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Replying To sean og:  "Mayo are a serious team, havnt been out of the top 5/6 in years, I've yet to have a conversation with anyone that sneers at them."
Mayo have been clearly the second best team in the country for the past 10 years but all I've been hearing is that they are in transition at present. My point was how can this Mayo team be rated as even being better than a Donegal or a Tyrone team if they are still in transition. And I don't think you can read too much into the team that got to the AI final last year. The conversation then lead into the_walls being an easy target for banter as he was clearly upset about it and felt that I had been sneering them. If Mayo can back up last years AI final appearance with a Connaught win and a good crack at the Dubs then I will hold my hands up and say Ok this Mayo team are a serious outfit with an AI in them. But, from a logical point of view I just can't say that at present.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 22/06/2021 09:49:23    2352536

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "Mayo have been clearly the second best team in the country for the past 10 years but all I've been hearing is that they are in transition at present. My point was how can this Mayo team be rated as even being better than a Donegal or a Tyrone team if they are still in transition. And I don't think you can read too much into the team that got to the AI final last year. The conversation then lead into the_walls being an easy target for banter as he was clearly upset about it and felt that I had been sneering them. If Mayo can back up last years AI final appearance with a Connaught win and a good crack at the Dubs then I will hold my hands up and say Ok this Mayo team are a serious outfit with an AI in them. But, from a logical point of view I just can't say that at present."
Hard to beat armchair psychology from a top banter merchant. If you want to think I was getting upset, you knock yourself out. I was simply pointing out that all you are doing is trolling and it is pathetic. You seemed to get a bit upset with that yourself, particularly at being labelled childish. This despite the fact that you've literally just admitted to trolling!

I have zero problem with you (or anyone else) not rating Mayo and explaining why. The game is all about opinions. Bar the bit about myself you've actually presented your opinion in this reply in a rational, reasonable way without resorting to insults or belittlement. I'd suggest this would stand to you better going forward rather than trying to be king of the "bants".

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 493 - 22/06/2021 10:36:36    2352544

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "Mayo have been clearly the second best team in the country for the past 10 years but all I've been hearing is that they are in transition at present. My point was how can this Mayo team be rated as even being better than a Donegal or a Tyrone team if they are still in transition. And I don't think you can read too much into the team that got to the AI final last year. The conversation then lead into the_walls being an easy target for banter as he was clearly upset about it and felt that I had been sneering them. If Mayo can back up last years AI final appearance with a Connaught win and a good crack at the Dubs then I will hold my hands up and say Ok this Mayo team are a serious outfit with an AI in them. But, from a logical point of view I just can't say that at present."
Mayo beat Roscommon and Galway. Donegal lost to Cavan. The year before Mayo beat Donegal when it mattered. You can say what you like or dismiss last year but I am still not sure how you can have Donegal or Tyrone ahead of Mayo? Based on what? For what it's worth if O Connor is gone we will not be getting to a final this year. He is as important to us as Murphy is to Donegal.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7290 - 22/06/2021 10:47:14    2352548

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Replying To the_walls:  "Hard to beat armchair psychology from a top banter merchant. If you want to think I was getting upset, you knock yourself out. I was simply pointing out that all you are doing is trolling and it is pathetic. You seemed to get a bit upset with that yourself, particularly at being labelled childish. This despite the fact that you've literally just admitted to trolling!

I have zero problem with you (or anyone else) not rating Mayo and explaining why. The game is all about opinions. Bar the bit about myself you've actually presented your opinion in this reply in a rational, reasonable way without resorting to insults or belittlement. I'd suggest this would stand to you better going forward rather than trying to be king of the "bants"."
hahaha are all Mayo folk as bitter as you? I think you should take a break from Hogan Stand. You are very edgy! Hope you'll be in a more comfortable position for Sligo this weekend.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 22/06/2021 10:50:53    2352550

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Replying To the_walls:  "Hard to beat armchair psychology from a top banter merchant. If you want to think I was getting upset, you knock yourself out. I was simply pointing out that all you are doing is trolling and it is pathetic. You seemed to get a bit upset with that yourself, particularly at being labelled childish. This despite the fact that you've literally just admitted to trolling!

I have zero problem with you (or anyone else) not rating Mayo and explaining why. The game is all about opinions. Bar the bit about myself you've actually presented your opinion in this reply in a rational, reasonable way without resorting to insults or belittlement. I'd suggest this would stand to you better going forward rather than trying to be king of the "bants"."
Chill man. Take a coffee and a slice of toast and breathe a bit.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 22/06/2021 10:52:08    2352551

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "Mayo have been clearly the second best team in the country for the past 10 years but all I've been hearing is that they are in transition at present. My point was how can this Mayo team be rated as even being better than a Donegal or a Tyrone team if they are still in transition. And I don't think you can read too much into the team that got to the AI final last year. The conversation then lead into the_walls being an easy target for banter as he was clearly upset about it and felt that I had been sneering them. If Mayo can back up last years AI final appearance with a Connaught win and a good crack at the Dubs then I will hold my hands up and say Ok this Mayo team are a serious outfit with an AI in them. But, from a logical point of view I just can't say that at present."
I stayed clear of the exchanges between yourself and the_walls Murph... they were bordering on the niggley/personal more than they needed to be, but I agree 100% with your post above. That's more or less how I think the majority of Mayo supporters would summarise where Mayo are at right now. I think we're a couple of years behind Donegal and Kerry in bringing new players through. So while I think Donegal and Kerry have to be regarded as serious contenders for removing the Dub's crown this year I'm not putting my own county in that category. I don't know where Tyrone or Galway are right now and they don't know themselves by the looks... all could come right for them all of a sudden, but you wouldn't bet your own money on it. If Mayo do as you say this year then I think most Mayo supporters would regard that as going in the right direction. We've some nice players coming through and with Cillian O'Connor and possibly Diarmuid missing they'll have a chance to show they can overcome the leadership deficit this is otherwise going to create. I think Mayo are a couple of years off being serious contenders but would be more than pleased to be proven wrong.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2447 - 22/06/2021 11:03:26    2352556

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Mayo beat Roscommon and Galway. Donegal lost to Cavan. The year before Mayo beat Donegal when it mattered. You can say what you like or dismiss last year but I am still not sure how you can have Donegal or Tyrone ahead of Mayo? Based on what? For what it's worth if O Connor is gone we will not be getting to a final this year. He is as important to us as Murphy is to Donegal."
Was Mayo a "Transitioning" team in 2019? Donegal were an inexperienced team then. An inexperienced team that beat Tyrone, drew with Kerry and give the Dubs a decent game. Not saying Donegal were better than Mayo then because it's hard to argue that when Mayo beat them in an all or nothing game for both sides. Donegal have had their issues and have shown glimpses of a team that can beat Dublin on a good day. I still rate them ahead of Mayo. Roscommon and Galway are hardly world beaters and actually solidifies my statement that Mayo can't yet be rated. Look, if it's not Donegal toppling Dublin, I really hope it's Mayo because I do like Mayo as a team but I'm still undecided on this new Mayo team.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 22/06/2021 11:15:39    2352562

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "hahaha are all Mayo folk as bitter as you? I think you should take a break from Hogan Stand. You are very edgy! Hope you'll be in a more comfortable position for Sligo this weekend."
More nonsense. Again, you were pulled up on trolling and for some reason that equates to me being edgy and bitter? A very, very strange take. I wouldn't speak for all Mayo folk, I speak for me but in what way have I been bitter? I even pointed out how you made a reasonable and well thought out point regarding Mayo and the whole being in transition thing. I find it bizarre that that somehow equates to me being bitter. It's just more banter I'm sure though.

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 493 - 22/06/2021 11:25:33    2352564

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Replying To Pericles:  "I stayed clear of the exchanges between yourself and the_walls Murph... they were bordering on the niggley/personal more than they needed to be, but I agree 100% with your post above. That's more or less how I think the majority of Mayo supporters would summarise where Mayo are at right now. I think we're a couple of years behind Donegal and Kerry in bringing new players through. So while I think Donegal and Kerry have to be regarded as serious contenders for removing the Dub's crown this year I'm not putting my own county in that category. I don't know where Tyrone or Galway are right now and they don't know themselves by the looks... all could come right for them all of a sudden, but you wouldn't bet your own money on it. If Mayo do as you say this year then I think most Mayo supporters would regard that as going in the right direction. We've some nice players coming through and with Cillian O'Connor and possibly Diarmuid missing they'll have a chance to show they can overcome the leadership deficit this is otherwise going to create. I think Mayo are a couple of years off being serious contenders but would be more than pleased to be proven wrong."
Agreed. It's not that Donegal are miles ahead it's just I think this Donegal team has been together for a lot longer than this Mayo team and have, at times, shown big potential but until Donegal can put this potential together in back to back to back games in the AI series it will all be for nothing. As you say Mayo have some nice looking players coming through with buckets of potential and probably being able to learn to play without the big influential players such as the O'Connors might be a blessing in disguise for Mayo. Like Donegal, playing 2 tough Ulster games in the league and playing Dublin all without Murphy might have been the best thing to happen Donegal because we have been way too reliant on Murphy in the past and that could be the main reason for the inconsistency in this Donegal team.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 22/06/2021 11:29:45    2352567

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Replying To the_walls:  "More nonsense. Again, you were pulled up on trolling and for some reason that equates to me being edgy and bitter? A very, very strange take. I wouldn't speak for all Mayo folk, I speak for me but in what way have I been bitter? I even pointed out how you made a reasonable and well thought out point regarding Mayo and the whole being in transition thing. I find it bizarre that that somehow equates to me being bitter. It's just more banter I'm sure though."
I'd say the craic is good having a few pints with you.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 22/06/2021 11:35:27    2352571

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "Was Mayo a "Transitioning" team in 2019? Donegal were an inexperienced team then. An inexperienced team that beat Tyrone, drew with Kerry and give the Dubs a decent game. Not saying Donegal were better than Mayo then because it's hard to argue that when Mayo beat them in an all or nothing game for both sides. Donegal have had their issues and have shown glimpses of a team that can beat Dublin on a good day. I still rate them ahead of Mayo. Roscommon and Galway are hardly world beaters and actually solidifies my statement that Mayo can't yet be rated. Look, if it's not Donegal toppling Dublin, I really hope it's Mayo because I do like Mayo as a team but I'm still undecided on this new Mayo team."
You mentioned the league earlier as a good guide of the form of Mayo and them dropping to division 2. Look at the state of Cavan who beat you last year. So using your logic???

Donegal have shown glimpses and have some class players but they have been coming for 3 years now?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7290 - 22/06/2021 11:38:05    2352572

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "I'd say the craic is good having a few pints with you."
Just personal stuff now. Says it all.

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 493 - 22/06/2021 11:44:47    2352574

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Replying To the_walls:  "Just personal stuff now. Says it all."
Ah jees lad will you stop.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 22/06/2021 11:48:02    2352575

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "Ah jees lad will you stop."
Stop what? You are the one throwing out personal digs.

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 493 - 22/06/2021 12:00:38    2352578

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Replying To the_walls:  "Stop what? You are the one throwing out personal digs."
Stop the moaning and stop throwing the toys out of the pram. It's embarrassing.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 22/06/2021 14:22:55    2352612

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "Stop the moaning and stop throwing the toys out of the pram. It's embarrassing."
Perhaps you could point out where I have moaned or thrown any toys out of the pram? You were trolling and you've essentially admitted as much. I pulled you up on it. Calling someone out on their bad behaviour isn't moaning in my book. I also acknowledging that you are fully entitled to express your views and acknowledged a fair point you made where you didn't resort to trolling guff. By contrast you have consistently thrown out personal digs. Embarrassing indeed.

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 493 - 22/06/2021 14:49:49    2352617

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Thank God the football is stating soon, this place has got very niggly and there's a lot of new wums about too, we exposed a multi troll over on the other thread, catch22.dubh_linn are the same person, maybe he has other accounts too, sad effort,
I thought Murph was a troll and not even from Donegal but sure who knows, we'll soon see after a few weeks who ranks above who but there is no doubt in my mind Dublin are no.1 and Kerry are number 2, the rest of us are also rans until we prove different.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1735 - 22/06/2021 15:12:14    2352626

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Thank God the football is stating soon, this place has got very niggly and there's a lot of new wums about too, we exposed a multi troll over on the other thread, catch22.dubh_linn are the same person, maybe he has other accounts too, sad effort,
I thought Murph was a troll and not even from Donegal but sure who knows, we'll soon see after a few weeks who ranks above who but there is no doubt in my mind Dublin are no.1 and Kerry are number 2, the rest of us are also rans until we prove different."
What is a troll? Apparently, I've admitted to being one, as pointed out by Walls, but a little confused as to what it is let alone where I admitted to it.

Anyway, of course Dublin are number 1 and anyone that says otherwise should be labelled as a troll haha.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 22/06/2021 15:26:05    2352636

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Mayo beat Roscommon and Galway. Donegal lost to Cavan. The year before Mayo beat Donegal when it mattered. You can say what you like or dismiss last year but I am still not sure how you can have Donegal or Tyrone ahead of Mayo? Based on what? For what it's worth if O Connor is gone we will not be getting to a final this year. He is as important to us as Murphy is to Donegal."
If you are mentioning that Donegal lost to Cavan last year, why not include the fact that they beat Tyrone and Armagh? Arguably superior teams to Roscommon and Galway.

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 359 - 22/06/2021 16:32:03    2352657

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Replying To greatpoint:  "If you are mentioning that Donegal lost to Cavan last year, why not include the fact that they beat Tyrone and Armagh? Arguably superior teams to Roscommon and Galway."
I mentioned it purely in response to the poster pointing out league form to say where Mayo were at last year. He ranked Donegal ahead of them despite them being beaten by a team in Division 4?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7290 - 22/06/2021 19:35:11    2352696

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