
Donegal played Tyrone and Armagh..... 2 Division 1 teams. Pretty sure Armagh made light work of Roscommon this year. Galway were lucky to not have played them as well.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 28/06/2021 14:02:08    2354163

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Donegal played no one in the 2020 championship and they still got bet (sorry Cavan)"
They played Tyrone and Armagh. Would hardly call them "no one" as both would beat anything Mayo would face in Connacht.

McGo72 (Donegal) - Posts: 48 - 28/06/2021 14:04:07    2354164

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Replying To McGo72:  "They played Tyrone and Armagh. Would hardly call them "no one" as both would beat anything Mayo would face in Connacht."
Both would beat Cavan in a championship game as would Mayo.

Offtheball10 (Meath) - Posts: 44 - 28/06/2021 14:15:15    2354168

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Rankings have to be based on past results: how far a team progressed in the championship plus how they did against the Dubs and other teams regarded as contenders. In terms of rankings Mayo deserve to be up there, but prospects are a different thing and I wouldn't put Mayo's 2021 prospects ahead of Donegal, Tyrone, Galway or Monaghan. The Dubs are out on their own and Kerry look to have more potential this year to deny the Dubs another AI. Things might pan out differently like they did last year but we still ended up with the same No 1.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2447 - 28/06/2021 14:17:52    2354169

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