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Replying To Viking66:  "That's the most interesting suggestion so far. It would give a good break between intercounty League and Championship and therefore make the League more meaningful again also. Maybe start the League a little earlier and finish by March. Then club championships finishing by June. Either alternating football then hurling or alternating every couple of weeks. Then intercounty Championship July- September. Play the club leagues while the intercounty championship is on and lads can go on holiday etc. If they want.
Only downside for us as a county is that it will hurt our intercounty teams' chances of success as our players, most of whom are dual at club level, will be playing both hurling and football in the run in to the intercounty championship instead of just the one they play intercounty. I think playing football in the run up to the intercounty hurling Championship definitely hurt our hurlers in 2020."
Think you're both forgetting the provincial and All-Ireland club championships?

In the scenario above, you've a window from March to June for club championships. Allow five weeks for provincial and All-Ireland club championships, and every county final in the country would have to be played by the end of May. That gives only about eight weeks to play county championships, and you can't even play midweek games at that time of year at venues that don't have lights.

Even leaving aside the provincial and All-Ireland club championships, you've only got about 13 weeks between end of March and end of June, and our current system of two groups of six takes 16 rounds of games.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1200 - 20/07/2022 16:14:25    2433190

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Few club players have family commitments? I'd love know some of those clubs."
Probably around 1 in 3 lads who play for their clubs 1st team have kids in my circle of friends. And the rest all have girlfriends which can involve more time than having kids!! Most of the lads who play in their clubs 2nd teams have kids.
Must be different up Gorey way.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 20/07/2022 16:26:19    2433194

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Think you're both forgetting the provincial and All-Ireland club championships?

In the scenario above, you've a window from March to June for club championships. Allow five weeks for provincial and All-Ireland club championships, and every county final in the country would have to be played by the end of May. That gives only about eight weeks to play county championships, and you can't even play midweek games at that time of year at venues that don't have lights.

Even leaving aside the provincial and All-Ireland club championships, you've only got about 13 weeks between end of March and end of June, and our current system of two groups of six takes 16 rounds of games."
No I wasn't forgetting the provincial and all ireland club championships. I assumed people would know by my not mentioning them being moved that they would happen at the same time they do now. October onwards. I've said this before and I'll say it again I think there should be 4 groups of 4 for the club championships. Also if we start the intercounty League at the start of January no reason why it can't be wrapped up before the end of March. So there might be 14 weeks to run off the club championships. And no reason why there couldn't be midweek games also in May and June, 2 of the months with the longest days of the year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 20/07/2022 16:33:18    2433198

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Few club players have family commitments? I'd love know some of those clubs."
Are you saying you think the bulk of 20-30 year old men are tied in to holidaying in June/July/August?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 440 - 20/07/2022 16:33:28    2433199

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Replying To Viking66:  "No I wasn't forgetting the provincial and all ireland club championships. I assumed people would know by my not mentioning them being moved that they would happen at the same time they do now. October onwards. I've said this before and I'll say it again I think there should be 4 groups of 4 for the club championships. Also if we start the intercounty League at the start of January no reason why it can't be wrapped up before the end of March. So there might be 14 weeks to run off the club championships. And no reason why there couldn't be midweek games also in May and June, 2 of the months with the longest days of the year."
Would certainly be an interesting situation to have county finals played by end of June, but then no provincial club championships starting until middle or end of October. Then again, I suppose anything is possible.

As for the other point - May & June okay for midweek games all right, but not March & April, which is when the group stages of the championship would be. So again, would be interesting to see how people might feel about a situation where you could have a final round group game on a Sunday, a quarter-final on the following Wednesday, and the semi-final the next Sunday.

Whether or not four groups of four would make a better championship has been done to death here already. Proper place for it to be discussed is at Co. Board later in the year when clubs can make proposals on how to run the championships. Maybe see if your own club would put it in to be considered?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1200 - 20/07/2022 17:08:34    2433218

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Would certainly be an interesting situation to have county finals played by end of June, but then no provincial club championships starting until middle or end of October. Then again, I suppose anything is possible.

As for the other point - May & June okay for midweek games all right, but not March & April, which is when the group stages of the championship would be. So again, would be interesting to see how people might feel about a situation where you could have a final round group game on a Sunday, a quarter-final on the following Wednesday, and the semi-final the next Sunday.

Whether or not four groups of four would make a better championship has been done to death here already. Proper place for it to be discussed is at Co. Board later in the year when clubs can make proposals on how to run the championships. Maybe see if your own club would put it in to be considered?"
Most of us that I've talked to slightly prefer 2 groups of 6. More games! Although some thought 4 groups of 4 would help our players develop as we would be one of the clubs who would maybe make up, or at least push hard to make up, 1 of the 4 extra senior clubs at hurling and football over the next few years. None have a particularly strong view on it and tbh while I'd prefer 4 groups of 4 I don't really mind 2 groups of 6 either. I wouldn't be into 4 groups of 3 at all though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 20/07/2022 17:20:55    2433222

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Replying To Viking66:  "Probably around 1 in 3 lads who play for their clubs 1st team have kids in my circle of friends. And the rest all have girlfriends which can involve more time than having kids!! Most of the lads who play in their clubs 2nd teams have kids.
Must be different up Gorey way."
100% agree, same in our club along with thankfully a good few lads doing their leaving etc. a good few also involved in teaching in some description be it themselves or their partners.

Not sure where these other clubs are to be honest with these out there demographics!

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1044 - 20/07/2022 18:15:24    2433238

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Are you saying you think the bulk of 20-30 year old men are tied in to holidaying in June/July/August?"
Not sure what club you're involved with or maybe your involved in the u-20 team but id say 1/3 of senior hurlers in senior hurling clubs will have some form of commitment with family/children. Probably more id say. As I said, I'd love see a club pointed out that doesnt.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 278 - 20/07/2022 18:38:15    2433241

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My look ahead to this weekend's lottery....sorry group stage conclusion. I'll split it into two groups, so it reveals my quarter-final permutations.

Group A:

Cloughbawn-Faythe Harriers: huge win for both sides at the weekend, although it may prove too little too late for the latter. Harry Kehoe is quietly plodding away for Cloughbawn, with Paddy Whitty hitting an excellent 0-5 from play the last day after showing flashes in earlier games. I had ear-marked the potential of Lawlor, Murphy and Chinners all firing prior to the Anne's game, and they hit 12 points from play between them after. Despite having the second-best "against" column in the group, they have the worst score difference at -10, and that might cripple them yet. I still think they have one more big performance in them (and I am not sure if Cloughbawn have anyone to contain Chin especially), and think the Harriers will win by three points.

Crossabeg-Glynn: local derby this, with Crossabeg surely come in full of confidence after their stirring victory over Naomh Eanna. Glynn only scored 1-3 from play the last day, are over-reliant on Leacy making things happen, and if White is kept quiet, they don't really have too much dynamism up top. Ballymurn have kept it tight in most games (eight point loss to Cloughbawn aside), and boasting the best concession rate in a competitive group is commendable. Difficult game to call, and I'd say there'll be a decent crowd in Tagoat to witness it. Going to plump for Crossabeg to just shade it by two points.

Naomh Eanna-St.Anne's: while Naomh Eanna are through, they won't want to slip up again after their worst display of the season. Mac has been fairly subdued in the last two games after hitting a brace of goals in each of the first two, and it remains to be seen the extent of the injuries to Patsy Molloy, Doran and Twamley. In contrast, Mogie has been electric for St.Anne's, and you'd always fancy them to find a win when they need it. I don't know if Gorey have the depth chart to cope with injuries, and a draw might actually suit both parties. Draw

So that would leave the group as:

Gorey 7 pts
Crossabeg 6 pts
St.Anne's 5 pts
Cloughbawn 4 pts (-4 SD)
Harriers 4 pts (-7 SD)
Glynn 4 pts (-9 SD)

Group B

Ferns vs. St.Martin's: after an excellent start to the campaign, Ferns could be in a spot of bother depending on results elsewhere. They have shown a good knack of firing goals, with Doyle hitting two the last day, Byrne-Dunbar on fire vs Rathnure, and Ian Byrne and Bitzy crucial vs. Rapps. St.Martin's are too inconsistent to predict so far, and currently have the worst score difference of those in the top four in the group before the weekend. I am pretty sure it's a repeat of a thriller last year, and I expect it to be a ding-dong game. Perhaps the hardest game of the weekend to call- just going to plump for Ferns to nick it by two points, probably due to their greater spread of forwards.

Rathnure-Shelmaliers: it's sad to see Rathnure in such bother in the centenary year of the birth of their greatest player. Crucial win for Shels last week, and they were closer to the form they are capable of than in any of their previous games. The return of Banville can't be under-stated, while 0-5 from Donohoe is an excellent contribution. I genuinely think AJ Redmond has been one of the stand-out players of the championship to date even in a losing team, and I'd be drafting him in to the county set-up. I'd expect Rathnure to fight like devils to retain their lengthy senior status in the relegation final, but predict Shels to win here by four points.

Rapparees- Oylegate: again, a huge win for Oylegate vs Rathnure, and they'll be fired up at the sight of the Rapps jersey. Rapps are purring again after that set-back vs Ferns, and are arguably the form-team of the championship now. Oylegate have nothing to lose but their -8 score difference means they will need an unlikely sequence of results to unfold if they are to sneak into the last-eight. Rapps to win by five points.

Ferns 8 pts (head-to-head over Rapps)
Rapps 8 pts
Shels 6 pts
Martin's 4 pts (Qualify on the head-to-head over Oylegate)
Oylegate 4 pts
Rathnure 0 pts

Quarter-final pairings would then read: St.Martin's vs Naomh Eanna; Shels vs. Crossabeg, Rapps vs. St.Anne's; Ferns vs. Cloughbawn.

If the above materialises (even the final standings), I will eat my hat, and buy a euromillions ticket afterwards. One thing is for sure, there will be at least one draw somewhere, and I wouldn't like to be the fella getting out the calculator Sunday night.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1261 - 21/07/2022 11:20:01    2433310

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Would certainly be an interesting situation to have county finals played by end of June, but then no provincial club championships starting until middle or end of October. Then again, I suppose anything is possible.

As for the other point - May & June okay for midweek games all right, but not March & April, which is when the group stages of the championship would be. So again, would be interesting to see how people might feel about a situation where you could have a final round group game on a Sunday, a quarter-final on the following Wednesday, and the semi-final the next Sunday.

Whether or not four groups of four would make a better championship has been done to death here already. Proper place for it to be discussed is at Co. Board later in the year when clubs can make proposals on how to run the championships. Maybe see if your own club would put it in to be considered?"
No matter what format there is the summer cannot be left free of the potential for playing GAA, that has to be out of bounds. If in the old days, while the lads may not have known when they were playing, they knew they would be playing so everyone was training and engaged. Too many people talking about the negatives of the current structure - the only thing I would change is to make it alternate weeks like in the past. You have the boys on the TV thinking that the intercounty scene drives what happens at the club level, how many kids do they think really start out in the GAA and turn up for training because of what the see on TV? Do kids from non competing counties sit in on a Sunday afternoon and watch other counties play? In the past it was students were heading off to the US as the games didn't start until September so nothing to keep them here, now its lads need to go on holidays, there are a lot of lads who never go away for holidays but want to play games all summer. At the end of the day, there is no perfect solution, players train all year to play as many games as possible in the championship and summer time is the best time for that. That might inconvenience some but for club GAA its the best solution.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1502 - 21/07/2022 11:32:49    2433315

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Replying To beano:  "My look ahead to this weekend's lottery....sorry group stage conclusion. I'll split it into two groups, so it reveals my quarter-final permutations.

Group A:

Cloughbawn-Faythe Harriers: huge win for both sides at the weekend, although it may prove too little too late for the latter. Harry Kehoe is quietly plodding away for Cloughbawn, with Paddy Whitty hitting an excellent 0-5 from play the last day after showing flashes in earlier games. I had ear-marked the potential of Lawlor, Murphy and Chinners all firing prior to the Anne's game, and they hit 12 points from play between them after. Despite having the second-best "against" column in the group, they have the worst score difference at -10, and that might cripple them yet. I still think they have one more big performance in them (and I am not sure if Cloughbawn have anyone to contain Chin especially), and think the Harriers will win by three points.

Crossabeg-Glynn: local derby this, with Crossabeg surely come in full of confidence after their stirring victory over Naomh Eanna. Glynn only scored 1-3 from play the last day, are over-reliant on Leacy making things happen, and if White is kept quiet, they don't really have too much dynamism up top. Ballymurn have kept it tight in most games (eight point loss to Cloughbawn aside), and boasting the best concession rate in a competitive group is commendable. Difficult game to call, and I'd say there'll be a decent crowd in Tagoat to witness it. Going to plump for Crossabeg to just shade it by two points.

Naomh Eanna-St.Anne's: while Naomh Eanna are through, they won't want to slip up again after their worst display of the season. Mac has been fairly subdued in the last two games after hitting a brace of goals in each of the first two, and it remains to be seen the extent of the injuries to Patsy Molloy, Doran and Twamley. In contrast, Mogie has been electric for St.Anne's, and you'd always fancy them to find a win when they need it. I don't know if Gorey have the depth chart to cope with injuries, and a draw might actually suit both parties. Draw

So that would leave the group as:

Gorey 7 pts
Crossabeg 6 pts
St.Anne's 5 pts
Cloughbawn 4 pts (-4 SD)
Harriers 4 pts (-7 SD)
Glynn 4 pts (-9 SD)

Group B

Ferns vs. St.Martin's: after an excellent start to the campaign, Ferns could be in a spot of bother depending on results elsewhere. They have shown a good knack of firing goals, with Doyle hitting two the last day, Byrne-Dunbar on fire vs Rathnure, and Ian Byrne and Bitzy crucial vs. Rapps. St.Martin's are too inconsistent to predict so far, and currently have the worst score difference of those in the top four in the group before the weekend. I am pretty sure it's a repeat of a thriller last year, and I expect it to be a ding-dong game. Perhaps the hardest game of the weekend to call- just going to plump for Ferns to nick it by two points, probably due to their greater spread of forwards.

Rathnure-Shelmaliers: it's sad to see Rathnure in such bother in the centenary year of the birth of their greatest player. Crucial win for Shels last week, and they were closer to the form they are capable of than in any of their previous games. The return of Banville can't be under-stated, while 0-5 from Donohoe is an excellent contribution. I genuinely think AJ Redmond has been one of the stand-out players of the championship to date even in a losing team, and I'd be drafting him in to the county set-up. I'd expect Rathnure to fight like devils to retain their lengthy senior status in the relegation final, but predict Shels to win here by four points.

Rapparees- Oylegate: again, a huge win for Oylegate vs Rathnure, and they'll be fired up at the sight of the Rapps jersey. Rapps are purring again after that set-back vs Ferns, and are arguably the form-team of the championship now. Oylegate have nothing to lose but their -8 score difference means they will need an unlikely sequence of results to unfold if they are to sneak into the last-eight. Rapps to win by five points.

Ferns 8 pts (head-to-head over Rapps)
Rapps 8 pts
Shels 6 pts
Martin's 4 pts (Qualify on the head-to-head over Oylegate)
Oylegate 4 pts
Rathnure 0 pts

Quarter-final pairings would then read: St.Martin's vs Naomh Eanna; Shels vs. Crossabeg, Rapps vs. St.Anne's; Ferns vs. Cloughbawn.

If the above materialises (even the final standings), I will eat my hat, and buy a euromillions ticket afterwards. One thing is for sure, there will be at least one draw somewhere, and I wouldn't like to be the fella getting out the calculator Sunday night."
It's all unbelievably tight Beano!
I'll follow up last week's clean sweep of wrong predictions (what are the odds of predicting every result wrong?!!!) with the following-
Harriers
Glynn
Anne's
Ferns
Rapps
Shels

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 21/07/2022 11:48:00    2433320

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And Intermediate-
Gusserane
Bunclody
Fethard
Taghmon
St James
Oulart

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 21/07/2022 11:49:44    2433324

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Intermediate:

Group A:

Fethard-Askamore: Could be a great game on paper. Fethard put up a serious score against their rivals last week, and Askamore have improved their scoring game-on-game as the championship progressed. Tucker vs Eoin Whelan at the weekend should be a good contest. Fethard by 3.

Tara Rocks-Bunclody: Tara Rocks can't progress, and looking ahead to the football championship, are the only senior football side that are definitely out of the hurling already (Harriers' Sars contingent and Glynn could yet join them). Bunclody have Nolan back and are going well. Bunclody to win by 5.

Gusserane- Adamstown: woeful campaign to date for Adamstown, and don't foresee it getting any easier against a side reeling from a heavy defeat to their rivals. Amazingly, Gusserane have the second-worst defence in the group, behind only Tara Rocks, while Adamstown's concession rate isn't too bad all things considered. Still, all form-lines point to a rudimentary Gusserane win, by 6 points.

Bunclody 8 pts (head-to-head over Fethard)
Fethard 8 pts
Askamore 6 pts
Gusserane 6 pts

Group B

Taghmon-Buffers Alley: must-win game for the Alley to stave off relegation worries. Taghmon, aside from their thrashing by Oulart, have been steady if unspectacular, although have hit eight goals in their last two games. Buffers Alley ran Oulart very close the last day (even if their need was far greater), and I think they will battle to a 2 point win.

Oulart-Blackwater: significant win for Blackwater last week as it gives them some semblance of breathing room ahead of an expected loss to the favourites. Their -1 score differential far exceeds both Jimmies and Ballygarrett, so by all intents and purposes they are safe for another year regardless. Oulart win by 8 points.

St.James-Ballygarrett: Ballygarrett have been pretty woeful so far, while James' have stagnated themselves as well after a few years of contention. James' are the only team without the head-to-head record vs the Alley so they are in "critical win" territory, and I think they will dog out a tight two-point win here.

Oulart 10 pts
Taghmon 6 pts
Buffers Alley 4 pts (+6 SD)
Blackwater 4 pts (-9 SD)
St.James 4 pts (-18 SD)
Ballygarrett 2 pts

Quarter-finals: Blackwater vs Bunclody; Fethard vs Buffers Alley; Taghmon vs Askamore; Oulart vs Gusserane.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1261 - 21/07/2022 12:09:36    2433331

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Replying To beano:  "Intermediate:

Group A:

Fethard-Askamore: Could be a great game on paper. Fethard put up a serious score against their rivals last week, and Askamore have improved their scoring game-on-game as the championship progressed. Tucker vs Eoin Whelan at the weekend should be a good contest. Fethard by 3.

Tara Rocks-Bunclody: Tara Rocks can't progress, and looking ahead to the football championship, are the only senior football side that are definitely out of the hurling already (Harriers' Sars contingent and Glynn could yet join them). Bunclody have Nolan back and are going well. Bunclody to win by 5.

Gusserane- Adamstown: woeful campaign to date for Adamstown, and don't foresee it getting any easier against a side reeling from a heavy defeat to their rivals. Amazingly, Gusserane have the second-worst defence in the group, behind only Tara Rocks, while Adamstown's concession rate isn't too bad all things considered. Still, all form-lines point to a rudimentary Gusserane win, by 6 points.

Bunclody 8 pts (head-to-head over Fethard)
Fethard 8 pts
Askamore 6 pts
Gusserane 6 pts

Group B

Taghmon-Buffers Alley: must-win game for the Alley to stave off relegation worries. Taghmon, aside from their thrashing by Oulart, have been steady if unspectacular, although have hit eight goals in their last two games. Buffers Alley ran Oulart very close the last day (even if their need was far greater), and I think they will battle to a 2 point win.

Oulart-Blackwater: significant win for Blackwater last week as it gives them some semblance of breathing room ahead of an expected loss to the favourites. Their -1 score differential far exceeds both Jimmies and Ballygarrett, so by all intents and purposes they are safe for another year regardless. Oulart win by 8 points.

St.James-Ballygarrett: Ballygarrett have been pretty woeful so far, while James' have stagnated themselves as well after a few years of contention. James' are the only team without the head-to-head record vs the Alley so they are in "critical win" territory, and I think they will dog out a tight two-point win here.

Oulart 10 pts
Taghmon 6 pts
Buffers Alley 4 pts (+6 SD)
Blackwater 4 pts (-9 SD)
St.James 4 pts (-18 SD)
Ballygarrett 2 pts

Quarter-finals: Blackwater vs Bunclody; Fethard vs Buffers Alley; Taghmon vs Askamore; Oulart vs Gusserane."
So if Taghmon beat the Alley the Alley need St James to lose to Ballygarrett or they will be in the relegation game? That's going to make the game in Wexford Park fairly spicy as I don't see Ballygarrett beating the Jimmy's from what I've seen of both this year. Problem for the Jimmy's and Ballygarrett is that Taghmon are guaranteed 2nd place already. Can't finish 1st or 3rd. At the same time there is good competition for places in the Taghmon team this year and meeting the Alley in the Park would be a game any club hurler would rise their game for!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 21/07/2022 15:41:56    2433411

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To beano:  "Intermediate:

Group A:

Fethard-Askamore: Could be a great game on paper. Fethard put up a serious score against their rivals last week, and Askamore have improved their scoring game-on-game as the championship progressed. Tucker vs Eoin Whelan at the weekend should be a good contest. Fethard by 3.

Tara Rocks-Bunclody: Tara Rocks can't progress, and looking ahead to the football championship, are the only senior football side that are definitely out of the hurling already (Harriers' Sars contingent and Glynn could yet join them). Bunclody have Nolan back and are going well. Bunclody to win by 5.

Gusserane- Adamstown: woeful campaign to date for Adamstown, and don't foresee it getting any easier against a side reeling from a heavy defeat to their rivals. Amazingly, Gusserane have the second-worst defence in the group, behind only Tara Rocks, while Adamstown's concession rate isn't too bad all things considered. Still, all form-lines point to a rudimentary Gusserane win, by 6 points.

Bunclody 8 pts (head-to-head over Fethard)
Fethard 8 pts
Askamore 6 pts
Gusserane 6 pts

Group B

Taghmon-Buffers Alley: must-win game for the Alley to stave off relegation worries. Taghmon, aside from their thrashing by Oulart, have been steady if unspectacular, although have hit eight goals in their last two games. Buffers Alley ran Oulart very close the last day (even if their need was far greater), and I think they will battle to a 2 point win.

Oulart-Blackwater: significant win for Blackwater last week as it gives them some semblance of breathing room ahead of an expected loss to the favourites. Their -1 score differential far exceeds both Jimmies and Ballygarrett, so by all intents and purposes they are safe for another year regardless. Oulart win by 8 points.

St.James-Ballygarrett: Ballygarrett have been pretty woeful so far, while James' have stagnated themselves as well after a few years of contention. James' are the only team without the head-to-head record vs the Alley so they are in "critical win" territory, and I think they will dog out a tight two-point win here.

Oulart 10 pts
Taghmon 6 pts
Buffers Alley 4 pts (+6 SD)
Blackwater 4 pts (-9 SD)
St.James 4 pts (-18 SD)
Ballygarrett 2 pts

Quarter-finals: Blackwater vs Bunclody; Fethard vs Buffers Alley; Taghmon vs Askamore; Oulart vs Gusserane."
So if Taghmon beat the Alley the Alley need St James to lose to Ballygarrett or they will be in the relegation game? That's going to make the game in Wexford Park fairly spicy as I don't see Ballygarrett beating the Jimmy's from what I've seen of both this year. Problem for the Jimmy's and Ballygarrett is that Taghmon are guaranteed 2nd place already. Can't finish 1st or 3rd. At the same time there is good competition for places in the Taghmon team this year and meeting the Alley in the Park would be a game any club hurler would rise their game for!"
From what I know, no club takes it easy vs Buffers Alley? Its a bit like when a club plays Man United or Liverpool, or more accurately in the case of Buffers Alley, Notts Forest.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 440 - 22/07/2022 10:55:27    2433495

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=beano:  "Intermediate:

Group A:

Fethard-Askamore: Could be a great game on paper. Fethard put up a serious score against their rivals last week, and Askamore have improved their scoring game-on-game as the championship progressed. Tucker vs Eoin Whelan at the weekend should be a good contest. Fethard by 3.

Tara Rocks-Bunclody: Tara Rocks can't progress, and looking ahead to the football championship, are the only senior football side that are definitely out of the hurling already (Harriers' Sars contingent and Glynn could yet join them). Bunclody have Nolan back and are going well. Bunclody to win by 5.

Gusserane- Adamstown: woeful campaign to date for Adamstown, and don't foresee it getting any easier against a side reeling from a heavy defeat to their rivals. Amazingly, Gusserane have the second-worst defence in the group, behind only Tara Rocks, while Adamstown's concession rate isn't too bad all things considered. Still, all form-lines point to a rudimentary Gusserane win, by 6 points.

Bunclody 8 pts (head-to-head over Fethard)
Fethard 8 pts
Askamore 6 pts
Gusserane 6 pts

Group B

Taghmon-Buffers Alley: must-win game for the Alley to stave off relegation worries. Taghmon, aside from their thrashing by Oulart, have been steady if unspectacular, although have hit eight goals in their last two games. Buffers Alley ran Oulart very close the last day (even if their need was far greater), and I think they will battle to a 2 point win.

Oulart-Blackwater: significant win for Blackwater last week as it gives them some semblance of breathing room ahead of an expected loss to the favourites. Their -1 score differential far exceeds both Jimmies and Ballygarrett, so by all intents and purposes they are safe for another year regardless. Oulart win by 8 points.

St.James-Ballygarrett: Ballygarrett have been pretty woeful so far, while James' have stagnated themselves as well after a few years of contention. James' are the only team without the head-to-head record vs the Alley so they are in "critical win" territory, and I think they will dog out a tight two-point win here.

Oulart 10 pts
Taghmon 6 pts
Buffers Alley 4 pts (+6 SD)
Blackwater 4 pts (-9 SD)
St.James 4 pts (-18 SD)
Ballygarrett 2 pts

Quarter-finals: Blackwater vs Bunclody; Fethard vs Buffers Alley; Taghmon vs Askamore; Oulart vs Gusserane."
So if Taghmon beat the Alley the Alley need St James to lose to Ballygarrett or they will be in the relegation game? That's going to make the game in Wexford Park fairly spicy as I don't see Ballygarrett beating the Jimmy's from what I've seen of both this year. Problem for the Jimmy's and Ballygarrett is that Taghmon are guaranteed 2nd place already. Can't finish 1st or 3rd. At the same time there is good competition for places in the Taghmon team this year and meeting the Alley in the Park would be a game any club hurler would rise their game for!"
From what I know, no club takes it easy vs Buffers Alley? Its a bit like when a club plays Man United or Liverpool, or more accurately in the case of Buffers Alley, Notts Forest."]Think the Alley were relatively more successful than Forest. Only club in Wexford to ever win the big 1!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 22/07/2022 11:52:11    2433511

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Replying To beano:  "Intermediate:

Group A:

Fethard-Askamore: Could be a great game on paper. Fethard put up a serious score against their rivals last week, and Askamore have improved their scoring game-on-game as the championship progressed. Tucker vs Eoin Whelan at the weekend should be a good contest. Fethard by 3.

Tara Rocks-Bunclody: Tara Rocks can't progress, and looking ahead to the football championship, are the only senior football side that are definitely out of the hurling already (Harriers' Sars contingent and Glynn could yet join them). Bunclody have Nolan back and are going well. Bunclody to win by 5.

Gusserane- Adamstown: woeful campaign to date for Adamstown, and don't foresee it getting any easier against a side reeling from a heavy defeat to their rivals. Amazingly, Gusserane have the second-worst defence in the group, behind only Tara Rocks, while Adamstown's concession rate isn't too bad all things considered. Still, all form-lines point to a rudimentary Gusserane win, by 6 points.

Bunclody 8 pts (head-to-head over Fethard)
Fethard 8 pts
Askamore 6 pts
Gusserane 6 pts

Group B

Taghmon-Buffers Alley: must-win game for the Alley to stave off relegation worries. Taghmon, aside from their thrashing by Oulart, have been steady if unspectacular, although have hit eight goals in their last two games. Buffers Alley ran Oulart very close the last day (even if their need was far greater), and I think they will battle to a 2 point win.

Oulart-Blackwater: significant win for Blackwater last week as it gives them some semblance of breathing room ahead of an expected loss to the favourites. Their -1 score differential far exceeds both Jimmies and Ballygarrett, so by all intents and purposes they are safe for another year regardless. Oulart win by 8 points.

St.James-Ballygarrett: Ballygarrett have been pretty woeful so far, while James' have stagnated themselves as well after a few years of contention. James' are the only team without the head-to-head record vs the Alley so they are in "critical win" territory, and I think they will dog out a tight two-point win here.

Oulart 10 pts
Taghmon 6 pts
Buffers Alley 4 pts (+6 SD)
Blackwater 4 pts (-9 SD)
St.James 4 pts (-18 SD)
Ballygarrett 2 pts

Quarter-finals: Blackwater vs Bunclody; Fethard vs Buffers Alley; Taghmon vs Askamore; Oulart vs Gusserane."
So if Taghmon beat the Alley the Alley need St James to lose to Ballygarrett or they will be in the relegation game? That's going to make the game in Wexford Park fairly spicy as I don't see Ballygarrett beating the Jimmy's from what I've seen of both this year. Problem for the Jimmy's and Ballygarrett is that Taghmon are guaranteed 2nd place already. Can't finish 1st or 3rd. At the same time there is good competition for places in the Taghmon team this year and meeting the Alley in the Park would be a game any club hurler would rise their game for!"
Yes because as things stand, among the teams currently on two points, the Alley have the losing head-to-head record vs. Ballygarrett (and Blackwater on four points), but their sole win came vs. Jimmies. So in the event of a loss, they will be screwed unless James' lose as well.

It would represent quite a seachange in Wexford hurling if the Alley get to a relegation final in the same year Rathnure get to the senior one (whatever about either of them going down ultimately).

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1261 - 22/07/2022 11:57:03    2433514

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Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=beano:  "Intermediate:

Group A:

Fethard-Askamore: Could be a great game on paper. Fethard put up a serious score against their rivals last week, and Askamore have improved their scoring game-on-game as the championship progressed. Tucker vs Eoin Whelan at the weekend should be a good contest. Fethard by 3.

Tara Rocks-Bunclody: Tara Rocks can't progress, and looking ahead to the football championship, are the only senior football side that are definitely out of the hurling already (Harriers' Sars contingent and Glynn could yet join them). Bunclody have Nolan back and are going well. Bunclody to win by 5.

Gusserane- Adamstown: woeful campaign to date for Adamstown, and don't foresee it getting any easier against a side reeling from a heavy defeat to their rivals. Amazingly, Gusserane have the second-worst defence in the group, behind only Tara Rocks, while Adamstown's concession rate isn't too bad all things considered. Still, all form-lines point to a rudimentary Gusserane win, by 6 points.

Bunclody 8 pts (head-to-head over Fethard)
Fethard 8 pts
Askamore 6 pts
Gusserane 6 pts

Group B

Taghmon-Buffers Alley: must-win game for the Alley to stave off relegation worries. Taghmon, aside from their thrashing by Oulart, have been steady if unspectacular, although have hit eight goals in their last two games. Buffers Alley ran Oulart very close the last day (even if their need was far greater), and I think they will battle to a 2 point win.

Oulart-Blackwater: significant win for Blackwater last week as it gives them some semblance of breathing room ahead of an expected loss to the favourites. Their -1 score differential far exceeds both Jimmies and Ballygarrett, so by all intents and purposes they are safe for another year regardless. Oulart win by 8 points.

St.James-Ballygarrett: Ballygarrett have been pretty woeful so far, while James' have stagnated themselves as well after a few years of contention. James' are the only team without the head-to-head record vs the Alley so they are in "critical win" territory, and I think they will dog out a tight two-point win here.

Oulart 10 pts
Taghmon 6 pts
Buffers Alley 4 pts (+6 SD)
Blackwater 4 pts (-9 SD)
St.James 4 pts (-18 SD)
Ballygarrett 2 pts

Quarter-finals: Blackwater vs Bunclody; Fethard vs Buffers Alley; Taghmon vs Askamore; Oulart vs Gusserane."
So if Taghmon beat the Alley the Alley need St James to lose to Ballygarrett or they will be in the relegation game? That's going to make the game in Wexford Park fairly spicy as I don't see Ballygarrett beating the Jimmy's from what I've seen of both this year. Problem for the Jimmy's and Ballygarrett is that Taghmon are guaranteed 2nd place already. Can't finish 1st or 3rd. At the same time there is good competition for places in the Taghmon team this year and meeting the Alley in the Park would be a game any club hurler would rise their game for!"
Yes because as things stand, among the teams currently on two points, the Alley have the losing head-to-head record vs. Ballygarrett (and Blackwater on four points), but their sole win came vs. Jimmies. So in the event of a loss, they will be screwed unless James' lose as well.

It would represent quite a seachange in Wexford hurling if the Alley get to a relegation final in the same year Rathnure get to the senior one (whatever about either of them going down ultimately)."]Tbh I'd be more worried about Rathnure in their relegation final Beano. If the Alley do end up in it they will be facing Adamstown who were poor all year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 22/07/2022 15:22:02    2433563

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=beano:  "Intermediate:

Group A:

Fethard-Askamore: Could be a great game on paper. Fethard put up a serious score against their rivals last week, and Askamore have improved their scoring game-on-game as the championship progressed. Tucker vs Eoin Whelan at the weekend should be a good contest. Fethard by 3.

Tara Rocks-Bunclody: Tara Rocks can't progress, and looking ahead to the football championship, are the only senior football side that are definitely out of the hurling already (Harriers' Sars contingent and Glynn could yet join them). Bunclody have Nolan back and are going well. Bunclody to win by 5.

Gusserane- Adamstown: woeful campaign to date for Adamstown, and don't foresee it getting any easier against a side reeling from a heavy defeat to their rivals. Amazingly, Gusserane have the second-worst defence in the group, behind only Tara Rocks, while Adamstown's concession rate isn't too bad all things considered. Still, all form-lines point to a rudimentary Gusserane win, by 6 points.

Bunclody 8 pts (head-to-head over Fethard)
Fethard 8 pts
Askamore 6 pts
Gusserane 6 pts

Group B

Taghmon-Buffers Alley: must-win game for the Alley to stave off relegation worries. Taghmon, aside from their thrashing by Oulart, have been steady if unspectacular, although have hit eight goals in their last two games. Buffers Alley ran Oulart very close the last day (even if their need was far greater), and I think they will battle to a 2 point win.

Oulart-Blackwater: significant win for Blackwater last week as it gives them some semblance of breathing room ahead of an expected loss to the favourites. Their -1 score differential far exceeds both Jimmies and Ballygarrett, so by all intents and purposes they are safe for another year regardless. Oulart win by 8 points.

St.James-Ballygarrett: Ballygarrett have been pretty woeful so far, while James' have stagnated themselves as well after a few years of contention. James' are the only team without the head-to-head record vs the Alley so they are in "critical win" territory, and I think they will dog out a tight two-point win here.

Oulart 10 pts
Taghmon 6 pts
Buffers Alley 4 pts (+6 SD)
Blackwater 4 pts (-9 SD)
St.James 4 pts (-18 SD)
Ballygarrett 2 pts

Quarter-finals: Blackwater vs Bunclody; Fethard vs Buffers Alley; Taghmon vs Askamore; Oulart vs Gusserane."
So if Taghmon beat the Alley the Alley need St James to lose to Ballygarrett or they will be in the relegation game? That's going to make the game in Wexford Park fairly spicy as I don't see Ballygarrett beating the Jimmy's from what I've seen of both this year. Problem for the Jimmy's and Ballygarrett is that Taghmon are guaranteed 2nd place already. Can't finish 1st or 3rd. At the same time there is good competition for places in the Taghmon team this year and meeting the Alley in the Park would be a game any club hurler would rise their game for!"
From what I know, no club takes it easy vs Buffers Alley? Its a bit like when a club plays Man United or Liverpool, or more accurately in the case of Buffers Alley, Notts Forest."]Think the Alley were relatively more successful than Forest. Only club in Wexford to ever win the big 1!"]Well Forest won 2 in the early 80's so I think maybe Aston Villa then?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 440 - 22/07/2022 16:23:01    2433578

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Replying To zinny:  "No matter what format there is the summer cannot be left free of the potential for playing GAA, that has to be out of bounds. If in the old days, while the lads may not have known when they were playing, they knew they would be playing so everyone was training and engaged. Too many people talking about the negatives of the current structure - the only thing I would change is to make it alternate weeks like in the past. You have the boys on the TV thinking that the intercounty scene drives what happens at the club level, how many kids do they think really start out in the GAA and turn up for training because of what the see on TV? Do kids from non competing counties sit in on a Sunday afternoon and watch other counties play? In the past it was students were heading off to the US as the games didn't start until September so nothing to keep them here, now its lads need to go on holidays, there are a lot of lads who never go away for holidays but want to play games all summer. At the end of the day, there is no perfect solution, players train all year to play as many games as possible in the championship and summer time is the best time for that. That might inconvenience some but for club GAA its the best solution."
You got it spot on zinny. It drives me mental people looking for stuff to complain about. For years, GAA people complained about the raw deal of the club player.
Then the GAA make a much needed change and all people do is moan about holidays.
I hope the GAA give this change long enough for clubs and county teams to get their head around the changes and plan their summer around it, not just going back to a September hurling final because a few pundits with rose tinted glasses can't see the mess that caused in the club games.
I think counties need to be forced to play on instead of waiting around for the J1's to come back. That will give the "move the final to Sept" brigade all the ammo they need.
What isn't good for Donal Og and co is probably good for the club player. Is that not what people want? If not, then what is it they want?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 440 - 22/07/2022 16:29:06    2433581

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