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Replying To Viking66: "That Walsh Cup game was sold out, although with the fireworks noone was allowed on the town end. Can't remember another game sold out." That kk game in 17 was a sell out 100%. Even tho they leave plenty of room on terraces for safety reasons ...sold out as in tickets just could not be bought anymore for it
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Its probably true to say that the footballers have got their age profile and refreshing the squad far better than the hurlers.
The bulk of the key men are in the age bracket that the hurling squad seem to be ignoring, they weren't afraid to throw young Martin into the deep end yesterday and there isn't an upcoming hurler of the same talent as Higgins that is ready-made for senior either (physical condition/stature remains a county-wide issue for us).
Definitely isn't an over-reliance on a lad in the twilight of their career too. By no means perfect, but house seems in better order.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1496 - 19/05/2025 21:14:00
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To Pikeman96: "JJ Doyle is not involved with the senior hurling set-up this year. Not involved with minor and wasn't involved with U20 either. Was talking to him at a Hurling 365 coaching thing he ran a couple of months ago, and he remarked how it was his first time in many years not to be involved with any of the teams outside of the development squads." I didn't say he was involved, only that he was standing on the line with Rossi. Well, it looked like him, he was a water carrier."
Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 271 - 19/05/2025 21:28:40
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Joe Fortune would be interested, I would imagine
Don't know if Mullally would be interested but would doubt he moves if Carlow get promoted. Mind you, if they don't get prompted, he may want to move on as he's been there a while and might think he has no more to offer there" Get Carlow promoted only to be odds on favourite to be relegated again isn't much fun. Id say he would definitely be interested in the job as would Fortune. Both of them have lots of experience too. But it's a very difficult job at the moment and will be for the next 2-3 years.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 422 - 19/05/2025 21:44:09
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Replying To WEXILE: "That kk game in 17 was a sell out 100%. Even tho they leave plenty of room on terraces for safety reasons ...sold out as in tickets just could not be bought anymore for it" Ah ok. Why is that? There's good access and emergency exits from both terraces? So while our official capacity is 18000 in reality it's closer to 14k?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 19/05/2025 22:13:41
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Replying To beano: "Its probably true to say that the footballers have got their age profile and refreshing the squad far better than the hurlers.
The bulk of the key men are in the age bracket that the hurling squad seem to be ignoring, they weren't afraid to throw young Martin into the deep end yesterday and there isn't an upcoming hurler of the same talent as Higgins that is ready-made for senior either (physical condition/stature remains a county-wide issue for us).
Definitely isn't an over-reliance on a lad in the twilight of their career too. By no means perfect, but house seems in better order." The Footballers are larger men on average also. Some would be pretty decent hurlers if they had of concentrated on it when they were younger, Mark Rossiter, Niall Hughes, Gavin Sheehan, Glen Malone, Mini Ryan, Sean Nolan, Philip Dempsey, Darragh Lyons, Kevin O'Grady etc are all pretty effective club hurlers as it is, all big men too apart from Sean Ryan and Kevin.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 19/05/2025 22:19:27
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Replying To Viking66: "Ah ok. Why is that? There's good access and emergency exits from both terraces? So while our official capacity is 18000 in reality it's closer to 14k?" They could definitely fit more in. Ticketmaster was sold out and back then you still could queue up outside the park for tickets, those were sold out too. I was lucky enough to get a terrace ticket on done deal or one of those sites . Although "sold out there was plenty of space. That was a great day
WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 415 - 20/05/2025 00:00:04
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Replying To WEX98: "May aswell be saying Kyle Hayes at 6 for Wexford" I can't believe that some posters are still talking about Paudie Foley.
He choose travelling and good luck to him.
As Brian Cody once said, " Let's worry about the players we have. No point in worrying about the players we haven't got"
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 501 - 20/05/2025 00:53:11
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When the intercounty ends I'm sure the CB will review the season gone by and ask Keith and the management team about our progress or lack of it over the two year period that they have been involved. The following questions may be put to them.
Why are we underachieving so much as a senior team?
Are we getting the best out of the players in the squad?
Why are we struggling to survive in the leinster championship and now demoted to the 2nd tier of the league?
Do we have 100% support and commitment of the players towards management?
What can we now do to improve our status.
What are your plans going forward that will bring about us becoming more competitive.
Is it the case that we lack in quality and quantity and we simply haven't got enough top class players?
Can it be said that we were slow to make changes during games?
Do we need to introduce a new coach so as to get us playing a better system?
Areour training methods too severe as we seem to suffer more than other counties in this regard and should we reexamine the way we train.
Is the strength and conditioning working for our younger players as they seem very underdeveloped compared to the rest of the top tier teams.
Do you believe we will see an improvement in 2026?
All the above are tough questions but if we want to face a brighter future we have to examine and implement changes that will make us proud once again to wear the purple and gold.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 501 - 20/05/2025 06:17:25
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Replying To Viking66: "Ah ok. Why is that? There's good access and emergency exits from both terraces? So while our official capacity is 18000 in reality it's closer to 14k?" I think it's actually slightly more since 17. Capacity of the stand went up when they put the new seats in.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I think it's actually slightly more since 17. Capacity of the stand went up when they put the new seats in." What is the capacity of the stand ?
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Will there be 5,000 there this weekend?
It's been a disaster of a year really but the the thing for me is it's always a concern when you're not getting the best out of the team you have. That's the worry. Yes we have limitations as a team but we aren't even getting what's capable out of what we have.
If we go into next year with the same coaching ticket taking the same approach then what's the point and to be quite honest I don't think the players are buying into this at all, there's only so long you can abide by trust the process when results aren't following.
I'm not so concerned about underage, don't think it's all doom and gloom at all but yeah I do thiink we need to start looking at a few things there. I wonder whether we are bringing through the right type of player a lot of the time, whether not allowing 18 yr old hinders us at u20 when they come against players who have had that experience in other counties and been toughened up by it.
And certainly now heading into the glorified all county league hurling championship hardly helps players get used to hurling u der pressure, quite the opposite.
Lots to do.
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Replying To Magpie2: "When the intercounty ends I'm sure the CB will review the season gone by and ask Keith and the management team about our progress or lack of it over the two year period that they have been involved. The following questions may be put to them.
Why are we underachieving so much as a senior team?
Are we getting the best out of the players in the squad?
Why are we struggling to survive in the leinster championship and now demoted to the 2nd tier of the league?
Do we have 100% support and commitment of the players towards management?
What can we now do to improve our status.
What are your plans going forward that will bring about us becoming more competitive.
Is it the case that we lack in quality and quantity and we simply haven't got enough top class players?
Can it be said that we were slow to make changes during games?
Do we need to introduce a new coach so as to get us playing a better system?
Areour training methods too severe as we seem to suffer more than other counties in this regard and should we reexamine the way we train.
Is the strength and conditioning working for our younger players as they seem very underdeveloped compared to the rest of the top tier teams.
Do you believe we will see an improvement in 2026?
All the above are tough questions but if we want to face a brighter future we have to examine and implement changes that will make us proud once again to wear the purple and gold." My thoughts on your questions-
Why are we underachieving so much as a senior team?- are we actually underachieving with the players we currently have?
Are we getting the best out of the players in the squad?- there are some lads who don't seem to be getting chances in real competitive games.
Why are we struggling to survive in the leinster championship and now demoted to the 2nd tier of the league? - I'm not sure we are struggling to survive in Leinster as such, and we did better in the League than I expected.
Do we have 100% support and commitment of the players towards management? - Think it's pretty good overall.
What can we now do to improve our status. - we need to keep trying to improve our younger players to make up for the gap in players coming through dating back to Davys time.
What are your plans going forward that will bring about us becoming more competitive. - will be interesting to find out what he plans to do.
Is it the case that we lack in quality and quantity and we simply haven't got enough top class players? - we have to develop these. Again it will be interesting to hear his take on this, but in fairness to him he's been giving younger lads plenty of gametime.
Can it be said that we were slow to make changes during games? - definitely, my main criticism of him tbh
Do we need to introduce a new coach so as to get us playing a better system? - not sure, I think part of it is that some of our players haven't the confidence to execute basic enough hurling fast enough. The system we are using isn't complicated, but it needs to be executed better. The players themselves should be working at things like 1st touch by themselves away from training.
Areour training methods too severe as we seem to suffer more than other counties in this regard and should we reexamine the way we train. - Clare were hit worse with injuries than we were. Kilkenny have been missing a good few, Dublin also. Limerick are only getting lads back now. Not sure we are missing more this year tbh.
Is the strength and conditioning working for our younger players as they seem very underdeveloped compared to the rest of the top tier teams.- you have to compare apples to apples, very few other top tier teams have as many 21/22 year olds as we have. And again, it's up to the players themselves to work at this themselves also.
Do you believe we will see an improvement in 2026? If he says no to this question he shouldn't be a manager.
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Replying To Magpie2: "When the intercounty ends I'm sure the CB will review the season gone by and ask Keith and the management team about our progress or lack of it over the two year period that they have been involved. The following questions may be put to them.
Why are we underachieving so much as a senior team?
Are we getting the best out of the players in the squad?
Why are we struggling to survive in the leinster championship and now demoted to the 2nd tier of the league?
Do we have 100% support and commitment of the players towards management?
What can we now do to improve our status.
What are your plans going forward that will bring about us becoming more competitive.
Is it the case that we lack in quality and quantity and we simply haven't got enough top class players?
Can it be said that we were slow to make changes during games?
Do we need to introduce a new coach so as to get us playing a better system?
Areour training methods too severe as we seem to suffer more than other counties in this regard and should we reexamine the way we train.
Is the strength and conditioning working for our younger players as they seem very underdeveloped compared to the rest of the top tier teams.
Do you believe we will see an improvement in 2026?
All the above are tough questions but if we want to face a brighter future we have to examine and implement changes that will make us proud once again to wear the purple and gold." Only question CB need to ask. How do we get the wexford hurling supporters to realise we don't have the quality of squad to compete At the top level at the present time.
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Replying To tearintom: "Will there be 5,000 there this weekend?
It's been a disaster of a year really but the the thing for me is it's always a concern when you're not getting the best out of the team you have. That's the worry. Yes we have limitations as a team but we aren't even getting what's capable out of what we have.
If we go into next year with the same coaching ticket taking the same approach then what's the point and to be quite honest I don't think the players are buying into this at all, there's only so long you can abide by trust the process when results aren't following.
I'm not so concerned about underage, don't think it's all doom and gloom at all but yeah I do thiink we need to start looking at a few things there. I wonder whether we are bringing through the right type of player a lot of the time, whether not allowing 18 yr old hinders us at u20 when they come against players who have had that experience in other counties and been toughened up by it.
And certainly now heading into the glorified all county league hurling championship hardly helps players get used to hurling u der pressure, quite the opposite.
Lots to do." I expect a small crowd but hopefully the genuine Wexford supporters will turn . Its our final game until January and these lads deserve our support for the commitment they give to our county
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Just watched the u21 game v kilkenny from 2017. It struck me how many of the kilkenny players went on to have have an impact at senior level v players from wexford.
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Replying To Viking66: "My thoughts on your questions-
Why are we underachieving so much as a senior team?- are we actually underachieving with the players we currently have?
Are we getting the best out of the players in the squad?- there are some lads who don't seem to be getting chances in real competitive games.
Why are we struggling to survive in the leinster championship and now demoted to the 2nd tier of the league? - I'm not sure we are struggling to survive in Leinster as such, and we did better in the League than I expected.
Do we have 100% support and commitment of the players towards management? - Think it's pretty good overall.
What can we now do to improve our status. - we need to keep trying to improve our younger players to make up for the gap in players coming through dating back to Davys time.
What are your plans going forward that will bring about us becoming more competitive. - will be interesting to find out what he plans to do.
Is it the case that we lack in quality and quantity and we simply haven't got enough top class players? - we have to develop these. Again it will be interesting to hear his take on this, but in fairness to him he's been giving younger lads plenty of gametime.
Can it be said that we were slow to make changes during games? - definitely, my main criticism of him tbh
Do we need to introduce a new coach so as to get us playing a better system? - not sure, I think part of it is that some of our players haven't the confidence to execute basic enough hurling fast enough. The system we are using isn't complicated, but it needs to be executed better. The players themselves should be working at things like 1st touch by themselves away from training.
Areour training methods too severe as we seem to suffer more than other counties in this regard and should we reexamine the way we train. - Clare were hit worse with injuries than we were. Kilkenny have been missing a good few, Dublin also. Limerick are only getting lads back now. Not sure we are missing more this year tbh.
Is the strength and conditioning working for our younger players as they seem very underdeveloped compared to the rest of the top tier teams.- you have to compare apples to apples, very few other top tier teams have as many 21/22 year olds as we have. And again, it's up to the players themselves to work at this themselves also.
Do you believe we will see an improvement in 2026? If he says no to this question he shouldn't be a manager." I would say we're under-achieving to some extent, only have to look at Dublin under Ó Ceallacháin who seems to have lads playing out of their skin, we haven't been doing that across the board this year
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Replying To tearintom: "Will there be 5,000 there this weekend?
It's been a disaster of a year really but the the thing for me is it's always a concern when you're not getting the best out of the team you have. That's the worry. Yes we have limitations as a team but we aren't even getting what's capable out of what we have.
If we go into next year with the same coaching ticket taking the same approach then what's the point and to be quite honest I don't think the players are buying into this at all, there's only so long you can abide by trust the process when results aren't following.
I'm not so concerned about underage, don't think it's all doom and gloom at all but yeah I do thiink we need to start looking at a few things there. I wonder whether we are bringing through the right type of player a lot of the time, whether not allowing 18 yr old hinders us at u20 when they come against players who have had that experience in other counties and been toughened up by it.
And certainly now heading into the glorified all county league hurling championship hardly helps players get used to hurling u der pressure, quite the opposite.
Lots to do." We have tried various different ways of improving the All county Leagues, but alot of players at every club don't even bother training and playing in them. So what can you do?
I'm coming around to the thought that lads who are 18 should be let play adult after their 18th birthday, not have to wait a year. That would likely improve our u20 team. But then we need more referees and pitches etc, as minor will have to be played on the same night as u12s or u14s, to give lads who are playing adult also a chance to recover. We don't have enough lads volunteering to referee as it is, where do we get more again from?
As regards the current coaching ticket, we lost the game against Dublin primarily because our lads weren't able to control the ball 1st time, and move it on quicker. Yes, they were lacking in confidence, but 1st touch is something every player at every level needs to work on by himself, outside of training. We were also slow on the line, which is the main criticism I'd have of our current management. This criticism was also levelled at Brian Lohan the 1st 3 years he was in charge of Clare. He got better. I'm sure Keith can too.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 20/05/2025 10:11:59
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Shane Reck, Rory and Cathal Dunbar are all starters a long time, while Darren Byrne, Conor Firman, Joe O Connor, all played a few Senior games, Jake Firman, Darren Codd and Joe Coleman all have been in the panel, while Stephen O Gorman never got a phonecall until Keith rang him when he took over, but he had his tickets for oz paid for. Despite hurling 2 years intercounty u21. Don't think Gary Molloy wanted to play Senior intercounty, or Aaron Maddock.
Pretty even no?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 20/05/2025 11:04:05
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Replying To Viking66: "Some of that Kilkenny team are only making an impact now this year. Billy Ryan and Shane Murphy. John Donnelly is the only one who has been a regular for a few years. Tommy Walsh, Conor Delaney, and Alan Murphy never really made the breakthrough, while the star of that team, Richie Leahy, is on Oz after never making it either.
Shane Reck, Rory and Cathal Dunbar are all starters a long time, while Darren Byrne, Conor Firman, Joe O Connor, all played a few Senior games, Jake Firman, Darren Codd and Joe Coleman all have been in the panel, while Stephen O Gorman never got a phonecall until Keith rang him when he took over, but he had his tickets for oz paid for. Despite hurling 2 years intercounty u21. Don't think Gary Molloy wanted to play Senior intercounty, or Aaron Maddock.
Pretty even no?" Funnily enough, was just looking at the team yesterday and noticed we only had five lads up to the age starting in that final (Dunbar, Darragh Hughes, Harry O'Connor, Joe Coleman, and Sam Kelly)
First three lads to be subbed off that day were Kelly, O'Connor, and Coleman as well
Usually with these under-age teams, it's very hard to be successful if you don't have many players up to the age who are capable of going on to play Senior
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