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Darren Byrne at full back was one that got away… was impressive any time I saw him even at senior level.
OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 270 - 20/05/2025 11:53:10 2611274 Link 0 |
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Agree, while we did well against a good Carlow u21 team that year, we lost that final in 2017 heavily. The year before Westmeath knocked alot of those Kilkenny lads out at u21, while a year later we lost the u21 Leinster Final to Galway with a last minute goal at the end of extra time when most of those lads were up to the age. Having good up to the age lads is really important at minor/u20. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 20/05/2025 11:56:48 2611275 Link 0 |
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Garbled question. The county board must be comprehensive in their agenda re what needs to be done now? What did we do wrong? What can we do to improve our present standing in the hurling world etc' etc' Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 501 - 20/05/2025 12:06:58 2611280 Link 0 |
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They might have played senior games but not near the Standard required imo
Yellowhelmet (Australia) - Posts: 150 - 20/05/2025 12:16:22 2611282 Link 0 |
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John Donnelly was the only one of that Kilkenny team that proved to be consistently of the required standard either. Billy Ryan only coming good now. Shane Murphy might do too. None of the rest of that Kilkenny team really made it either at Senior.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 20/05/2025 12:20:29 2611283 Link 0 |
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Didn't want to stay with it. Always does well for Blackwater.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 20/05/2025 12:21:26 2611284 Link 0 |
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It's not a garbled question. It has been said at several board/club meetings to do with coaching that until we provide our children with the same quantity and quality of coaching it's unrealistic to expect us to compete with other counties that do. And there are still plenty of club teams around the county not starting back til April, only training once a week, and finishing up in September. Young players at those clubs are getting less than half the hours training that most young lads in other counties are getting, and thats split over 2 codes. Counties like Clare and Limerick are spending more on coaching and games, and providing winter hurling training for all age groups from u11 upwards. We don't except at u12. Except in a very few clubs, the expectation here is that all this will be done in the schools, but that depends then on who is teaching in which school. If 1 out of every 400 children who get a certain amount of hours a week put into them turns out to be outstanding, it helps to have more children getting the required number of contacts. As a county we are working towards that, but as I said there are still a good few clubs just not putting the hours in. I get that it's all voluntary, but people who aren't putting any hours in should stick their unrealistic expectations up their ####. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 20/05/2025 12:32:48 2611289 Link 0 |
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I'll put it more simply for you. Starting at the beginning. 1- firstly we have way less hurlers than most of the other top 9 counties. 2- so we also have way less former hurlers hurling with their own kids in back gardens. 3- then we are doing way less training for less months of the year at club level to develop those young lads, and have in general less top level former players to take teams in most of those clubs. 4- our county underage squads do less hours pitch training than most other counties. Partly for financial reasons, cost of meals, medical expenses etc, but also because we don't have enough coaches willing to put the time in. And that's before you even start looking at whether some of these coaches are actually good enough in the 1st place. 5- so we have a smaller pool of lads who grew up with a hurl in their hand, got good coaching at their club, and then good coaching at underage county level. 6- so we are actually achieving what is probably realistic for us. Anything more than that is just a bonus. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 20/05/2025 12:43:02 2611290 Link 0 |
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I agree with most of your answers viking but not all I disagree with you saying that you are not sure we are struggling to survive in the leinster championship. Surely the results speak for themselves. Beaten by Galway and Dublin. Barely over the line against Offaly, in a game that we could easily have lost. We beat Antrim well but doesn't everybody? My point is viking we as a county must accept that we are sliding in a downwards trajectory and if it means a change of management or coach/ coaches to get us back up there with the top teams then maybe that's what needs to be done. I'm not saying that bringing in a new backroom is the answer. It's easy to say get rid of the current incumbents and bring in a new lot but given our present position to face Kilkenny next Sunday in a meaningless dead rubber. Last year and this year we have failed and really the highlights are few and far between no matter what way we dress it up. By the way. I was one of the first to say that Keith was the best man for the job after his appointment 2 years ago. So I am not anti Keith Rossiter, and I hope sincerely if he does stay on for the 3rd year of his contract that we will get things right. That of course will only happen if the correct changes and decisions are made. Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 501 - 20/05/2025 12:54:34 2611295 Link 0 |
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Only time I was ever on the terrace for a championship match.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3669 - 20/05/2025 12:55:30 2611296 Link 0 |
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Here's one for ye OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 270 - 20/05/2025 13:09:59 2611303 Link 0 |
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Same here Doyler. Hated it as my eyesight is not the best and couldn't see what was happening at the far end properly.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 501 - 20/05/2025 13:21:04 2611310 Link 0 |
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I remember Wicklow playing Carlow there in the first round of the Leinster Senior Football Championship about 20 years ago. But that was the first time in donkeys' years it had been used as a neutral venue. Suppose the geography doesn't really suit. Bit like how you never see places like Castletown or Fethard being used as a neutral venue for club championship matches, but other clubs like Oylegate and Marshalstown have to regularly host them. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2888 - 20/05/2025 14:03:28 2611321 Link 0 |
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I look at it like this,if wexford development squads train on a Saturday for 90 mins from u14 until they go into a minor team then we are so far behind already compared to all the other counties we haven't a hope really unless we have a above average group!!! So that has to change we are losing to much ground thst we will never get back,then add in what people are saying here about the level of coaching that these lads are getting all the way up,I'd be fairly sure in most cases it's poor as people are saying here it's voluntary!!! We have to pay to get the best it's the way of the world in sport!!! The other issue I'd have is the amount of players involved in the squads,I heard at u14 15 16 there can be 50+,for me 50+ one day a week I'd imagine the standard of player from top to bottom of that 50 odd is massive and for me it's to big a group to train!!! I'd have me top 30-32 with the panels open ended!!! I'm sure these coaches are aware of who's hurling well in schools and club games,if a lad comes good or slips through the net he's picked back up and brought back in!!! I feel the minor manager is really been handed lads for the grade that are so far behind they can't make the levels required,which rolls onto under 20 and therefore at senior it takes an eternity for them to make step up bar your generational talent!!!! I think of the lads like CBD,Richie lawlor,hearne,cian Byrne,molly,Simon Roche,kyle scallop,jack redmond,Rowley,carley I'm sure I'm missing some I'd say but they haven't progressed really!!! I'd have no doubt that it's a huge factor!!! I'd be of the opinion that we should try get former players involved in these development squads in some capacity as it might hold some weight with young lads!!!more sessions with less numbers as in 50+ down to 33 or 34!!! Lots of other factors also like s&c lots of our young lads coming in are so far behind in size it's frightening compared to all other counties!!! Really we need to attack these areas first!!! I think it's about survival now for seniors goin forward,I don't think it's Keith's fault,I'd blame him for our poor tactics and his slow decisions on the line but the standard of player he been left with and is getting is just to far behind for him to attack a championship with!! Some of the lads have been on panel for years with very limited game time and find themselves playing now due to all retirements,that were never really good enough anyway!!! theboys (Wexford) - Posts: 272 - 20/05/2025 14:45:04 2611339 Link 0 |
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What is the team likely to be this weekend lads. Hopefully we can at least end the year with a good result Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 642 - 20/05/2025 16:41:08 2611360 Link 0 |
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I see our minors are out again on Saturday . It shows how ridiculous this condensed season is . Is there any chance we have Sean O Brien and Rhys Wickham back and what are our chances against Limerick? Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 642 - 20/05/2025 16:42:55 2611361 Link 0 |
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Kildare hurlers one win away from All Ireland preliminary quarter finals WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 534 - 20/05/2025 18:12:32 2611370 Link 0 |
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I'm imagining there won't be too many changes. Whoever Kilkenny select will be fighting for their places. They will be tough opponents.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 20/05/2025 18:24:22 2611378 Link 0 |
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Aren't our minors lucky to be getting so many games? It wasn't long ago they might only have a couple of games and be out. Doubt the 2 lads will be back. Limerick will be good but not unbeatable. Seen them on clubber a couple of times. Obviously the 2 lads will be a loss, but it's up to the others to put in a good performance and see if thats enough to get the win. Always hard to predict with chaps that age, but if they play like they did in the 2nd half against Galway, and are selected and set up the same, both in terms of style of play and positions, perhaps more importantly, they have a good chance. It's been a good year for our minors as far as development goes, think over 30 of them have got championship gametime. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 20/05/2025 18:29:49 2611379 Link 0 |
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Hard to say Afimestick 96. Will he go with some of the panel that haven't had any gametime and risk getting blown away. Or will he stick with the guys that have played throughout the round Robin. It would be good to get a win over the old enemy once again even though it will be a nothing game as the cats are already in the leinster final and we are going nowhere. Expecting a small crowd as I can't see too many parting with €25 to see a match of such low Importance. Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 501 - 20/05/2025 18:32:15 2611383 Link 0 |