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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Hard luck Canuck.

You did well there's until you ranted for 75% of your post about supposed Clare simulation. Lots more going on to focus on from a Waterford perspective then such deflection"
He has a point about the theatrics to be fair.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2320 - 14/05/2023 00:48:29    2478209

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Hard luck Canuck.

You did well there's until you ranted for 75% of your post about supposed Clare simulation. Lots more going on to focus on from a Waterford perspective then such deflection"
Clare, Galway, and Cork are great at falling down and overreacting when slightly hit. Kilkenny, Tipp, and Limerick, fortunately still take the belts and hits like men in the way hurlers of the past always did. So, keep your fkn red helmet firmly fixed Lohan, or at least be a man and stand up when you're hit! Fkc your faking!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2224 - 14/05/2023 00:50:51    2478210

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The munster championship just got incredibly interesting. Limerick will be fully focused now on 2 wins and nothing else. Of course there is thr chance they could be gone next Sunday but I think the 3 week break and the video analysis of how this years championship is being played out tactically will be an enormous benefit right in the middle of it. I think they'll come looking for a statement v Tipp.

The game on it just before could very well be a winner take all. If cork beat clare then clare will have to rely on tipp or cork beating limerick as tipp will beat Waterford. If I was Brian lohan I wouldn't be confident of any of those. So clare will be all out for the win. Cork similarly know a defeat to clare would mean they would have to beat limerick in the gaelic grounds to qualify.

Its very hard to call the 3 now and the country will be relishing the idea of limerick getting knocked out of munster but I wouldn't be betting on it

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 14/05/2023 07:50:37    2478213

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Hard luck Canuck.

You did well there's until you ranted for 75% of your post about supposed Clare simulation. Lots more going on to focus on from a Waterford perspective then such deflection"
Agreed the 2 are different topics. Only simulation I saw was Rory Hayes's dive onto the floor hokding his head after a second delay and equally as quick return to his feet after the brush on the helmet but I only saw it because I was watching it on GAAGO.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15731 - 14/05/2023 08:26:40    2478217

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Replying To suckvalleypaddy:  "Waterford need to compete in Leinster.
Or, have an open draw for Liam."
They can hardly claim at this stage to be on a much different level to the bottom two teams in Leinster in fairness. Guaranteed status hardly going to make them any better.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3524 - 14/05/2023 09:17:42    2478229

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Counted 8 across the Waterford half back line twice for their own puckouts. Really F**cked up tactics. Dessie H regularly back on his own 45....let about two decent balls the whole game into the full forward line. I've never really criticised Davy in the past but that was just ridiculous stuff. These mad things hes coming up with will never work. Felt sorry for the likes of Bennett and Dessie H who are top class players who thrive on good ball in day in day out.
Clare can't read anything at all in to that. Lose against Cork and they are likely to go out - win and theyre probably in Munster final. Home game in Ennis should suit them but its not clear cut and the pressure is still on them."
If ye beat Limerick in the early throw in next week, we are through to the All Ireland series and have a crack at Cork for Munster final.

If you told me at the start of the championship that Clare would have Cork at home to get to Munster final I would have taken that. Game is a sell out already and I can see a savage atmosphere in Ennis

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 14/05/2023 09:17:54    2478230

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Replying To tiobraid:  "They could spring a shock but its ridiculous that theyre brought into Liam McCarthy. It's like your counties Intermediate champions having the chance to win the Intermediate and senior cship in the same season. You couldn't make it up. The final should be on before the senior final and give them some other benefit such as a holiday"
I actually forgot the runners up of the Joe Mac final alls get a free pass into the AI series. So you could have the runners up of the intermediate championship winning the senior and not there's nothing I can see whereby they aren't in the Joe Max next year again despite holding Liam Mc
Of course it's not going to happen but for me it's one of the stupidest things I've ever come across in the GAA

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 14/05/2023 10:09:33    2478243

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Counted 8 across the Waterford half back line twice for their own puckouts. Really F**cked up tactics. Dessie H regularly back on his own 45....let about two decent balls the whole game into the full forward line. I've never really criticised Davy in the past but that was just ridiculous stuff. These mad things hes coming up with will never work. Felt sorry for the likes of Bennett and Dessie H who are top class players who thrive on good ball in day in day out.
Clare can't read anything at all in to that. Lose against Cork and they are likely to go out - win and theyre probably in Munster final. Home game in Ennis should suit them but its not clear cut and the pressure is still on them."
It sounds like they are set up to 'try not to lose' rather than 'try to win'. Just like my soccer team Spurs.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2774 - 14/05/2023 10:42:43    2478247

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Replying To Canuck:  "1. The players are not good enough.
2. They don't look nearly fit enough to compete at this level.
3. Style of play unsuited for Waterford teams.
4. No support and this was completely predictable as the majority did not want Davy Fitzgearld and said they were not going to travel.
We now resemble our 70 and 80's levels. On top of that no success at under age since 2016 and what developed this team.
Congratulations to Clare and I hope they have a great run in the rest of this championship. I also hope they are not going to start this simulation stuff like today. The ref had to give Lyons the first yellow but the antics of the Clare player after was theatrical. If Lyons was a yellow what was the other card in that incident ? Also later in the game a Clare player gets a little push and rolls around again. The ref did not fall for it this time but these embellishments should be a yellow card. This is what people on here were slating us for."
It's a tough one Canuck. The best thing Waterford can do is to move on, put it down as a bad year, change the management set up and get everyone on board. Ye have the players, both skilful and strong, to compete at the highest level.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 14/05/2023 10:54:21    2478249

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Replying To baire:  "It's a tough one Canuck. The best thing Waterford can do is to move on, put it down as a bad year, change the management set up and get everyone on board. Ye have the players, both skilful and strong, to compete at the highest level."
I couldn't agree more.

MiAmigaVERONICA (Clare) - Posts: 323 - 14/05/2023 11:22:11    2478255

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Clare, Galway, and Cork are great at falling down and overreacting when slightly hit. Kilkenny, Tipp, and Limerick, fortunately still take the belts and hits like men in the way hurlers of the past always did. So, keep your fkn red helmet firmly fixed Lohan, or at least be a man and stand up when you're hit! Fkc your faking!"
Do you think hegarty took the push from the Waterford backroom team member like a man?

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1468 - 14/05/2023 12:02:00    2478267

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I actually forgot the runners up of the Joe Mac final alls get a free pass into the AI series. So you could have the runners up of the intermediate championship winning the senior and not there's nothing I can see whereby they aren't in the Joe Max next year again despite holding Liam Mc
Of course it's not going to happen but for me it's one of the stupidest things I've ever come across in the GAA"
The idea is to promote the sport in the middle tier counties. Laois beat Dublin, and Antrim gave Cork plenty of it last year and Kerry went toe to toe with us the first 40 minutes, so it's maybe not that stupid tbh.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15731 - 14/05/2023 12:28:52    2478287

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Clare, Galway, and Cork are great at falling down and overreacting when slightly hit. Kilkenny, Tipp, and Limerick, fortunately still take the belts and hits like men in the way hurlers of the past always did. So, keep your fkn red helmet firmly fixed Lohan, or at least be a man and stand up when you're hit! Fkc your faking!"
There was an example of that at the KK v Galway Leinster Minor final on Friday evening. Galway no6 took a 'belt' as you describe!!, and fell down claiming all sorts of nonsense, that he didn't know where he was etc. There was no such thing as concussion in my day, but then the human being is evolving, and getting smarter all the time we're told. There will be exceptions and outliers of course.

Tremendous achievement for the young Tribesmen to catch Meath in the Leinster Minor hurling 'order of merit', after their very first season in the grade.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4137 - 14/05/2023 12:36:17    2478290

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "If ye beat Limerick in the early throw in next week, we are through to the All Ireland series and have a crack at Cork for Munster final.

If you told me at the start of the championship that Clare would have Cork at home to get to Munster final I would have taken that. Game is a sell out already and I can see a savage atmosphere in Ennis"
Clare v cork is first up. Loser could be gone if limerick win last 2

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 14/05/2023 12:51:14    2478294

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "There was an example of that at the KK v Galway Leinster Minor final on Friday evening. Galway no6 took a 'belt' as you describe!!, and fell down claiming all sorts of nonsense, that he didn't know where he was etc. There was no such thing as concussion in my day, but then the human being is evolving, and getting smarter all the time we're told. There will be exceptions and outliers of course.

Tremendous achievement for the young Tribesmen to catch Meath in the Leinster Minor hurling 'order of merit', after their very first season in the grade."
I think your subtlety of language may be lost forever on the young PB. That was one of the worst 'hits' to the head that I have seen in a long time. How are parents of under-17 supposed to react to such violence, seeing their son concussed in that manner and the perpetrator getting off with a yellow card?

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 14/05/2023 12:57:03    2478296

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The misnomer that some counties takes belts like men is complete rubbish. I have seen players from every county getting a tap on the helmet and going down holding their head.

I had an old cooper helmet in the 80s/90s and it got bet off me, I never once had to take it off or go down because of a hit to it. And I don't buy the "hits are bigger now" - some of the hits are taps to the helmet as replays show.

Every county has mastered the "momentum breaking" hit or fake injury or going down to get opponents sent off. The belief that its only some counties is delusional. Every county is doing it.

Lyons ran 20+ yards to hit Fitzgerald, sorry but that is on him. Why give the referee an option?

Some man for one man is Davy though, he's consistent with his criticism of the anonymous Clare backroom team member to divert from the reality that his team were completely outclassed. He couldn't say who it was 2-3 years ago when there was about 20 people in the ground.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1340 - 14/05/2023 13:05:45    2478300

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Replying To daveboy:  "Clare v cork is first up. Loser could be gone if limerick win last 2"
Yes it's the first up. I agree….that's a do or die for both teams. Tipp without Jason Forde is a scary prospect going into facing this Limerick team. I'd be very worried about the kind of score Limerick is going to put up against us. However who would have thought after 3 games in Munster that Tipp might have the chance to knock Limerikc out (if Cork beat Clare in the earlier game). Any complacency that may have been in Limerick is gone now for the rest of the year…unfortunately for the rest!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 14/05/2023 13:53:50    2478319

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Replying To Viking66:  "Agreed the 2 are different topics. Only simulation I saw was Rory Hayes's dive onto the floor hokding his head after a second delay and equally as quick return to his feet after the brush on the helmet but I only saw it because I was watching it on GAAGO."
You missed a lot Viking is all I can say but look all the decisions in the world would not change the result. Clare 15 beat our 14 off the field and are a fine team. You should not put yourself in this position to begin with. Punishment for a similar and worse offence did not occur. The refs will miss things that is for sure but if you are standing watching it that is hard to take. Again like a blatant trip last week.
We will go away and lick our wounds but quiet honestly the future is bleak. This group has shot its bolt. Clare were worthy winners playing in 3rd gear and now good contenders for silverware.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3044 - 14/05/2023 14:33:33    2478326

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Replying To Ban:  "Do you think hegarty took the push from the Waterford backroom team member like a man?"
I'm talking about what happens on the field of play. That punch to the ribs, not a shove as you deem it, didn't happen on the field of play. Backroom team members hitting players has no part in any sport whatsoever. But by referencing it, your implication is that it is relevant.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2224 - 14/05/2023 14:40:02    2478329

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Replying To Canuck:  "You missed a lot Viking is all I can say but look all the decisions in the world would not change the result. Clare 15 beat our 14 off the field and are a fine team. You should not put yourself in this position to begin with. Punishment for a similar and worse offence did not occur. The refs will miss things that is for sure but if you are standing watching it that is hard to take. Again like a blatant trip last week.
We will go away and lick our wounds but quiet honestly the future is bleak. This group has shot its bolt. Clare were worthy winners playing in 3rd gear and now good contenders for silverware."
What's worrying for Waterford hurling is the lack of minor and u20 success Canuck. By that I mean not winning many games, let alone provincial or national titles. You would have to worry that Waterford could go the same way as Offaly for a while if things don't get better at underage in the next few years. Would make you wonder is Ballygunnars success affecting the county teams, as more and more lads choose to play for them than other clubs in the East Waterford area where they could be playing for 1st teams against better opponents all the way up from u10.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15731 - 14/05/2023 15:23:42    2478342

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