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Theres Dublin and Kerry at the top.
Donegal, Mayo, Monaghan, Tyrone, Armagh and Galway are fighting for places in the pecking order behind them.
Kerry can win this year's AI .
Don't judge them against Tyrone. A team that travelled 6 to 7 hours from Omagh that day and back home again after the match.
Id hazard a guess that won't happen again.
border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 22/06/2021 19:38:00
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Replying To border Gael: "Theres Dublin and Kerry at the top.
Donegal, Mayo, Monaghan, Tyrone, Armagh and Galway are fighting for places in the pecking order behind them.
Kerry can win this year's AI .
Don't judge them against Tyrone. A team that travelled 6 to 7 hours from Omagh that day and back home again after the match.
Id hazard a guess that won't happen again." In fairness the trip back home wouldn't have affected Tyrone's performance. The match was over by then.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2155 - 22/06/2021 22:32:28
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Replying To endgame: "In fairness the trip back home wouldn't have affected Tyrone's performance. The match was over by then." Funny but in fairness a 7 hour trip before a game would definately drain the players a little. It would nt happen in a championship match.
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Funny but in fairness a 7 hour trip before a game would definately drain the players a little. It would nt happen in a championship match." Surely Tyrone stayed in a hotel? If not, then it definitely puts a different perspective on the result. It still doesn't take away from the ruthlessness of Kerry that day though.
MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 23/06/2021 17:11:04
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CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 23/06/2021 17:56:56
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How about ranking the announced refs who have a very difficult job but it is okay to express an opinion. In hurling McCarthy cup I would rank James Owen first and Fergal Horgan last.
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1. Dublin
2. Kerry
3. Mayo
4. Donegal
5. Armagh
6. Tyrone
7. Monaghan
8. Galway
9. Roscommon
10. Kildare
bobo91 (Monaghan) - Posts: 16 - 25/06/2021 08:54:57
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Replying To border Gael: "Theres Dublin and Kerry at the top.
Donegal, Mayo, Monaghan, Tyrone, Armagh and Galway are fighting for places in the pecking order behind them.
Kerry can win this year's AI .
Don't judge them against Tyrone. A team that travelled 6 to 7 hours from Omagh that day and back home again after the match.
Id hazard a guess that won't happen again." I'm pretty sure i heard on the radio commentary during the match they were in Killarney for the weekend. They were definitely staying after the match. If they travelled the day of the match then that`would explain them being heavy legged but tbf to the Kerry boys they were on fire on the day, fair play to them. Although they still conceded was it 1-14 which would be a samll concern given how poorly Tyrone played. I don't doubt Kerry's scoring powers but its the other end you'd worry for them. They don't seem to have any great natural defenders like a Moynihan or O'Se, or a Mike McCarthy or Eamonn Fitzmaurice, fine footballers but tough hard men too. That could be their undoing against Dublin, who i would say in Fitzsimons, Small, Byrne, McDaid and McCarthy have better defenders
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Replying To bobo91: "1. Dublin
2. Kerry
3. Mayo
4. Donegal
5. Armagh
6. Tyrone
7. Monaghan
8. Galway
9. Roscommon
10. Kildare" 1. Dublin Rightly deserve the No. 1 spot self-explanatory.
2. Mayo Until this season is over Mayo rightly deserve the No 2 spot.
3. Kerry Just about deserve the No. 3 spot.
4. Donegal. Either them or Kerry
5. Monaghan Why not.?
6. Galway Should they get to Connaught final, they are in bonus territory.
7. Tyrone No higher than position 7
8. Armagh Lucky to be included in top 10
9. Roscommon Predictably unpredictable .
10. Kildare. Brilliantly complacent Magnificently unpredictable, etc, etc, etc,
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 25/06/2021 10:27:58
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Replying To supersub15: "1. Dublin Rightly deserve the No. 1 spot self-explanatory.
2. Mayo Until this season is over Mayo rightly deserve the No 2 spot.
3. Kerry Just about deserve the No. 3 spot.
4. Donegal. Either them or Kerry
5. Monaghan Why not.?
6. Galway Should they get to Connaught final, they are in bonus territory.
7. Tyrone No higher than position 7
8. Armagh Lucky to be included in top 10
9. Roscommon Predictably unpredictable .
10. Kildare. Brilliantly complacent Magnificently unpredictable, etc, etc, etc," Armagh lucky to be in top 10 lol after winning two games in div 1 and beating us (Monaghan) who you have in 5th. What are you smokin in carlow?
bobo91 (Monaghan) - Posts: 16 - 25/06/2021 11:31:26
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Replying To supersub15: "1. Dublin Rightly deserve the No. 1 spot self-explanatory.
2. Mayo Until this season is over Mayo rightly deserve the No 2 spot.
3. Kerry Just about deserve the No. 3 spot.
4. Donegal. Either them or Kerry
5. Monaghan Why not.?
6. Galway Should they get to Connaught final, they are in bonus territory.
7. Tyrone No higher than position 7
8. Armagh Lucky to be included in top 10
9. Roscommon Predictably unpredictable .
10. Kildare. Brilliantly complacent Magnificently unpredictable, etc, etc, etc," If Armagh are lucky to be in the top 10 who replaces them?
Galway who were relegated ahead of Tyrone who got to a league semi final
Mayo who played in division 2 ahead of joint league winners Kerry... who are just about equal to Donegal....
Pass the sick Bucket.....
I'm not sure if i have done this already but here goes
1 Dublin - Obviously
2 Kerry - closest challenger to Dublin but can be flaky and have an off day, great natural talent puts them in second
3 Mayo - Its close between themselves and Kerry but i think Kerry would beat them 7 or 8 times out of ten. Mayo might win one. Not a slight on Mayo they've consistently proven themselves but can they do it without COC this year.
4 Donegal - Have all the tools both sides of the pitch but there something strange that holds them back from the big break through. Michael Murphy starting to break down might affect them terminally.
5 Tyrone - A bad day v Kerry shouldn't rule them out of a top 5 slot. A new management team trying to play to their strengths could see them improve leaps and bounds in the next couple of years
6 Monaghan - consistently prove everyone wrong. Perrenial relegation contenders but always pull out the results to stay where they are. Stayed in division 1 and playing very good football, for a county with a small population and don't regularly challenge at underage grades they have some great footballers coming in each year to supplement whats there. They've some of the best players in the country in their positions in Beggan, O'Connell and McManus. That makes a difference as the teams below them might have 1 or 2 players of that calibre.
7 - 10 Galway, Roscommon, Kildare, Armagh - no particular order on these teams, all interchangeable, can be magnificent and awful all at the same time and lack any kind of consistency over a couple of years to be ranked any higher than this.
11 - 14 Cork, Meath Clare, Derry - no particular order all battling to break into the upper echelons. The first three could on a day beat one of the teams in the 7-10 range but could be just as easily beaten. Derry are fast improving under Rory Gallagher and players seem to be paying great football. Their challenge will beat to beat three teams in this group in the 2022 league. All lack a top tier player that can be a game changer and teams above them would be overly concerned about.
15 - 18 Westmeath, Down, Laois, Offaly - They could all beat each other on a given day and they could move up or down but would find it hard to beat the teams in the tier above them. Might run them close but likely they'd lose.
Everyone else.... in whatever order people want
Cavan and Tipp should be much higher and inside this list but their league form and drop to division 4 means they'd be also rans for me. They were a great romance last summer however were found out in Croke Park... Cavan won Ulster based on defeating a Donegal team with their eyes firmly on Dublin and not the job at hand in Cavan... Tipp beat a Cork team that couldn't quite believe they'd taken down Kerry to be in the final. That in no way takes away from their achievements, as a Meath man i can only dream about a sunday like they had and wining a provincial championship.
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Replying To supersub15: "1. Dublin Rightly deserve the No. 1 spot self-explanatory.
2. Mayo Until this season is over Mayo rightly deserve the No 2 spot.
3. Kerry Just about deserve the No. 3 spot.
4. Donegal. Either them or Kerry
5. Monaghan Why not.?
6. Galway Should they get to Connaught final, they are in bonus territory.
7. Tyrone No higher than position 7
8. Armagh Lucky to be included in top 10
9. Roscommon Predictably unpredictable .
10. Kildare. Brilliantly complacent Magnificently unpredictable, etc, etc, etc," What are you on?
McGo72 (Donegal) - Posts: 67 - 25/06/2021 12:12:35
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Replying To brian: " Replying To supersub15: "1. Dublin Rightly deserve the No. 1 spot self-explanatory.
2. Mayo Until this season is over Mayo rightly deserve the No 2 spot.
3. Kerry Just about deserve the No. 3 spot.
4. Donegal. Either them or Kerry
5. Monaghan Why not.?
6. Galway Should they get to Connaught final, they are in bonus territory.
7. Tyrone No higher than position 7
8. Armagh Lucky to be included in top 10
9. Roscommon Predictably unpredictable .
10. Kildare. Brilliantly complacent Magnificently unpredictable, etc, etc, etc," If Armagh are lucky to be in the top 10 who replaces them? Galway who were relegated ahead of Tyrone who got to a league semi final Mayo who played in division 2 ahead of joint league winners Kerry... who are just about equal to Donegal.... Pass the sick Bucket..... I'm not sure if i have done this already but here goes 1 Dublin - Obviously 2 Kerry - closest challenger to Dublin but can be flaky and have an off day, great natural talent puts them in second 3 Mayo - Its close between themselves and Kerry but i think Kerry would beat them 7 or 8 times out of ten. Mayo might win one. Not a slight on Mayo they've consistently proven themselves but can they do it without COC this year. 4 Donegal - Have all the tools both sides of the pitch but there something strange that holds them back from the big break through. Michael Murphy starting to break down might affect them terminally. 5 Tyrone - A bad day v Kerry shouldn't rule them out of a top 5 slot. A new management team trying to play to their strengths could see them improve leaps and bounds in the next couple of years 6 Monaghan - consistently prove everyone wrong. Perrenial relegation contenders but always pull out the results to stay where they are. Stayed in division 1 and playing very good football, for a county with a small population and don't regularly challenge at underage grades they have some great footballers coming in each year to supplement whats there. They've some of the best players in the country in their positions in Beggan, O'Connell and McManus. That makes a difference as the teams below them might have 1 or 2 players of that calibre. 7 - 10 Galway, Roscommon, Kildare, Armagh - no particular order on these teams, all interchangeable, can be magnificent and awful all at the same time and lack any kind of consistency over a couple of years to be ranked any higher than this. 11 - 14 Cork, Meath Clare, Derry - no particular order all battling to break into the upper echelons. The first three could on a day beat one of the teams in the 7-10 range but could be just as easily beaten. Derry are fast improving under Rory Gallagher and players seem to be paying great football. Their challenge will beat to beat three teams in this group in the 2022 league. All lack a top tier player that can be a game changer and teams above them would be overly concerned about. 15 - 18 Westmeath, Down, Laois, Offaly - They could all beat each other on a given day and they could move up or down but would find it hard to beat the teams in the tier above them. Might run them close but likely they'd lose. Everyone else.... in whatever order people want Cavan and Tipp should be much higher and inside this list but their league form and drop to division 4 means they'd be also rans for me. They were a great romance last summer however were found out in Croke Park... Cavan won Ulster based on defeating a Donegal team with their eyes firmly on Dublin and not the job at hand in Cavan... Tipp beat a Cork team that couldn't quite believe they'd taken down Kerry to be in the final. That in no way takes away from their achievements, as a Meath man i can only dream about a sunday like they had and wining a provincial championship."
2. Mayo. - Most certainly, over the past 6 or 7 years Mayo kept gaelic football from going into a tail spin, Mayo came back year after year from heart breaking All Ireland drawn games to heart breaking All Ireland defeats and related issues that would normally stop any county team from delivering on the day, Kerry had their chance including the drawn game with the Dub's. No other county came anyway close to knocking Mayo out of the No. 2 spot.
3. There's more than day light between Mayo and Kerry so with great respect and admiration I will allocate the No. 3 spot to Kerry'
4. Since Donegal won their last All Ireland title they seemed to have waned away a bit, Michael Murphy kept their profile up almost on his own, the media zoomed in and took advantage of Murphy's great performances and raised his and Donegal's profile even higher. Like I said it's between Kerry and Donegal for the No. 3 spot.
5. Monaghan for the No. 5 spot because like you say they consistently prove everyone wrong, avoid relegation because of their work rate in getting the results to keep them in the top flight, adding anything else would be only repeating your own comments.
6. Galway at No. 6 -.I would Galway above Roscommon and Kildare. Galway would be victorious over Roscommon this year with ease, and of Kidare with a little less ease, not much though. More effort needed from Galway to account for Armagh agreed, not much either though, I still give the nod to Galway over Tyrone,
7. So Tyrone stays in the No. 7 spot,
8. Armagh Lucky to be included in top 10, Since Mc Geeney took over as manager he truthfully has done nothing wonderful for Armagh, their last league game this year went down to the wire with Roscommon to avoid relegation which they did, at one stage I was thinking of including Derry in the top 10 at the expense of Armagh but I decided against that idea.
9. Roscommon at No 9 spot, for the very reason Armagh is one notch above them, no difference between the two as they both fought it out in a relegation battle a couple of games back.
10. Still at the No.10 spot. As I previously said they can be - Brilliantly complacent Magnificently unpredictable, etc, etc, etc,"
Absolutely no disrespect to any county for not giving them preference to make the top 10 or indeed in related pecking order but that's the way I see it.
Also re brian (Meath) - - - very good post.
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Wicklowman (Wicklow) - Posts: 1138 - 25/06/2021 20:26:38
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Replying To Canuck: "How about ranking the announced refs who have a very difficult job but it is okay to express an opinion. In hurling McCarthy cup I would rank James Owen first and Fergal Horgan last." In fairness your question should have been asked on a new and different thread.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 25/06/2021 20:36:51
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Replying To supersub15: " Replying To brian: "[quote=supersub15: "1. Dublin Rightly deserve the No. 1 spot self-explanatory.
2. Mayo Until this season is over Mayo rightly deserve the No 2 spot.
3. Kerry Just about deserve the No. 3 spot.
4. Donegal. Either them or Kerry
5. Monaghan Why not.?
6. Galway Should they get to Connaught final, they are in bonus territory.
7. Tyrone No higher than position 7
8. Armagh Lucky to be included in top 10
9. Roscommon Predictably unpredictable .
10. Kildare. Brilliantly complacent Magnificently unpredictable, etc, etc, etc," If Armagh are lucky to be in the top 10 who replaces them? Galway who were relegated ahead of Tyrone who got to a league semi final Mayo who played in division 2 ahead of joint league winners Kerry... who are just about equal to Donegal.... Pass the sick Bucket..... I'm not sure if i have done this already but here goes 1 Dublin - Obviously 2 Kerry - closest challenger to Dublin but can be flaky and have an off day, great natural talent puts them in second 3 Mayo - Its close between themselves and Kerry but i think Kerry would beat them 7 or 8 times out of ten. Mayo might win one. Not a slight on Mayo they've consistently proven themselves but can they do it without COC this year. 4 Donegal - Have all the tools both sides of the pitch but there something strange that holds them back from the big break through. Michael Murphy starting to break down might affect them terminally. 5 Tyrone - A bad day v Kerry shouldn't rule them out of a top 5 slot. A new management team trying to play to their strengths could see them improve leaps and bounds in the next couple of years 6 Monaghan - consistently prove everyone wrong. Perrenial relegation contenders but always pull out the results to stay where they are. Stayed in division 1 and playing very good football, for a county with a small population and don't regularly challenge at underage grades they have some great footballers coming in each year to supplement whats there. They've some of the best players in the country in their positions in Beggan, O'Connell and McManus. That makes a difference as the teams below them might have 1 or 2 players of that calibre. 7 - 10 Galway, Roscommon, Kildare, Armagh - no particular order on these teams, all interchangeable, can be magnificent and awful all at the same time and lack any kind of consistency over a couple of years to be ranked any higher than this. 11 - 14 Cork, Meath Clare, Derry - no particular order all battling to break into the upper echelons. The first three could on a day beat one of the teams in the 7-10 range but could be just as easily beaten. Derry are fast improving under Rory Gallagher and players seem to be paying great football. Their challenge will beat to beat three teams in this group in the 2022 league. All lack a top tier player that can be a game changer and teams above them would be overly concerned about. 15 - 18 Westmeath, Down, Laois, Offaly - They could all beat each other on a given day and they could move up or down but would find it hard to beat the teams in the tier above them. Might run them close but likely they'd lose. Everyone else.... in whatever order people want Cavan and Tipp should be much higher and inside this list but their league form and drop to division 4 means they'd be also rans for me. They were a great romance last summer however were found out in Croke Park... Cavan won Ulster based on defeating a Donegal team with their eyes firmly on Dublin and not the job at hand in Cavan... Tipp beat a Cork team that couldn't quite believe they'd taken down Kerry to be in the final. That in no way takes away from their achievements, as a Meath man i can only dream about a sunday like they had and wining a provincial championship."
2. Mayo. - Most certainly, over the past 6 or 7 years Mayo kept gaelic football from going into a tail spin, Mayo came back year after year from heart breaking All Ireland drawn games to heart breaking All Ireland defeats and related issues that would normally stop any county team from delivering on the day, Kerry had their chance including the drawn game with the Dub's. No other county came anyway close to knocking Mayo out of the No. 2 spot.
3. There's more than day light between Mayo and Kerry so with great respect and admiration I will allocate the No. 3 spot to Kerry'
4. Since Donegal won their last All Ireland title they seemed to have waned away a bit, Michael Murphy kept their profile up almost on his own, the media zoomed in and took advantage of Murphy's great performances and raised his and Donegal's profile even higher. Like I said it's between Kerry and Donegal for the No. 3 spot.
5. Monaghan for the No. 5 spot because like you say they consistently prove everyone wrong, avoid relegation because of their work rate in getting the results to keep them in the top flight, adding anything else would be only repeating your own comments.
6. Galway at No. 6 -.I would Galway above Roscommon and Kildare. Galway would be victorious over Roscommon this year with ease, and of Kidare with a little less ease, not much though. More effort needed from Galway to account for Armagh agreed, not much either though, I still give the nod to Galway over Tyrone,
7. So Tyrone stays in the No. 7 spot,
8. Armagh Lucky to be included in top 10, Since Mc Geeney took over as manager he truthfully has done nothing wonderful for Armagh, their last league game this year went down to the wire with Roscommon to avoid relegation which they did, at one stage I was thinking of including Derry in the top 10 at the expense of Armagh but I decided against that idea.
9. Roscommon at No 9 spot, for the very reason Armagh is one notch above them, no difference between the two as they both fought it out in a relegation battle a couple of games back.
10. Still at the No.10 spot. As I previously said they can be - Brilliantly complacent Magnificently unpredictable, etc, etc, etc,"
Absolutely no disrespect to any county for not giving them preference to make the top 10 or indeed in related pecking order but that's the way I see it.
Also re brian (Meath) - - - very good post."]Armagh roscommon down to the wire? Last i seen armagh won by 10 points lol
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2. Mayo Until this season is over Mayo rightly deserve the No 2 spot.
3. Kerry Just about deserve the No. 3 spot.
4. Donegal. Either them or Kerry
5. Monaghan Why not.?
6. Galway Should they get to Connaught final, they are in bonus territory.
7. Tyrone No higher than position 7
8. Armagh Lucky to be included in top 10
9. Roscommon Predictably unpredictable .
10. Kildare. Brilliantly complacent Magnificently unpredictable, etc, etc, etc," If Armagh are lucky to be in the top 10 who replaces them? Galway who were relegated ahead of Tyrone who got to a league semi final Mayo who played in division 2 ahead of joint league winners Kerry... who are just about equal to Donegal.... Pass the sick Bucket..... I'm not sure if i have done this already but here goes 1 Dublin - Obviously 2 Kerry - closest challenger to Dublin but can be flaky and have an off day, great natural talent puts them in second 3 Mayo - Its close between themselves and Kerry but i think Kerry would beat them 7 or 8 times out of ten. Mayo might win one. Not a slight on Mayo they've consistently proven themselves but can they do it without COC this year. 4 Donegal - Have all the tools both sides of the pitch but there something strange that holds them back from the big break through. Michael Murphy starting to break down might affect them terminally. 5 Tyrone - A bad day v Kerry shouldn't rule them out of a top 5 slot. A new management team trying to play to their strengths could see them improve leaps and bounds in the next couple of years 6 Monaghan - consistently prove everyone wrong. Perrenial relegation contenders but always pull out the results to stay where they are. Stayed in division 1 and playing very good football, for a county with a small population and don't regularly challenge at underage grades they have some great footballers coming in each year to supplement whats there. They've some of the best players in the country in their positions in Beggan, O'Connell and McManus. That makes a difference as the teams below them might have 1 or 2 players of that calibre. 7 - 10 Galway, Roscommon, Kildare, Armagh - no particular order on these teams, all interchangeable, can be magnificent and awful all at the same time and lack any kind of consistency over a couple of years to be ranked any higher than this. 11 - 14 Cork, Meath Clare, Derry - no particular order all battling to break into the upper echelons. The first three could on a day beat one of the teams in the 7-10 range but could be just as easily beaten. Derry are fast improving under Rory Gallagher and players seem to be paying great football. Their challenge will beat to beat three teams in this group in the 2022 league. All lack a top tier player that can be a game changer and teams above them would be overly concerned about. 15 - 18 Westmeath, Down, Laois, Offaly - They could all beat each other on a given day and they could move up or down but would find it hard to beat the teams in the tier above them. Might run them close but likely they'd lose. Everyone else.... in whatever order people want Cavan and Tipp should be much higher and inside this list but their league form and drop to division 4 means they'd be also rans for me. They were a great romance last summer however were found out in Croke Park... Cavan won Ulster based on defeating a Donegal team with their eyes firmly on Dublin and not the job at hand in Cavan... Tipp beat a Cork team that couldn't quite believe they'd taken down Kerry to be in the final. That in no way takes away from their achievements, as a Meath man i can only dream about a sunday like they had and wining a provincial championship."
2. Mayo. - Most certainly, over the past 6 or 7 years Mayo kept gaelic football from going into a tail spin, Mayo came back year after year from heart breaking All Ireland drawn games to heart breaking All Ireland defeats and related issues that would normally stop any county team from delivering on the day, Kerry had their chance including the drawn game with the Dub's. No other county came anyway close to knocking Mayo out of the No. 2 spot.
3. There's more than day light between Mayo and Kerry so with great respect and admiration I will allocate the No. 3 spot to Kerry'
4. Since Donegal won their last All Ireland title they seemed to have waned away a bit, Michael Murphy kept their profile up almost on his own, the media zoomed in and took advantage of Murphy's great performances and raised his and Donegal's profile even higher. Like I said it's between Kerry and Donegal for the No. 3 spot.
5. Monaghan for the No. 5 spot because like you say they consistently prove everyone wrong, avoid relegation because of their work rate in getting the results to keep them in the top flight, adding anything else would be only repeating your own comments.
6. Galway at No. 6 -.I would Galway above Roscommon and Kildare. Galway would be victorious over Roscommon this year with ease, and of Kidare with a little less ease, not much though. More effort needed from Galway to account for Armagh agreed, not much either though, I still give the nod to Galway over Tyrone,
7. So Tyrone stays in the No. 7 spot,
8. Armagh Lucky to be included in top 10, Since Mc Geeney took over as manager he truthfully has done nothing wonderful for Armagh, their last league game this year went down to the wire with Roscommon to avoid relegation which they did, at one stage I was thinking of including Derry in the top 10 at the expense of Armagh but I decided against that idea.
9. Roscommon at No 9 spot, for the very reason Armagh is one notch above them, no difference between the two as they both fought it out in a relegation battle a couple of games back.
10. Still at the No.10 spot. As I previously said they can be - Brilliantly complacent Magnificently unpredictable, etc, etc, etc,"
Absolutely no disrespect to any county for not giving them preference to make the top 10 or indeed in related pecking order but that's the way I see it.
Also re brian (Meath) - - - very good post."]Armagh roscommon down to the wire? Last i seen armagh won by 10 points lol"]Your clutching at straws mate, down to the wire, as in last game, as in fighting for survival, Armagh came good in the end by 0-01 or 0-10 not relevant, go back in your box.
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2. Mayo Until this season is over Mayo rightly deserve the No 2 spot.
3. Kerry Just about deserve the No. 3 spot.
4. Donegal. Either them or Kerry
5. Monaghan Why not.?
6. Galway Should they get to Connaught final, they are in bonus territory.
7. Tyrone No higher than position 7
8. Armagh Lucky to be included in top 10
9. Roscommon Predictably unpredictable .
10. Kildare. Brilliantly complacent Magnificently unpredictable, etc, etc, etc," If Armagh are lucky to be in the top 10 who replaces them? Galway who were relegated ahead of Tyrone who got to a league semi final Mayo who played in division 2 ahead of joint league winners Kerry... who are just about equal to Donegal.... Pass the sick Bucket..... I'm not sure if i have done this already but here goes 1 Dublin - Obviously 2 Kerry - closest challenger to Dublin but can be flaky and have an off day, great natural talent puts them in second 3 Mayo - Its close between themselves and Kerry but i think Kerry would beat them 7 or 8 times out of ten. Mayo might win one. Not a slight on Mayo they've consistently proven themselves but can they do it without COC this year. 4 Donegal - Have all the tools both sides of the pitch but there something strange that holds them back from the big break through. Michael Murphy starting to break down might affect them terminally. 5 Tyrone - A bad day v Kerry shouldn't rule them out of a top 5 slot. A new management team trying to play to their strengths could see them improve leaps and bounds in the next couple of years 6 Monaghan - consistently prove everyone wrong. Perrenial relegation contenders but always pull out the results to stay where they are. Stayed in division 1 and playing very good football, for a county with a small population and don't regularly challenge at underage grades they have some great footballers coming in each year to supplement whats there. They've some of the best players in the country in their positions in Beggan, O'Connell and McManus. That makes a difference as the teams below them might have 1 or 2 players of that calibre. 7 - 10 Galway, Roscommon, Kildare, Armagh - no particular order on these teams, all interchangeable, can be magnificent and awful all at the same time and lack any kind of consistency over a couple of years to be ranked any higher than this. 11 - 14 Cork, Meath Clare, Derry - no particular order all battling to break into the upper echelons. The first three could on a day beat one of the teams in the 7-10 range but could be just as easily beaten. Derry are fast improving under Rory Gallagher and players seem to be paying great football. Their challenge will beat to beat three teams in this group in the 2022 league. All lack a top tier player that can be a game changer and teams above them would be overly concerned about. 15 - 18 Westmeath, Down, Laois, Offaly - They could all beat each other on a given day and they could move up or down but would find it hard to beat the teams in the tier above them. Might run them close but likely they'd lose. Everyone else.... in whatever order people want Cavan and Tipp should be much higher and inside this list but their league form and drop to division 4 means they'd be also rans for me. They were a great romance last summer however were found out in Croke Park... Cavan won Ulster based on defeating a Donegal team with their eyes firmly on Dublin and not the job at hand in Cavan... Tipp beat a Cork team that couldn't quite believe they'd taken down Kerry to be in the final. That in no way takes away from their achievements, as a Meath man i can only dream about a sunday like they had and wining a provincial championship."
2. Mayo. - Most certainly, over the past 6 or 7 years Mayo kept gaelic football from going into a tail spin, Mayo came back year after year from heart breaking All Ireland drawn games to heart breaking All Ireland defeats and related issues that would normally stop any county team from delivering on the day, Kerry had their chance including the drawn game with the Dub's. No other county came anyway close to knocking Mayo out of the No. 2 spot.
3. There's more than day light between Mayo and Kerry so with great respect and admiration I will allocate the No. 3 spot to Kerry'
4. Since Donegal won their last All Ireland title they seemed to have waned away a bit, Michael Murphy kept their profile up almost on his own, the media zoomed in and took advantage of Murphy's great performances and raised his and Donegal's profile even higher. Like I said it's between Kerry and Donegal for the No. 3 spot.
5. Monaghan for the No. 5 spot because like you say they consistently prove everyone wrong, avoid relegation because of their work rate in getting the results to keep them in the top flight, adding anything else would be only repeating your own comments.
6. Galway at No. 6 -.I would Galway above Roscommon and Kildare. Galway would be victorious over Roscommon this year with ease, and of Kidare with a little less ease, not much though. More effort needed from Galway to account for Armagh agreed, not much either though, I still give the nod to Galway over Tyrone,
7. So Tyrone stays in the No. 7 spot,
8. Armagh Lucky to be included in top 10, Since Mc Geeney took over as manager he truthfully has done nothing wonderful for Armagh, their last league game this year went down to the wire with Roscommon to avoid relegation which they did, at one stage I was thinking of including Derry in the top 10 at the expense of Armagh but I decided against that idea.
9. Roscommon at No 9 spot, for the very reason Armagh is one notch above them, no difference between the two as they both fought it out in a relegation battle a couple of games back.
10. Still at the No.10 spot. As I previously said they can be - Brilliantly complacent Magnificently unpredictable, etc, etc, etc,"
Absolutely no disrespect to any county for not giving them preference to make the top 10 or indeed in related pecking order but that's the way I see it.
Also re brian (Meath) - - - very good post."]Armagh roscommon down to the wire? Last i seen armagh won by 10 points lol"]Your clutching at straws mate, down to the wire, as in last game, as in fighting for survival, Armagh came good in the end by 0-01 or 0-10 not relevant, go back in your box."]Back in your box lol ironic coming from a carlow fan. Enjoy the leinster championship
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Replying To bobo91: " Replying To supersub15: "[quote=bobo91: "[quote=supersub15: "[quote=brian: "[quote=supersub15: "1. Dublin Rightly deserve the No. 1 spot self-explanatory.
2. Mayo Until this season is over Mayo rightly deserve the No 2 spot.
3. Kerry Just about deserve the No. 3 spot.
4. Donegal. Either them or Kerry
5. Monaghan Why not.?
6. Galway Should they get to Connaught final, they are in bonus territory.
7. Tyrone No higher than position 7
8. Armagh Lucky to be included in top 10
9. Roscommon Predictably unpredictable .
10. Kildare. Brilliantly complacent Magnificently unpredictable, etc, etc, etc," If Armagh are lucky to be in the top 10 who replaces them? Galway who were relegated ahead of Tyrone who got to a league semi final Mayo who played in division 2 ahead of joint league winners Kerry... who are just about equal to Donegal.... Pass the sick Bucket..... I'm not sure if i have done this already but here goes 1 Dublin - Obviously 2 Kerry - closest challenger to Dublin but can be flaky and have an off day, great natural talent puts them in second 3 Mayo - Its close between themselves and Kerry but i think Kerry would beat them 7 or 8 times out of ten. Mayo might win one. Not a slight on Mayo they've consistently proven themselves but can they do it without COC this year. 4 Donegal - Have all the tools both sides of the pitch but there something strange that holds them back from the big break through. Michael Murphy starting to break down might affect them terminally. 5 Tyrone - A bad day v Kerry shouldn't rule them out of a top 5 slot. A new management team trying to play to their strengths could see them improve leaps and bounds in the next couple of years 6 Monaghan - consistently prove everyone wrong. Perrenial relegation contenders but always pull out the results to stay where they are. Stayed in division 1 and playing very good football, for a county with a small population and don't regularly challenge at underage grades they have some great footballers coming in each year to supplement whats there. They've some of the best players in the country in their positions in Beggan, O'Connell and McManus. That makes a difference as the teams below them might have 1 or 2 players of that calibre. 7 - 10 Galway, Roscommon, Kildare, Armagh - no particular order on these teams, all interchangeable, can be magnificent and awful all at the same time and lack any kind of consistency over a couple of years to be ranked any higher than this. 11 - 14 Cork, Meath Clare, Derry - no particular order all battling to break into the upper echelons. The first three could on a day beat one of the teams in the 7-10 range but could be just as easily beaten. Derry are fast improving under Rory Gallagher and players seem to be paying great football. Their challenge will beat to beat three teams in this group in the 2022 league. All lack a top tier player that can be a game changer and teams above them would be overly concerned about. 15 - 18 Westmeath, Down, Laois, Offaly - They could all beat each other on a given day and they could move up or down but would find it hard to beat the teams in the tier above them. Might run them close but likely they'd lose. Everyone else.... in whatever order people want Cavan and Tipp should be much higher and inside this list but their league form and drop to division 4 means they'd be also rans for me. They were a great romance last summer however were found out in Croke Park... Cavan won Ulster based on defeating a Donegal team with their eyes firmly on Dublin and not the job at hand in Cavan... Tipp beat a Cork team that couldn't quite believe they'd taken down Kerry to be in the final. That in no way takes away from their achievements, as a Meath man i can only dream about a sunday like they had and wining a provincial championship."
2. Mayo. - Most certainly, over the past 6 or 7 years Mayo kept gaelic football from going into a tail spin, Mayo came back year after year from heart breaking All Ireland drawn games to heart breaking All Ireland defeats and related issues that would normally stop any county team from delivering on the day, Kerry had their chance including the drawn game with the Dub's. No other county came anyway close to knocking Mayo out of the No. 2 spot.
3. There's more than day light between Mayo and Kerry so with great respect and admiration I will allocate the No. 3 spot to Kerry'
4. Since Donegal won their last All Ireland title they seemed to have waned away a bit, Michael Murphy kept their profile up almost on his own, the media zoomed in and took advantage of Murphy's great performances and raised his and Donegal's profile even higher. Like I said it's between Kerry and Donegal for the No. 3 spot.
5. Monaghan for the No. 5 spot because like you say they consistently prove everyone wrong, avoid relegation because of their work rate in getting the results to keep them in the top flight, adding anything else would be only repeating your own comments.
6. Galway at No. 6 -.I would Galway above Roscommon and Kildare. Galway would be victorious over Roscommon this year with ease, and of Kidare with a little less ease, not much though. More effort needed from Galway to account for Armagh agreed, not much either though, I still give the nod to Galway over Tyrone,
7. So Tyrone stays in the No. 7 spot,
8. Armagh Lucky to be included in top 10, Since Mc Geeney took over as manager he truthfully has done nothing wonderful for Armagh, their last league game this year went down to the wire with Roscommon to avoid relegation which they did, at one stage I was thinking of including Derry in the top 10 at the expense of Armagh but I decided against that idea.
9. Roscommon at No 9 spot, for the very reason Armagh is one notch above them, no difference between the two as they both fought it out in a relegation battle a couple of games back.
10. Still at the No.10 spot. As I previously said they can be - Brilliantly complacent Magnificently unpredictable, etc, etc, etc,"
Absolutely no disrespect to any county for not giving them preference to make the top 10 or indeed in related pecking order but that's the way I see it.
Also re brian (Meath) - - - very good post."]Armagh roscommon down to the wire? Last i seen armagh won by 10 points lol"]Your clutching at straws mate, down to the wire, as in last game, as in fighting for survival, Armagh came good in the end by 0-01 or 0-10 not relevant, go back in your box."]Back in your box lol ironic coming from a carlow fan. Enjoy the leinster championship"]Can I take it you are not giving us much of a chance, - now now be kind.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 26/06/2021 11:36:05
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Rankings are hard to judge these days as there are now a number of tiers. I think it goes something like this:
Top Tier (Well ahead of the rest and likely will be for a decade):
Dublin and Kerry
Good Standard ( Will go between Div 1 and 2, maybe compete for a Provincial title, have good seasons but won't break into that top tier):
Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone, Armagh, Monaghan.
Middle Tier ( Not far from the Good Standard and may randomly jump between leagues in the next few years)
Roscommon, Cavan, Derry, Kildare, Galway
The rest of the counties are a long way back, might pick up shocks here and there but in the main the rest have a lot to do and will likely remain lower Div 2 to Div 4 for the next number of years with short summers unless a draw opens up for them.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 26/06/2021 12:48:33
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