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Wexford Hurling Championship 2022

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Replying To Onfor15:  "Hold on a second. I did not say the top 8 were WELL clear of the rest.

You asked me to name my top 8 teams in a hypothetical 8 team senior championship and I did. Then you challenged my logic and then I explained my logic.

On the intermediate issue, Fethard will hardly be able to keep the Oulart lads warm. If they meet, I'd expect Oulart to win by 15-20 points at least.

When compared with last year, Fethard have a far weaker team.

What is your top 8 as a matter of interest?"
How come Oulart only beat the Alley by a point today? Has to be said Fethard looked very good in the bit of their game I saw today. Some Gusserane lads I was sitting next to said they could have won by more.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14235 - 17/07/2022 20:02:35    2432564

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What is the tie breaker with teams level on points, head to head or score differential?

murrax (Wexford) - Posts: 90 - 17/07/2022 21:09:39    2432583

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What a strange weekend of hurling!

Oylegate must be the most puzzling team in the Championship. So far, we have seen Bad Oylegate versus Ferns, Good Oylegate versus the Shels, Bad Oylegate versus the Martin's, and Good Oylegate versus Rathnure. Who knows which Oylegate side will show up next Sunday!

Crossabeg were very good against Gorey, Paudie Foley was huge in defence for them to the surprise of absolutely no-one, Oisín Foley was good too, but I thought Mark Byrne was their other stand-out player. Very good from frees, scored a lovely side-line, and made a good contribution from general play too. Crossabeg's use of the ball was fantastic, their "lesser" players as such are very clever hurlers, always working the ball to the right man.

Gorey were hugely disappointing, just didn't hurl with the same urgency as Crossabeg. Cian Molloy went off injured before half-time; for the life of me, I don't agree with them starting him in the half-forward line. Yes, they might be a bit short on forwards and a bit deeper in the backs but he was a stand-out talent at centre-back on what was a very promising Wexford U20 team. He's your long-term centre-back, play him there! Would free up Jack Cullen to play at wing-back, not that he's bad in the centre as such but playing him at wing-back would give him an awful lot of freedom.

Shels much deserved their win, they played with a lot more urgency than Ferns. Ross Banville and Joe Kelly did an awful lot of damage from open play. It was level at half-time, with Conor Hearne scoring a goal right before half-time. Yet the Shels should have been well-ahead except for the fact that they conceded three goals right at the wrong times. The third goal is as farcical a goal as you will ever see conceded in Senior Club hurling. Ferns played with a sweeper against the wind in the second half and it worked for a while but when Shels started getting ahead in the second half, Ferns still persisted with the sweeper despite the fact they were struggling to score. Wouldn't write off either Ferns or Gorey just yet, both teams were just a bit flat and came up against teams who were much hungrier for the win.

Finally, there was a great crowd at Bellefield earlier today and it has me thinking that late morning/early afternoon matches aren't such a bad idea in the middle of the summer. Ideal conditions to go to a match plus people then have the whole afternoon free to themselves. Another similar point is that with the All-Ireland Championships being moved forward, club players now have the opportunity for the first time in ages to play Championship matches week-in week-out in ideal conditions in the height of summer.

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 361 - 17/07/2022 21:20:22    2432588

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16 is maybe too many, 14? Its not something getting written in to the constitution here. It can be changed if the standard disimproves.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1267 - 17/07/2022 21:55:19    2432602

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A few unexpected results at the weekend makes for a very interesting final round. Only 1 of the 12 senior teams cannot make the quarter final. It is possible in group B that 5 teams could end up on 6 points. and it is likely that in one or both groups that score difference will decide who gets the last place. All in all I rate that as a good thing for a competitive Championship. As to who will win it - anyones guess.. For me the Rapps are still the team to beat.

fearcliste (Wexford) - Posts: 178 - 18/07/2022 09:03:07    2432618

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "16 is maybe too many, 14? Its not something getting written in to the constitution here. It can be changed if the standard disimproves."
16 would be fine, there seems to be this idea that if a team cops a beating then its bad for some reason! Exposing more players to senior standard hurling in the county can only be a good thing.

14 means 2 groups of 7 and with 2 groups of 6 things are already too tight as things stand

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1435 - 18/07/2022 09:08:04    2432620

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Got to the Anne's v harriers match. Very enjoyable game deservedly won by the town team. Harriers conceded 3 of the poorest goals you'll see in the championship all year which kept the Anne's in the game. Chin scored a point near the end better than anything seen in croke park yesterday which is saying something. Richie Lawlor was the other standout player for the harriers scoring 4 points from play. Mogie was the Anne's best player scoring a couple of goals.
Lots of nervous teams going into the final round with I think gorey the only team into the quarterfinals and the other 5 with all sorts of scenarios facing them. Will make for a very interesting final set of games with scoring difference likely to decide the fate

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 528 - 18/07/2022 09:31:25    2432624

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Replying To murrax:  "What is the tie breaker with teams level on points, head to head or score differential?"
Head to head if only two and score difference if more than the two. Fascinating last round with so many teams that could stay in or out depending on if its two or three on the same points. You could have two teams on level points, one of them go through that wouldn't happen if it was three teams on the same points. So much up in the air for the last round.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1905 - 18/07/2022 09:45:06    2432631

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Replying To murrax:  "What is the tie breaker with teams level on points, head to head or score differential?"
Head to head if 2 teams level. Scoring difference if 3 or more.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14235 - 18/07/2022 11:11:46    2432659

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "16 is maybe too many, 14? Its not something getting written in to the constitution here. It can be changed if the standard disimproves."
14 just an awkward number structurally.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14235 - 18/07/2022 11:13:26    2432661

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Replying To tearintom:  "16 would be fine, there seems to be this idea that if a team cops a beating then its bad for some reason! Exposing more players to senior standard hurling in the county can only be a good thing.

14 means 2 groups of 7 and with 2 groups of 6 things are already too tight as things stand"
Agree 100%

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14235 - 18/07/2022 11:16:43    2432662

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How does it work in terms of score difference now in terms of clubs conceding games?

Disappointing to see games being conceded but clubs are under serious pressure with zero opportunities for players to recover from even minor injuries which inevitably lead to more serious injuries.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1435 - 18/07/2022 11:46:11    2432676

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Replying To tearintom:  "How does it work in terms of score difference now in terms of clubs conceding games?

Disappointing to see games being conceded but clubs are under serious pressure with zero opportunities for players to recover from even minor injuries which inevitably lead to more serious injuries."
Score difference can't be used then.

Unfortunately there is no provision to punish a team for giving a walkover. If a teams score difference is already bad the current system actually incentivizes giving walkovers rather than getting a massive hammering which needs to be addressed asap.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 18/07/2022 12:02:57    2432679

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Replying To tearintom:  "How does it work in terms of score difference now in terms of clubs conceding games?

Disappointing to see games being conceded but clubs are under serious pressure with zero opportunities for players to recover from even minor injuries which inevitably lead to more serious injuries."
In soccer a conceded, abandoned or forfeit game is scored at 3 nil in most competitions. Is there such a mechanism in the GAA?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14235 - 18/07/2022 12:12:31    2432685

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Replying To Onfor15:  "Score difference can't be used then.

Unfortunately there is no provision to punish a team for giving a walkover. If a teams score difference is already bad the current system actually incentivizes giving walkovers rather than getting a massive hammering which needs to be addressed asap."
So potentially a scenario where teams finish level on points but due to one team getting a walkover ye cant use scoring difference it then goes down to head to head and if the head to head game was a draw i wonder what the outcome would be?

TheHogues (Wexford) - Posts: 26 - 18/07/2022 12:51:11    2432695

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Replying To TheHogues:  "So potentially a scenario where teams finish level on points but due to one team getting a walkover ye cant use scoring difference it then goes down to head to head and if the head to head game was a draw i wonder what the outcome would be?"
The team who gave the walkover SHOULD be thrown out if the rules were adequate but I don't think they can be thrown out. I think it would have to be a play off

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 18/07/2022 13:23:57    2432702

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Replying To Viking66:  "In soccer a conceded, abandoned or forfeit game is scored at 3 nil in most competitions. Is there such a mechanism in the GAA?"
No there isn't, but there should be. I know for a fact that Ferns missed out on the league final in football on score difference because they travelled to Horeswood with half a team to fulfill the fixture. Had they conceded a walkover they'd have got through.

The other team should be given a three point win. Even this week, Oulart have pulled put of the u-19 hurling, and after Buffers Alley hammering them, their points difference now counts for nought which isn't fair either.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1460 - 18/07/2022 14:03:38    2432720

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Replying To Viking66:  "Should be over the moon now Wex98!"
100%.

Pressure off now, so it will be interesting to see how we go again the Rapps, hopefully we throw the shackles off.

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 474 - 18/07/2022 14:09:16    2432723

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Replying To Onfor15:  "The team who gave the walkover SHOULD be thrown out if the rules were adequate but I don't think they can be thrown out. I think it would have to be a play off"
Know of an underage game recently where the opposition conceeded the game but came to play a practice match.!! (Points difference not counted underage)

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 474 - 18/07/2022 14:11:22    2432725

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Replying To beano:  "No there isn't, but there should be. I know for a fact that Ferns missed out on the league final in football on score difference because they travelled to Horeswood with half a team to fulfill the fixture. Had they conceded a walkover they'd have got through.

The other team should be given a three point win. Even this week, Oulart have pulled put of the u-19 hurling, and after Buffers Alley hammering them, their points difference now counts for nought which isn't fair either."
Is a 3 point win enough? A 3 nil win in soccer is a fairly strong result. Maybe the conceding team should be awarded a 3 goal defeat?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14235 - 18/07/2022 15:08:58    2432746

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