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Is it staying the same at inter County u17 u20 if so u16 and u18 championships won't be started until after the u17s and 20s for (18s) are out .
Yes may be tournaments to placate everyone . But with split season county u17s won't be training or playing with their clubs until they exit championshp which now incorpoartes 2 age groups u16 and 18 throw in leaving cert and junior cycle . So looking at mid July possible start date at the earliest .
Split season I thought would mean adult now it seems u17+ 20 managers can dictate when and how young players interact and play with their clubs whilst the 2 age groups sit and wait for meaningful championship games to begin.
Dual code system in wexford will mean reduced amount of championship games for the majority of these young players whilst the elite will thrive the lads on the borderline will fall back or fall off altogether.
Could it not be possible to allow u17 and at worst u18s to play lowest grade ie junior b championships if u18 not proceeding until July.
Tournaments for those u17 lazt few meant minimum of 2 games which if you looked back several teams could not field teams or had to give walkovers may have been more last year not100% on that .
Point I m making is yes has the inter County underage being taken far to serious and destroying the development of the rest of these young players . Development squads etc surely destroy confidence of those not picked and hinder their development for the future solution I m not sure possibly work harder on club level by co board and development officers .
Industry squads were good idea but its become more cut throat as years go on .
Talk to the average young player and see how he feels . And then ask why there is a drop off at underage level it may surprise a few people . Think about being in their shoes and being treated as an also ran at such a young age.
Young people have changed the whole world has changed they may not have the same drive we may have had but they also see what goes on behind the scenes and are connected better to what goes on through social media and communication amongst themselves. Anything said good or bad is out before the door close . they can also read between the lines and Imo get the feeling very quickly they are not good enough or wanted .
We are losing our young players in the hope of being successful at a higher level .
That is just my opinion .
Think the split season at underage has done more harm than good and will continue to do so if the 90% of the rest of the young players are left to wait for championship games or reduced number of championship games
Yes I know the elite need to be brought on with s&c etc to be ready for the next level but at what COST to the CLUBS in the long run THE LIFEBLOOD OF THE GAA . .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 188 - 20/12/2022 10:06:09
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Replying To alwaysasub: "Any word on the the hurling squad is shaping up? I hear they have a played a few in house matches against the U20's." Still some lads away. Hopefully Darragh will give some of the newer lads a go in the Walsh Cup!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12212 - 20/12/2022 10:15:10
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Sorry about this possibly stupid question..I see most counties want to go back to under 18 from 17..will this take inter county minor back to 18 or have we to wait for congress??also if it gets to congress is there the 60 per cent rule to change again??myself I'd love if it went back to18..in limerick this year there were 17,19 and 21competitions..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2242 - 20/12/2022 10:20:39
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Leinster will be very competitive again this year.
Dublin will surely have a shot in the arm and will be well set up and hard to beat under O Donoghue.
Shefflin will not want to stand by and let Kilkenny walk up the steps after what happened between him and Cody last year, he will want some silverware for Galway to prove his worth to them.
Kilkenny again have a brand new management team under Lyng and again he will hope to get a bounce from his team, a good bit of pressure on him if truth be told, even in 2022 Kilkenny win Leinster and reach the AI final, he has really big boots to fill.
Where does this leave Wexford, on our day we can beat all of the above and we can also lose to the 3 teams above.
I think consistency in championship matches if what us as fans really want, that we don't play brilliantly one week and beat Galway and go out and play brutal and lose to Dublin the following week.
I think there is another Leinster in this group, but Lee Chin etc are still vital but we need 2 or 3 of the younger lads to really step up in championship to get us over the line.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 745 - 20/12/2022 10:51:25
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Replying To Past hurler: "Leinster will be very competitive again this year.
Dublin will surely have a shot in the arm and will be well set up and hard to beat under O Donoghue.
Shefflin will not want to stand by and let Kilkenny walk up the steps after what happened between him and Cody last year, he will want some silverware for Galway to prove his worth to them.
Kilkenny again have a brand new management team under Lyng and again he will hope to get a bounce from his team, a good bit of pressure on him if truth be told, even in 2022 Kilkenny win Leinster and reach the AI final, he has really big boots to fill.
Where does this leave Wexford, on our day we can beat all of the above and we can also lose to the 3 teams above.
I think consistency in championship matches if what us as fans really want, that we don't play brilliantly one week and beat Galway and go out and play brutal and lose to Dublin the following week.
I think there is another Leinster in this group, but Lee Chin etc are still vital but we need 2 or 3 of the younger lads to really step up in championship to get us over the line." I agree Galway will be stronger but looking at st. Thomas last weekend I wouldn't be overly worried and we could get something out of salt hill. Kilkenny under a new management could they do a fergie and fall off. Tj I think is struggling a bit, Cody is not going aswell as he would like… but come summer that could all change. Dublin will be interesting with michael donoghue and we will struggle in Parnell park. Anything is possible
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https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/tipperary-and-offaly-are-fined-250-for-playing-a-challenge-match-42231738.html
Intercounty is already underway!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12212 - 20/12/2022 13:16:01
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Replying To Wexfordgaa: "I agree Galway will be stronger but looking at st. Thomas last weekend I wouldn't be overly worried and we could get something out of salt hill. Kilkenny under a new management could they do a fergie and fall off. Tj I think is struggling a bit, Cody is not going aswell as he would like… but come summer that could all change. Dublin will be interesting with michael donoghue and we will struggle in Parnell park. Anything is possible" Tj is struggling a bit? Did you happen to see the All Ireland final?
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 644 - 20/12/2022 13:53:19
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Replying To countyman2022: "Tj is struggling a bit? Did you happen to see the All Ireland final?" He looked fairly impressive the last day too!!!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12212 - 20/12/2022 15:29:57
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Replying To Past hurler: "Leinster will be very competitive again this year.
Dublin will surely have a shot in the arm and will be well set up and hard to beat under O Donoghue.
Shefflin will not want to stand by and let Kilkenny walk up the steps after what happened between him and Cody last year, he will want some silverware for Galway to prove his worth to them.
Kilkenny again have a brand new management team under Lyng and again he will hope to get a bounce from his team, a good bit of pressure on him if truth be told, even in 2022 Kilkenny win Leinster and reach the AI final, he has really big boots to fill.
Where does this leave Wexford, on our day we can beat all of the above and we can also lose to the 3 teams above.
I think consistency in championship matches if what us as fans really want, that we don't play brilliantly one week and beat Galway and go out and play brutal and lose to Dublin the following week.
I think there is another Leinster in this group, but Lee Chin etc are still vital but we need 2 or 3 of the younger lads to really step up in championship to get us over the line." Like the recent Leinster round robins small margins will probably decide it again, of the roughly core 20-22 players of Davy's time Paudie Foley, Shaun Murphy, Aidan Nolan, Paul Morris, Harry Kehoe and maybe Liam Og (going on rumours here) might not be there next year so vital young lads step up, remember Egan saying in interviews last year he'd alot of faith in this year's u20s so interesting especially those who will be overage are given chances in the league.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 20/12/2022 22:00:57
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Like the recent Leinster round robins small margins will probably decide it again, of the roughly core 20-22 players of Davy's time Paudie Foley, Shaun Murphy, Aidan Nolan, Paul Morris, Harry Kehoe and maybe Liam Og (going on rumours here) might not be there next year so vital young lads step up, remember Egan saying in interviews last year he'd alot of faith in this year's u20s so interesting especially those who will be overage are given chances in the league." Absolutely. It is time to move forward in a big way.
I was talking to Egan last week. It looks like we're going to see loads of changes.
They had a training match in the park the other night under lights.
I think we have a new first choice goal keeper.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2747 - 21/12/2022 10:53:26
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Absolutely. It is time to move forward in a big way.
I was talking to Egan last week. It looks like we're going to see loads of changes.
They had a training match in the park the other night under lights.
I think we have a new first choice goal keeper." On the goalkeeper I'd give Fanning and Lawlor pretty much equal game time in Walsh Cup and League and then just pick the form player on merit.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 21/12/2022 12:47:15
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Absolutely. It is time to move forward in a big way.
I was talking to Egan last week. It looks like we're going to see loads of changes.
They had a training match in the park the other night under lights.
I think we have a new first choice goal keeper." Hopefully some of the new lads will step up during the Walsh Cup and League and take a championship starting place for themselves.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12212 - 21/12/2022 13:37:28
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Anyone else find it ironic that there is such a clamour to watch hurling under the lights in the Park, but if you are to believe experts within, hurling simply cannot be played under floodlights for the local championship?
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1424 - 03/01/2023 17:15:32
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I think two players can step up into the backs this year and secure staring places for themselves in defence - Cian Molloy
and AJ Redmond. I feel that Kyle Scallan is also at their standard too.
With that in mind I would put Paudie Foley at number 11 ( I'm still hopeful he will be with us this year and a change might suit him a bit like Kyle Hayes last year - remember he played wing forward U21)
New team would look like this come championship;
Fanning
Donohue Ryan AJ Redmond/ S Reck
C Molloy D Reck Hanlon/ Scallan
O Keefe K Foley
O Foley P Foley J O Connor
R O Connor Mac Chin
Hope to see a lot of new faces in the Walsh Cup and league eg Richie Lawlor, Jack Redmond, Cian And Cillian Byrne, Kyle Firman and Joe Barrett togging out and getting meaningful game time
Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 03/01/2023 18:46:48
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Replying To beano: "Anyone else find it ironic that there is such a clamour to watch hurling under the lights in the Park, but if you are to believe experts within, hurling simply cannot be played under floodlights for the local championship?" Yes. I went to the first ever hurling league match under lights.
The consensus was the same among players, mentors and supporters back then.
A bit odd they said they were opening the terraces too, then back tracked based on availability of stewards.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2747 - 04/01/2023 09:39:53
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Replying To Yellow: "I think two players can step up into the backs this year and secure staring places for themselves in defence - Cian Molloy
and AJ Redmond. I feel that Kyle Scallan is also at their standard too.
With that in mind I would put Paudie Foley at number 11 ( I'm still hopeful he will be with us this year and a change might suit him a bit like Kyle Hayes last year - remember he played wing forward U21)
New team would look like this come championship;
Fanning
Donohue Ryan AJ Redmond/ S Reck
C Molloy D Reck Hanlon/ Scallan
O Keefe K Foley
O Foley P Foley J O Connor
R O Connor Mac Chin
Hope to see a lot of new faces in the Walsh Cup and league eg Richie Lawlor, Jack Redmond, Cian And Cillian Byrne, Kyle Firman and Joe Barrett togging out and getting meaningful game time" Joe O Connor is back too.
With those options I can't see Donohoe starting.
Also Lawlor will be in the goal.
Still no sign of mogies announcement.
Hopefully he's had a change of heart
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2747 - 04/01/2023 09:49:44
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Replying To Yellow: "I think two players can step up into the backs this year and secure staring places for themselves in defence - Cian Molloy
and AJ Redmond. I feel that Kyle Scallan is also at their standard too.
With that in mind I would put Paudie Foley at number 11 ( I'm still hopeful he will be with us this year and a change might suit him a bit like Kyle Hayes last year - remember he played wing forward U21)
New team would look like this come championship;
Fanning
Donohue Ryan AJ Redmond/ S Reck
C Molloy D Reck Hanlon/ Scallan
O Keefe K Foley
O Foley P Foley J O Connor
R O Connor Mac Chin
Hope to see a lot of new faces in the Walsh Cup and league eg Richie Lawlor, Jack Redmond, Cian And Cillian Byrne, Kyle Firman and Joe Barrett togging out and getting meaningful game time" From what I heard, Molloy isn't on the panel this year, but might be wrong.
Don't know how you could have S.Reck as only a possible starter on your hypothetical team (best shut-out corner back we have by a distance), and for me the Jacko experiement has long since failed. It's okay to be an excellent club hurler but not quite at the same level at county.
I'd be hoping that the bulk of our experienced players (Chin, Ryan, Mac etc.), the two Recks and ROC (given their injury histories) are given the winter off and are only called into action in the last couple of rounds of the league. Important season in Egan's tenure, needs to be micro-managed.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1424 - 04/01/2023 10:25:50
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Replying To Yellow: "I think two players can step up into the backs this year and secure staring places for themselves in defence - Cian Molloy
and AJ Redmond. I feel that Kyle Scallan is also at their standard too.
With that in mind I would put Paudie Foley at number 11 ( I'm still hopeful he will be with us this year and a change might suit him a bit like Kyle Hayes last year - remember he played wing forward U21)
New team would look like this come championship;
Fanning
Donohue Ryan AJ Redmond/ S Reck
C Molloy D Reck Hanlon/ Scallan
O Keefe K Foley
O Foley P Foley J O Connor
R O Connor Mac Chin
Hope to see a lot of new faces in the Walsh Cup and league eg Richie Lawlor, Jack Redmond, Cian And Cillian Byrne, Kyle Firman and Joe Barrett togging out and getting meaningful game time" Was told on Paudie he's unavailable for the year as things stand but that's not 100% set in stone.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 04/01/2023 10:59:24
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Replying To beano: "Anyone else find it ironic that there is such a clamour to watch hurling under the lights in the Park, but if you are to believe experts within, hurling simply cannot be played under floodlights for the local championship?" Don't think this is the reason for the wexford split season, it just suits alot of clubs having hurling 1st, if football was 1st alot of clubs would train for hurling through the football championship. I'd prefer alternate weekends myself but players and clubs don't and suppose there the most important stakeholders.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 04/01/2023 11:05:31
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Joe O Connor is back too.
With those options I can't see Donohoe starting.
Also Lawlor will be in the goal.
Still no sign of mogies announcement.
Hopefully he's had a change of heart" Think Mogie might be back for 1 more year. Not sure if ROC will be though. He's still getting bother with the knee.
Hopefully Carthy will make it into the halfback line. Cian Molloy a good option too if he's in the panel? Scallan maybe a bit light yet. Damien Reck and MOH must be certs if they play as well as last year. We need good defensive options to bring on though especially after the way we lost to Clare when the 2 Recks were carrying injuries. Joe O Connor might provide some cover across the back 6. Hopefully he's bulked up a bit in his year off. Apparently Clarke is going well in training too.
Donohue was our most improved player as the championship went on. I don't think anyone else will force their way into the starting fullback line of Shane Reck, Liam Ryan and Donohue although AJ must be the closest of last year's u20 backs. Be good to see Niall Murphy get a good run also. Conor Devitt did well there also but can play further out the field. Might be a long term option at midfield.
Hopefully Kevin Foley is in better form this year. Be nice to see Conor Foley get a run in January at midfield. And maybe Devitt.
I think we should give Flood a good run at wing forward. And maybe get a good look at Tucker Kinsella at centre forward in the Walsh Cup. Mikey Dwyer and Charlie Mcguckin could do with more gametime also. Maybe play Dwyer and Dunbar inside during the League.
So Walsh Cup/League-
GK-Lawlor
FBL- AJ/S Reck, Joe OC/Ryan/ N Murphy, Donohue/Devitt
HBL- Carthy/Molloy, D Reck/Clarke, Scallan/MOH
MF- Conor Foley/Kevin Foley, Mcguckin/Barrett
HFL- Flood/Lawlor, Jacko/Tucker, O Foley/Billy Dunne
FFL- K Firman/Dunbar/Banville/Pepper, Mac/J Redmond/Byrne-Dunbar, Dwyer/Higgins/Casey/Byrne
Then filter Mogie, DOK, Chin, Fanning back in in the latter stages of the League. And pray to God Rory can make it back for then too. And if Paudie Foley comes home in time then him also.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12212 - 04/01/2023 11:41:54
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