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I would include Down also. Down and Cavan, the traditional Ulster football kingpins, not even competing for Sam, denigrates the whole competition. Teams like Cork and Derry can turnaround fast, and shouldn't be hindered by Croke Park autocrats!"]Down and Cavan both played in the top level championship this year . They just didnt get a second chance to play. I'm not going to bring up the debate whether its right or wrong for div 3/4 teams to get only 1 chance.... but they did get 1 chance."]Offaly appear to be consigned to the scrap heap of Tailteann Cup, despite recently winning underage competition. Croke Park stifles green shoots from traditional counties like this."]Are you seriously suggesting that the like of Cavan, Down and Offaly should be kept out of the tailteann cup (and gain automatic entry to the qualifiers every year) just because they won a few all irelands donkeys years ago. I suppose Cork should as well, no matter how bad they get. There is a reality that Cork, Meath, Down, Offaly (and Derry i up p to this year) have fallen so much they are all fighting to get into the top16 in the country. They are all at least 10 years from competing for SAM on a regular basis. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 13/06/2022 19:24:08 2424800 Link 0 |
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Dare I saw it a Mayo v Kerry minor/senior double header should have been played in Limerick or even Galway.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11426 - 13/06/2022 19:51:39 2424811 Link 4 |
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Any system should be open for underdog to break through. The majority of team sports has that in their Cup competitions
Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 13/06/2022 19:54:06 2424814 Link 1 |
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Well about fifteen years ago Limerick put five goals past ye and were very unlucky to lose by a point to the Royals in a right good game in Portlaoise about ten years ago. On both occasions Meath were not as poor as they are now. I think if most teams had to face Cork or Kerry year in year out interest in football would also subside in their counties.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4469 - 13/06/2022 20:26:46 2424823 Link 1 |
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Well about fifteen years ago Limerick put five goals past ye and were very unlucky to lose by a point to the Royals in a right good game in Portlaoise about ten years ago. On both occasions Meath were not as poor as they are now. I think if most teams had to face Cork or Kerry year in year out interest in football would also subside in their counties.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4469 - 13/06/2022 20:27:11 2424824 Link 1 |
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I'm the first to say Cork are struggling and have not covered themselves in glory getting where they are, but they are there. However I don't see even this Cork team being too concerned about that Meath team in Championship. Cork are probably seen as the weakest left, but they wouldn't be if Meath were there. Roscommon to me look a side very similar to Cork in that they are a bit clueless. However even they took Galway to 3 points. Galway will not get that chance to be so profligate against Armagh. Everybody here saying Donegal should be there and Kildare. It's as though the recent terrible performances don't matter. Cork did lose to Kerry by 10'points, but what happened to Kildare against Dublin? It's very easy to say that Cork are poor. I'm not blind. I can see they're not the greatest. However, let's be honest. Some of the teams mentioned on here such as Kildare, Meath, Roscommon and a few more are not much better when it matters in championship. Clare certainly deserve to be seen in the same light as all of those teams. There's comments here about them pulling off shocks against Roscommon and Meath when I'd see them as peers in division 2. Especially Meath. Clare will be quietly happy with the draw. Will they beat Derry. Maybe not, but they know them well and will prefer them to the other 3 maybe. I'd also say Armagh will be happy with their draw. If Roscommon put 2-16 up against Galway, I'd say the Armagh attack will fancy it. For me it's likely to be Dublin, Armagh and the two hardest to call are potentially the other two games, but I'll go with Kerry and Derry, but would not be surprised if those two were reversed. I will caveat by saying that Mayo cannot give Kerry the start they have given everybody else though, or it will be over before half time. BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 312 - 13/06/2022 20:28:09 2424825 Link 0 |
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Munster clearly the strongest province. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13780 - 13/06/2022 20:52:18 2424826 Link 8 |
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Do you want them to lock the gates and force the crowd to watch the 2 games?
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2004 - 13/06/2022 20:55:38 2424827 Link 0 |
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It's worse than that Mick. It means my in-laws are staying over. Disaster. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13780 - 13/06/2022 21:48:17 2424837 Link 5 |
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Brilliant! Ah Mesamis it's something to look forward to ha ha
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3851 - 14/06/2022 08:22:27 2424846 Link 0 |
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That's the way the cookie crumbles. Like Ulster we will grin and bear it.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3851 - 14/06/2022 08:30:07 2424849 Link 0 |
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Top tier: Division 1 and top 3 of Division 2. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8385 - 14/06/2022 09:07:17 2424858 Link 0 |
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Tough test against Armagh for Galway but Armagh won't get half the space they got against Donegal. In fairness our historically naïve defence has done well in the previous two games. Comer staying injury free which is never guaranteed could be the difference. I predict a repeat of 2001 quarter final with a 1 point win for Galway. Interestingly, we played Derry in the semi-final that same year. hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 417 - 14/06/2022 09:07:58 2424859 Link 0 |
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Game is on SKY who probably tell GAA when to schedule.
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 14/06/2022 09:08:28 2424860 Link 0 |
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I would include Down also. Down and Cavan, the traditional Ulster football kingpins, not even competing for Sam, denigrates the whole competition. Teams like Cork and Derry can turnaround fast, and shouldn't be hindered by Croke Park autocrats!"]Down and Cavan both played in the top level championship this year . They just didnt get a second chance to play. I'm not going to bring up the debate whether its right or wrong for div 3/4 teams to get only 1 chance.... but they did get 1 chance."]Offaly appear to be consigned to the scrap heap of Tailteann Cup, despite recently winning underage competition. Croke Park stifles green shoots from traditional counties like this."]Are you seriously suggesting that the like of Cavan, Down and Offaly should be kept out of the tailteann cup (and gain automatic entry to the qualifiers every year) just because they won a few all irelands donkeys years ago. I suppose Cork should as well, no matter how bad they get. There is a reality that Cork, Meath, Down, Offaly (and Derry i up p to this year) have fallen so much they are all fighting to get into the top16 in the country. They are all at least 10 years from competing for SAM on a regular basis."]Down won all Ireland's in 1960,61,68,91, 94… all of them more recent than Mayo. Tailteann Cup will go the way of it's predecessor Tommy Murphy Cup! Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 14/06/2022 09:13:43 2424862 Link 0 |
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Hurling and football are different sports, fundamentally so, no point in comparing them IMO, especially given that the elite pool is much less deep in hurling. And I would definitely argue that being in Division One matters for football, given that very few counties have come from Division Two to win Sam in recent decades. There's no way that the Munster Football Championship is competitive, either at present or historically. Kerry with their 83 wins are far out ahead of anyone else, and the last two provincial seasons have been cakewalks for them. This is not a dig at Limerick or anyone else, in fact I would rate Limerick as one of the premier sporting counties of Ireland. But Cork definitely had a more manageable route to the quarter-finals this year than several of the other teams who ended up there, especially the other sides coming through the qualifiers. Fair play to Clare on their wins over Meath and Roscommon, but if they repeat the trick against Derry, it will be a massive shock. To claim on that basis that Munster is the best football region in Ireland seems daft to me, or indeed on the basis of the new qualifier system allowing four teams in. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 14/06/2022 09:30:01 2424867 Link 1 |
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Yes Rockies. The gaa tell us that they lose money opening croke park unless they have a certain figure but when sky are on board they compensate the gaa and call the shots. The fans are even a thought. The gaa have become a very selfish organisation.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3851 - 14/06/2022 09:54:24 2424875 Link 0 |
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Yet if counties in Leinster put forward a similar reason why interest is waning the self-help gurus are on here telling them to stop feeling sorry for themselves and to try harder. The reality is that there is one winner of the championship every year. That has now been made the preserve of a very small number of counties. There are a good number of counties making up the rest of the 16 who could all beat each other on any given day and the fior-gaels will latch onto it straight away telling us we have a great competition and how teams are making progress. Clare have been a solid division 2 team for a few years now, so it is no surprise that when the draw is kind they can make the last 8. But next year when it is someone else's turn the "progress" these teams are making will be forgotten about and people will clutch at the next straw. I get that people like to see some hope for their team, but you have to be realistic. No-one is getting closer to that small group of potential winners and won't be any time soon. The best news at the weekend was the crowd size in croke park. Finally people are seeing this sham for what it is and staying away. Hard luck if your team gets to the semi-finals and finals though, as you are probably going to have to make up the shortfalls in revenue with what you'll pay for your tickets. Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 523 - 14/06/2022 10:29:10 2424884 Link 0 |
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That game against armagh in 01 was a couple of games before the quarter I think. I remember watching it in a pub in new York surrounded by boisterous armagh fans,well, they were boisterous until Paul Clancy sent them packing. Let's hope for more of the same on Sunday week. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 14/06/2022 10:32:32 2424886 Link 0 |
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Ah, so now you want to re-tier things? I recall you shooting down any suggestion I had on another thread when I said that the current tiers are not fit for purpose as they are...
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2451 - 14/06/2022 11:17:55 2424899 Link 0 |