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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Not going to beat ya when you are down lads but for me everything has to be on the table for Wexford to move forward.
Its all well and good saying "We were in this u20 final and that minor lost by a point", where are the players from those teams? Who made it from then?
As a county the excuses need to stop. Yes there was a howler of a refereeing decision v us, but you still had 20-25 minutes in that game to win it? It wasn't that goal for me, it was the one after it that beat you. You never shored up the back this year at all and your manager is a former full back. But the refrain was "the ref cost us". Where was the ****** off performance v Galway where the team were fuming about the injustice in PP the week before? Instead, they went out with a whimper when Galway were not even great.
I bet the minors were beaten before they left the dressing room yesterday, "We were without Sean O'Brien".
Its all a cop-out lads, as a county need to stop looking for excuses and instead when you get shafted by a referee or an injury its up to everybody else to step up and be men and redouble the effort? I feel in Wexford when these happen the heads drop and its woe is me is the vibe. That's when you need to say "F this we'll show them" as a team.
Like yesterday, if Wexford got the start Dublin got v Kilkenny I think you would have lost by 20 points. I don't like saying it but the do or die mentality is missing.
Stop with the "if this hadn't happened" or "we were unlucky" refrain and start using these as fuel.
You may stick with Rossiter because to be blunt lads, nobody is going to want the job.
I fear for Wexford and hate saying it given its where I live now but its all well and good winning the Tony Forristal or whatever but where are the 2-3 Adam Screeneys in that team and in every team and what are Wexford doing to turn them in to top players?
Paying development coaches top money for me has to be a priority for Wexford, any coach worth anything is involved in a club team and cashing in.
Hurling in schools needs to become a priority, do schools use astroturf facilities to promote the game?
And lads, forget about 1996 and emotional speeches and Liam Griffin and Larry O'Garman singing Dancing at the Crossroads. Its cringey, it'll be 30 years ago next year. The game has moved on from that sort of thing, unfortunately I don't feel Wexford have." Agree that decent coaches need to get better expenses.
No other county has many Adam Screeneys coming through once a year, never mind a few of them every year. And alot of them don't make good Senior hurlers in any case. Liam Collins was exceptionally good underage for Galway, Richie Leahy before that for Kilkenny. No knowing if Screeney will make it either, I've seen him in a couple of Senior games now, he didn't stand out.
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Cian Molloy, Conor Foley, Eoin Ryan, Cian Byrne, and Richie Lawlor from those two U20 sides have started multiple Championship games for us and Darragh Carley started on Saturday so I'm not really sure about your point that the players aren't coming through. Only county with more starters from that age group than us right now is Offaly and that's because they had little ahead and little behind that superstar crop of Minors/U20s" Jack Redmond has started games also, didn't Tucker get a start as well?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 19/05/2025 15:17:55
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Replying To MyOhMi: "Why would we be watching JJ and Harriers this year - you think he is going to achieve something and then be a favourite candidate to replace Rossi?" He's on the line with Rossi as it is?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 19/05/2025 15:18:59
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Replying To Viking66: "Jack Redmond has started games also, didn't Tucker get a start as well?" In the league, not in the Championship
CBD and Oisín Pepper have also started league games although that was all the way back in 2022 for the latter
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 19/05/2025 15:26:08
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "In the league, not in the Championship
CBD and Oisín Pepper have also started league games although that was all the way back in 2022 for the latter" True too. Hopefully CBD can get a bit of physicality into his game. Usually excellent on the ball, just getting it into his hand seems to be an issue. Not sure what's happened with Pepper, doesn't seem to have the same confidence he used to have.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 19/05/2025 15:34:04
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As for the spine next year….
1. No idea, many options, not too sure how many of them are good enough but hardly any of them outside of Fanning (And to some extent Lawlor) have any experience at that level
3. Eoin Whelan for me, would rather Conor Foley at wing-back or in midfield. Maybe Darragh Kehoe, think Michael Dundon would be more suited by 3 than 6 as well. Could see Jippo retiring and wouldn't blame him after all he has been through
6. Molloy for me, he's a natural centre-back, can't see Paudie Foley coming back, would free up Damien Reck to play wing-back
9. Richie Lawlor for me, either him or Foley (And would have the other at wing-back). Foley would offer more ignorance at midfield and Lawlor might score more from wing-back but prefer Foley on the wing as he's slightly taller and he's the better ball-striker IMO. Richie can run all day and putting him in midfield would allow him to run at the opposition (What he's best at IMO). Think Darragh Carley should be Hearne's replacement in the medium-term to long-term
11. If he fills out and shows some dog, CBD has the talent to play there, can score from long-range and can be a playmaker from there. Simon Roche another option but would prefer maybe putting him at corner-forward/full-forward and giving him license to roam. Think Rowley should be at wing-forward, has height and a good attitude, try and develop him ability to win the ball in the air and to score from distance, would be a big danger if allowed to run at defences from out the pitch. Jack Redmond another who I prefer on the wing
14. Rory or Simon Roche, maybe Mac although injuries have been taking their toll on him (And the same can be said for Shane Reck, we don't have as many options at corner-back though)
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 19/05/2025 15:35:21
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Cian Molloy, Conor Foley, Eoin Ryan, Cian Byrne, and Richie Lawlor from those two U20 sides have started multiple Championship games for us and Darragh Carley started on Saturday so I'm not really sure about your point that the players aren't coming through. Only county with more starters from that age group than us right now is Offaly and that's because they had little ahead and little behind that superstar crop of Minors/U20s" We really need to add the likes of Cian Byrne (Rosslare) , Darragh Kehoe, Eoin Whelan , Sean Rowley , Jack Redmond and Simon Roche to the list of championship regulars for us over the next year or 2. These are all lads with good potential. These lads need to be bedded in from January next year onwards maybe its a good thing we are in 1B where we can build. To be fair we do have some decent talent coming through its not all doom and gloom . I know Sean O Brien is young but is he 18 next year can he play with our senior hurlers even though if we keep our club structure he wont be allowed to play adult with the club?
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Minors playing Limerick on Saturday at 4pm. Thurles again. Why are all these matches in Munster venues? What would be wrong with Nowlan Park for some of them?
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Minors playing Limerick on Saturday at 4pm. Thurles again. Why are all these matches in Munster venues? What would be wrong with Nowlan Park for some of them?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 19/05/2025 15:38:44
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Replying To Viking66: "He's on the line with Rossi as it is?" no don't think so
MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 192 - 19/05/2025 15:40:22
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Replying To Viking66: "Jack Redmond has started games also, didn't Tucker get a start as well?" Tucker started championship in Laois last year
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Replying To Viking66: "Minors playing Limerick on Saturday at 4pm. Thurles again. Why are all these matches in Munster venues? What would be wrong with Nowlan Park for some of them?" Thurles, Tipperary, "The Home of Hurling!" That's why!
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2265 - 19/05/2025 15:56:13
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Replying To Viking66: "Why do the clubs keep voting for this format then?
As regards those positions I agree to a point.
1- we need a new 1, Mark is getting on, whether you love him or hate him. Of the younger, early 20s, keepers Cian Byrne looked the best underage, though I think Paddy Quigley is an excellent teenage prospect if he keeps developing.
3- Dara Kehoe is our best aged early 20s prospect there I think, but got injured playing Fitzgibbon. Of the younger, teenage, lads I think Eoin Hughes is an excellent prospect.
6- I'm not someone who thinks Damien is bad there, but he might be better at midfield, alongside Hearne. We haven't had a really good 6 underage in a while, since Patsy tbh, maybe Eoin Whelan could be looked at there if he's fit next year? I still think Ian Carty would be our best man there who is in the mid-ish 20s age bracket, but he's in Oz. I don't see any really outstanding teenage 6s, though Ciaran Gethings is ok and might develop. Darragh Ryan isn't a 6.
9- Damien Reck. Conor Foley, or Rowley if not played at 11, our best in the early 20s age group, though David Codd is good too.
11- I think we have some good lads coming through at this position, Jack Redmond if he keeps improving, then of the younger lads Roche is ok, Rowley could make an excellent 11 in time, and Sean O Brien and Darragh Ryan both have the makings of a good 11 of the minors. Rory probably the best of the midish 20s lads for 11.
14- all of the 11s above could probably make a good 14 if they develop more, though Rowley, O'Brien and Ryan would probably be better at 11.
So next year for the 1st League game if everyone is fit and with an eye to the next 3 years-
1- Byrne
3- Kehoe
6- Carty if home, Reck or maybe Whelan if not.
8- Hearne
9- Reck if he isn't 6, Conor Foley or Codd or Rowley otherwise.
11- Redmond or Rowley, but probably Rorys position for Championship.
14- Redmond or maybe Roche.
Bearing in mind we will need some experience in every line if we realistically want to get promoted back up again." Was Whelan injured this year? From the team that lost that u20 final v Offaly I would have thought he would have been one of the surer bets to step up. Had the size and solid positional sense. Molloy should have been at 6 this year, opportunity wasted there. Might aswell try him there for this dead rubber v KK.
The further we drift closer to the second tier, it's going to be even harder to attract talented players to commit - lots of other attractions worldwide. U20 teams have been very poor in last couple of seasons. I guess it ain't rocket science but we need to get more players playing consistently at the highest level of school, college, county underage to be ready for senior. The culture/DNA within that setup needs to be looked at too, downing tools is unacceptable at every level. I hate using Cody's KK as a comparison but he often had lads playing, JJ Farrell comes to mind, who no way were in the best 15-20 talented players in the county. But he could trust them to do a job for him and give their all in the process.
I feel for Rossi as he has the county's best interests at heart for sure but if there isn't a change of manager then there's going to have to be wholesale changes in the backroom team ahead of next season.
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Replying To Viking66: "Agree that decent coaches need to get better expenses.
No other county has many Adam Screeneys coming through once a year, never mind a few of them every year. And alot of them don't make good Senior hurlers in any case. Liam Collins was exceptionally good underage for Galway, Richie Leahy before that for Kilkenny. No knowing if Screeney will make it either, I've seen him in a couple of Senior games now, he didn't stand out." All of them underage talents you mentioned are very slight physically and struggled to win their ball, which is a must at senior inter county hurling.
Richie Leahy was very unfortunate with injuries though, he would of probably made it.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 949 - 19/05/2025 16:12:43
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Replying To MyOhMi: "no don't think so" Didn't hear that he was. Franks, Fitzhenry, Mythen, Jason Ryan and now you say Viking that JJ is involved. And that's just the coaches and selectors.
With all those experienced guys with Rossi we are very much underachieving.
Would it make a difference if we changed our backroom and freshen things up a bit?
Or keep them intact for another year and hope that everything improves ?
I have a feeling that Keith will step down shortly after the Kilkenny match and maybe if that happens he could take over once again with the U20s. Of course we would then have the unenviable task of finding a new manager.
I really can't envisage a big queue lining up to take the job. Just a thought, i may be wide of the mark.
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Replying To Magpie2: "Didn't hear that he was. Franks, Fitzhenry, Mythen, Jason Ryan and now you say Viking that JJ is involved. And that's just the coaches and selectors.
With all those experienced guys with Rossi we are very much underachieving.
Would it make a difference if we changed our backroom and freshen things up a bit?
Or keep them intact for another year and hope that everything improves ?
I have a feeling that Keith will step down shortly after the Kilkenny match and maybe if that happens he could take over once again with the U20s. Of course we would then have the unenviable task of finding a new manager.
I really can't envisage a big queue lining up to take the job. Just a thought, i may be wide of the mark." Has Keith another year left on his contract?
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Replying To Afinestick96: "Tucker started championship in Laois last year" You're right, had forgot about that one
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 19/05/2025 16:22:55
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Replying To Afinestick96: "We really need to add the likes of Cian Byrne (Rosslare) , Darragh Kehoe, Eoin Whelan , Sean Rowley , Jack Redmond and Simon Roche to the list of championship regulars for us over the next year or 2. These are all lads with good potential. These lads need to be bedded in from January next year onwards maybe its a good thing we are in 1B where we can build. To be fair we do have some decent talent coming through its not all doom and gloom . I know Sean O Brien is young but is he 18 next year can he play with our senior hurlers even though if we keep our club structure he wont be allowed to play adult with the club?" I think there is a danger in throwing SOB straight into the Senior set-up, may end up running him into the ground
It's like with Offaly, they've a lot of very good young hurlers who would've hurled Minor, three years U20, Fitzgibbon as well, but would also have been thrown into the Senior set-up at a very young age as well, that's an awful lot of games for a young player, Kilcormac-Killoughey players would have it even tougher
That's why I think we're best off giving O'Brien time to develop
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 19/05/2025 16:25:33
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Replying To Magpie2: "Didn't hear that he was. Franks, Fitzhenry, Mythen, Jason Ryan and now you say Viking that JJ is involved. And that's just the coaches and selectors.
With all those experienced guys with Rossi we are very much underachieving.
Would it make a difference if we changed our backroom and freshen things up a bit?
Or keep them intact for another year and hope that everything improves ?
I have a feeling that Keith will step down shortly after the Kilkenny match and maybe if that happens he could take over once again with the U20s. Of course we would then have the unenviable task of finding a new manager.
I really can't envisage a big queue lining up to take the job. Just a thought, i may be wide of the mark." Joe Fortune would be interested, I would imagine
Don't know if Mullally would be interested but would doubt he moves if Carlow get promoted. Mind you, if they don't get prompted, he may want to move on as he's been there a while and might think he has no more to offer there
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 19/05/2025 16:29:01
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Replying To Viking66: "Agree that decent coaches need to get better expenses.
No other county has many Adam Screeneys coming through once a year, never mind a few of them every year. And alot of them don't make good Senior hurlers in any case. Liam Collins was exceptionally good underage for Galway, Richie Leahy before that for Kilkenny. No knowing if Screeney will make it either, I've seen him in a couple of Senior games now, he didn't stand out." Its going to be a huge step for screeney. He has done alot of hurling already and the demands of high end s&c could be difficult. Liam collins was similar stature and he really struggled with the training.remember a sean macdonagh from galway playing minor around 2018 or 2019 he was excellent.liam collins was excellent underage aswell. He isnt on the galway panel this year. Oisin pepper was well touted when davey was in charge. To be fair rory o connor and conor mac havent lived up to underage potential. Richie leahy gave a unbelievable display against galway one year at minor. Billy drennan was well hyped and had a good u20 all ireland but has went backwards since and will do well to make their panel when they get all the injuries back. Its a huge step up as we all know and things have to go fierce right for ya. We have all seen really good minors or u20 not kicking on
Its hard to look at next year when the summer has barely started but the facts are there. Couldn't beat dublin or galway and were lucky against offally who just came up and got battered in two previous games. I respect keith for taking this job despite a big transition coming. We all knew this was coming. Liam dunne broke the ice before davey took over but we all knew there was potential there. We dont see them players coming soon but all they can do now is persist with young lads.Unfortunately some players have never got that form back and have being crippled with injuries.they do say he leaves teams in a jock. More will go this year. Theres no other team around thats as reliant on one player as chin is. Division 2 will help blood new players and get confidence playing weaker teams while also better teams like dublin and clare. I was very disappointed with the support this year . Some tiny turnouts. The minor could give the county a much needed lift against limerick so hopefully the crowd gets behind them
Slowandshortsighted (UK) - Posts: 70 - 19/05/2025 16:31:44
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