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Wexford Intercounty Hurling 2023

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Replying To Timbertony:  "Ability to win primary possession still very important as seen yesterday! No point expecting him to be sprinting out to the corners to win ball when outnumbered but direct ball in one on one and he can still be a big asset."
If you look back he spent alot of time moving out around the corners and ran back into the space inside.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 21/08/2023 15:17:05    2501623

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Replying To Timbertony:  "Ability to win primary possession still very important as seen yesterday! No point expecting him to be sprinting out to the corners to win ball when outnumbered but direct ball in one on one and he can still be a big asset."
He's proved since the AISF in 2019 he isn't able to win primary possession inside 1 on 1 with the current top intercounry fullbacks when doesn't make runs. Cleary, Mcinerney, O Donnell, Lawlor have all done pretty well on him. That's the problem. Granted they do foul him but they get away with it. He's not even winning the frees that Rory O Connor wins. As an inside forward you have to keep the scoreboard ticking. And he hasn't in most games the last good while.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 21/08/2023 15:22:21    2501625

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If a full forward stands wrestling with a full back its a full backs game all day.
McDonald yesterday made space for himself and got a yard on the Oylegate defence that is harder to get at inter county level.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1264 - 21/08/2023 15:43:40    2501633

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And good luck to Rossiter by the way. I hope he can make Wexford great again although not at Dublin's expense. I always give Wexford a shout v everybody else and hope the players and supporters get behind him from here. Supporters can be the 16th man so Wexford need everybody to get behind the team in my opinion.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1264 - 21/08/2023 15:45:44    2501634

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "If a full forward stands wrestling with a full back its a full backs game all day.
McDonald yesterday made space for himself and got a yard on the Oylegate defence that is harder to get at inter county level."
It's impossible to get when you stand still.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 21/08/2023 16:26:32    2501647

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "And good luck to Rossiter by the way. I hope he can make Wexford great again although not at Dublin's expense. I always give Wexford a shout v everybody else and hope the players and supporters get behind him from here. Supporters can be the 16th man so Wexford need everybody to get behind the team in my opinion."
If they just started turning up at Wexfords games they'd have a better chance of being a 16th man.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 21/08/2023 16:27:36    2501648

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "And good luck to Rossiter by the way. I hope he can make Wexford great again although not at Dublin's expense. I always give Wexford a shout v everybody else and hope the players and supporters get behind him from here. Supporters can be the 16th man so Wexford need everybody to get behind the team in my opinion."
First job is obviously to try to get the best players in the county to commit. Lots of rumours around about some experienced players going to be unavailable for various reasons. A few other strong club performers have opted out in last couple of years, would be good to get onboard. Even with the U20s Rossiter hasn't had an issue making hard decisions so I wouldn't be surprised to see some long standing panel members under pressure to make the league panel.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 309 - 21/08/2023 16:30:58    2501650

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Replying To Viking66:  "It's impossible to get when you stand still."
100%.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1264 - 21/08/2023 17:02:57    2501664

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Replying To Timbertony:  "First job is obviously to try to get the best players in the county to commit. Lots of rumours around about some experienced players going to be unavailable for various reasons. A few other strong club performers have opted out in last couple of years, would be good to get onboard. Even with the U20s Rossiter hasn't had an issue making hard decisions so I wouldn't be surprised to see some long standing panel members under pressure to make the league panel."
Some of those who were talked about all year, I didn't see anything yesterday to say they are inter county standard. Albeit it was 1 game and I don't get to many club games.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1264 - 21/08/2023 17:03:45    2501665

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Some of those who were talked about all year, I didn't see anything yesterday to say they are inter county standard. Albeit it was 1 game and I don't get to many club games."
I think the day a lad can come in and be an intercounty starter from being a good club hurler in just 1 year is long gone. Carty was an exception this year but he is a natural athlete, naturally fit, and a great hurler. He had 39 possessions in the Intermediate semi final against St James. But even he had to put on 10kg between December and early May. But its speed of hurling is the big difference between club and intercounty. And running speed over the 1st 10 yards. Acceleration. Lads like Cian Molloy and AJ Redmond aren't automatic starters at intercounty either, they are only 21, and would have to put the work and training in the same as Carty did. Jack Cullen the same. Realistically we need to get those lads in and get them up to speed the 1st year and if they were fast enough mentally and physically, and strong enough, in their 1st year that would be a bonus. But if we don't bring them in, or they don't want to commit, we will never know. We do need more aeriel ball winners, especially in the forwards. We need a keeper or 2, especially for short puckouts so we can mix up our game more than we did this year. We need to have 26 lads as good as the 1st 15 also. We need some backs that can fill in at 3 and 6. Niall Hughes I think has potential at intercounty. He is very good at club level. But we need more like him. Effectively Damien Reck missed the entire championship. Ryan missed most of it too as he wasn't able to run against Dublin or Westmeath. We definitely need to have less injuries. And we definitely need a better sports psychologist.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 21/08/2023 17:19:58    2501667

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Replying To Viking66:  "I think the day a lad can come in and be an intercounty starter from being a good club hurler in just 1 year is long gone. Carty was an exception this year but he is a natural athlete, naturally fit, and a great hurler. He had 39 possessions in the Intermediate semi final against St James. But even he had to put on 10kg between December and early May. But its speed of hurling is the big difference between club and intercounty. And running speed over the 1st 10 yards. Acceleration. Lads like Cian Molloy and AJ Redmond aren't automatic starters at intercounty either, they are only 21, and would have to put the work and training in the same as Carty did. Jack Cullen the same. Realistically we need to get those lads in and get them up to speed the 1st year and if they were fast enough mentally and physically, and strong enough, in their 1st year that would be a bonus. But if we don't bring them in, or they don't want to commit, we will never know. We do need more aeriel ball winners, especially in the forwards. We need a keeper or 2, especially for short puckouts so we can mix up our game more than we did this year. We need to have 26 lads as good as the 1st 15 also. We need some backs that can fill in at 3 and 6. Niall Hughes I think has potential at intercounty. He is very good at club level. But we need more like him. Effectively Damien Reck missed the entire championship. Ryan missed most of it too as he wasn't able to run against Dublin or Westmeath. We definitely need to have less injuries. And we definitely need a better sports psychologist."
Niall Murphy that should read

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 22/08/2023 07:43:20    2501713

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Just FYI we didn't actually have a psychologist last year

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3228 - 22/08/2023 14:56:22    2501786

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Just FYI we didn't actually have a psychologist last year"
That's actually shocking. Especially as the manager spent very little time talking to the lads individually.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 22/08/2023 15:31:27    2501797

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Just FYI we didn't actually have a psychologist last year"
Hard to believe we had one in 1996 and not this year

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 22/08/2023 15:33:19    2501799

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The Irish independent have a big article about Keith Rositter tomorrow ( wednesday).
Should make interesting reading for us fanatics.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 386 - 22/08/2023 17:30:11    2501818

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Some of those who were talked about all year, I didn't see anything yesterday to say they are inter county standard. Albeit it was 1 game and I don't get to many club games."
I am a bit tired of the point but anyone looking to find new intercounty players through the Senior club championship are deluded. Also complaining that the structure of the championship is an impediment to the development of intercounty players is equally deluded. The Club championship should always be viewed in the light of what is the best option for well The Club players. The bedrock of the GAA is the club and the club players, lose that and it doesn't matter what inter County games are on the TV, the GAA will go backwards.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1904 - 23/08/2023 04:40:00    2501844

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Replying To Magpie2:  "The Irish independent have a big article about Keith Rositter tomorrow ( wednesday).
Should make interesting reading for us fanatics."
I honestly believe GRiffin was a decade ahead of his time and has circumstances been different and he had stayed on for 5-6 years post '96 the history of Wexford GAA would I think be very, very different.

wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 88 - 23/08/2023 10:32:39    2501859

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Replying To zinny:  "I am a bit tired of the point but anyone looking to find new intercounty players through the Senior club championship are deluded. Also complaining that the structure of the championship is an impediment to the development of intercounty players is equally deluded. The Club championship should always be viewed in the light of what is the best option for well The Club players. The bedrock of the GAA is the club and the club players, lose that and it doesn't matter what inter County games are on the TV, the GAA will go backwards."
I'm largely in agreement but the championship structures do impacts the time lads devote to developing their skills. If this is compacted then we may be missing out when compared to other counties.

wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 88 - 23/08/2023 10:35:50    2501860

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Replying To Magpie2:  "The Irish independent have a big article about Keith Rositter tomorrow ( wednesday).
Should make interesting reading for us fanatics."
Any links to the article?

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 23/08/2023 10:47:33    2501866

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Replying To wexford2012:  "I honestly believe GRiffin was a decade ahead of his time and has circumstances been different and he had stayed on for 5-6 years post '96 the history of Wexford GAA would I think be very, very different."
True, but it should be remembered how close the team came under Rory Kinsella in 1997-8. Retained Leinster, and then were ambushed by Tipp through the backdoor in the semi final. Caught a little cold, Laffan obvs injured, Rod Guiney lost early, the Rory McCarthy assault, it was one of those days. Tipp had the perfect prep, a handy warm up game vs Down. We had no game for five weeks and were sitting ducks.
1998 was such a championship, TG4 recently repeated their documentary about 90's hurling, every match a compelling chapter. But it's forgotten that at the start of their epic journey, Offaly robbed Wexford blind. It as bad as Limerick 1994. MacSuibhne had an absolute mare, as I recall.
Had Wexford survived that game, they would have been guaranteed a qr final at least. The team would have got stronger, there was the chance that some or all of Liam Dunne, Rod Guiney, Gary Laffan and Darragh Ryan would have been back for the semi-final.

wendellgee (Wexford) - Posts: 29 - 23/08/2023 11:10:37    2501872

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