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2 of the top 4 in the all Ireland football roll of honour are munster teams, not bad for a hurling province.
Cork have more all Irelands than most of leinster put together.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 13/06/2022 14:21:20
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Replying To Gleebo: "Of course it does, Cork are there by virtue of beating Division Three sides Louth and Limerick, while the likes of Armagh and Mayo have had to beat Division One opposition in both rounds of the qualifiers. Derry had to beat three Division One sides to get to the All-Ireland quarter finals.
Fair play to Clare in upsetting the apple cart against Roscommon, but Derry will be firm favourites in their quarter final.
You're fooling nobody claiming that the Munster SFC is competitive, it isn't, or else Kerry wouldn't have won their provincial championship ties by twelve and twenty three points respectively." Yet a team that was beaten by 23 points, beat Clare at home and yet Clare beat both Meath, the second most successful county in Leinster and beat the Runners up in Connacht. If hurling is anything to go the League means absolutely nothing.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4469 - 13/06/2022 14:27:51
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Replying To endgame: "You can totally argue with him because what he said is not correct. The system is lopsided and the best 8 teams are not the last 8 teams." So Clare aren't better than Roscommon, is that what you're saying? Nothing wrong with system if your winning.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2168 - 13/06/2022 14:32:04
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Replying To anotheralias: "Lets do the Maths here . Firstly all Div1/2 teams made it to the AI series. So as 4 out of 6 Munster teams were div 1/2 then theres your 67%. Connacht 3 out of 5 , 60%. Marginal enough difference,
Okay getting to the last 12.
4 Munster teams ( still 67%) thanks to Cork drawing Louth ( a promoted Div 3 team) and Clare getting a great result v Meath.
Connacht still with 60& as Mayo beat Monaghan ( a Div 1 team since Adam was a boy)
Now down to the QFs
Munster down to 3 ( 50%) well it was always going to be down 1 after the draw with Cork beating the second of the 2 div 3 promoted teams and Clare having a great result overturning the Rossies bringing Galway representation down to 40%.
Now I'm certainly not saying that Connacht is anywhere near the strongest province ( Ulster is by a mile), but the stats are that being brandished to suggest Munster domination are actually very marginally better than Connachts stats and would actually be behind them if werent for the Clare / Ros game which was really a knife edge toss of the coin and most independent observer's would agree that if Ros were to play Clare again tomorrow they would be favourites ( marginally)." Clare, Cork, Tipperary and now Limerick are at a similar level. Clare have beaten the Connacht finalists and Division 2 champions. Tipperary have made the two semi-finals I've referred to. A sign of the quality in Munster. Sure provincial titles have been difficult to come by. Unlike their Leinster counterparts however, Munster teams have gone well in the All-Ireland series.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8385 - 13/06/2022 14:43:22
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "It is a foolish man who thinks Cork and Clare are better teams than Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and Kildare.
The luck of the draw is part of the gig though so good luck to them. Hope they don't get roasted alive the next day out.
Would love to see Kerry v Mayo in Salthill and Cork v Dublin on Cork
Anything else will have an empty stadium" Clare have beaten Kildare the last two teams the teams have met. So you could definitely say that Clare are as good if not better then Kildare. Kildare are the most overrated team in the country in my opinion to be honest, not trying to be too harsh on them.
We lost by 3 points to Donegal in a League a few years ago so we would feel we would give Donegal a game of it. Based on Tyrone's and Monaghan's performances this year we would be more then a match for both Tyrone and Monaghan.
The reality is that we in Clare are very underrated by most of the country, but that suits Colm and the team. They go about their business really well and they are a team that you are proud to support and proud to get behind.
CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 57 - 13/06/2022 14:50:08
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Replying To anotheralias: "Lets do the Maths here . Firstly all Div1/2 teams made it to the AI series. So as 4 out of 6 Munster teams were div 1/2 then theres your 67%. Connacht 3 out of 5 , 60%. Marginal enough difference,
Okay getting to the last 12.
4 Munster teams ( still 67%) thanks to Cork drawing Louth ( a promoted Div 3 team) and Clare getting a great result v Meath.
Connacht still with 60& as Mayo beat Monaghan ( a Div 1 team since Adam was a boy)
Now down to the QFs
Munster down to 3 ( 50%) well it was always going to be down 1 after the draw with Cork beating the second of the 2 div 3 promoted teams and Clare having a great result overturning the Rossies bringing Galway representation down to 40%.
Now I'm certainly not saying that Connacht is anywhere near the strongest province ( Ulster is by a mile), but the stats are that being brandished to suggest Munster domination are actually very marginally better than Connachts stats and would actually be behind them if werent for the Clare / Ros game which was really a knife edge toss of the coin and most independent observer's would agree that if Ros were to play Clare again tomorrow they would be favourites ( marginally)." I think Munster is one of the weakest provinces to be honest. If you take the top 3 teams from every province, and pair them off - Munster come off worse every time.
Munster: Kerry, Cork & Clare
Leinster: Dublin, Kildare & Meath
Ulster: Armagh, Derry, Donegal. Some might argue Tyrone but just basing off this year.
Connacht: Galway, Mayo, Roscommon.
Yeah Kerry beat pretty much everyone from every province, but as do Dublin. Meath have played Cork this year and beat them well, and played Clare twice with each team winning a tight game. But Meath would probably always start as favourties.
Kildare would beat both Clare and Cork in my opinion.
Armagh, Derry or Donegal would all be big favourites against Clare or Cork.
Galway & Mayo would beat Clare or Cork and Roscommon would definitley start as favourties if they played Clare again tomorrow.
So I don't know how people can say the Munster championship is somehow the strongest just because 3 teams have made it through to the last 8. Cork beat Louth and Limerick at home to go through, and they didn't breeze past either one. While Clare have definitely earned their right to be there, they avoided the big guns enroute. The look of the draw has definitely played a role here. A bit of common sense needed from people. Statistics only tell one side of the story.
hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 254 - 13/06/2022 14:55:30
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "It is a foolish man who thinks Cork and Clare are better teams than Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and Kildare.
The luck of the draw is part of the gig though so good luck to them. Hope they don't get roasted alive the next day out.
Would love to see Kerry v Mayo in Salthill and Cork v Dublin on Cork
Anything else will have an empty stadium" Could see the Dubs having to go to Cork alright, but Kerry folk will stray no further than Limerick if it's not in Croker as part of a double-header. Managers would probably both opt for Dublin (hotels etc permitting).
Tough draw for Galway, but if they get over Armagh the final beckons. They have the sort of players who can dismantle Derry assuming Clare don't ambush them first.
Dubs should pull clear of Cork but might be after more of a workout than many are suggesting, especially if it's in POC.
The good ship Mayo has been bumping along through the ice field and now the Kerry iceberg looms. The Mayo rudder has been jamming of late, but it'll take an almighty manoeuvre to avoid a full on collision and icebergs don't sink, do they? As one of the Kerry posters already suggested, it'll be a terrific tune-up for Kerry before facing down their nemesis in the real final. The prefect preparation courtesy of Mayo's wooden legged band of pirates!
Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 13/06/2022 15:02:22
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Some lovely, and unusual ties there. Obviously everyone will be waiting for Mayo to do their usual Lazarus impression and remind everyone why they can never be written off.
Personal bias aside, I think Armagh and Galway has the potential to be a thrilling competition. Galway has nothing to lose at this stage; promotion to Div 1 and a Connacht title is a good season's work. Now they're just playing for themselves, so it'll be interesting to see how motivated Joyce will have them. Armagh dismantled Donegal yesterday but personally I don't read too much into that. Donegal has failed to ignite in this years championship and I'd say their unexpected defeat to Derry had a lot of heads-dropping in that camp. But it's clear Armagh are fired-up and a team with a mission; so while I think in terms of quality both teams are comparable, if Galway can't find that passion on the day it'll be a tight Armagh win.
festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3143 - 13/06/2022 15:06:54
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Replying To anotheralias: " Replying To Rockies: "[quote=Rockies: "[quote=hyperache: "Galway v Armagh
Kerry v Mayo
Dublin v Cork
Derry v Clare
Glad we didn't get the obligatory all Ulster clash, some nice games there
Galway v Armagh: Big test for both teams, Galway have come through Connaught/ Qualifiers in recent years promising so much, but have fallen flat on their face. I think they are stronger this year but I also think Armagh might be too streetwise for them. Croke Park really seemed to suit Armagh when they beat Dublin in the league, and if they get any sort of lead - expect them to be hard to peg back. Armagh by 3
Kerry v Mayo: Wasn't impressed with Mayo on Saturday, they showed great fight and spirit to come back - but we know having seen them come to Croke Park on big occasions before - they are all fight and spirit. They will need to improve big time to even trouble Kerry. Only worry for Kerry is that after coming through a very uncompetitive Munster championship, will they be vulnerable against a division 1 team? Kerry will have one eye on Dublin in the semis and complacency could be their only Achilles heel here. Kerry by 5
Dublin v Cork: Would have been nice to see Dublin get a test at this stage, an Armagh or Mayo might have been interesting but this is as one sided as they come. Cork narrowly avoided the drop in the league, watched them play Meath in Navan this year and they were a shambles. They've definitely improved since, but have benefited from a nice set of qualifier fixtures at Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Would be shocked if they kept it under 12-15 points, Dublin look menacing this year. Dublin by 17
Derry v Clare: Great fixture for both teams, real underdog story. Derry were unlucky to miss out on promotion to Division 1 but proved they are every bit a division 1 team in the Ulster Championship this year. Their style is not pretty but it's effective and I think they will have too much for Clare. The Banner have been impressive, they would have been underdogs in both qualifier games but found a way through and it wouldn't be a huge shock if they did it again here. But big opportunity for Derry, a winnable Semi Final awaits them if they come through it and I think they will. Derry by 4" Derry are the turnaround team of the decade. A few years ago, they were languishing in division 4, and lucky not to be perennial candidates for the Tailteann Cup. Hopefully that doomed competition doesn't bury teams like Cavan from even competing for Sam!"
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 13/06/2022 15:17:20
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Replying To Oldtourman: "Yet a team that was beaten by 23 points, beat Clare at home and yet Clare beat both Meath, the second most successful county in Leinster and beat the Runners up in Connacht. If hurling is anything to go the League means absolutely nothing." Meath haven't won a Leinster Championship since 2010, and an all Ireland since 1999, so successful on paper. But it might just be the worse Meath team for 20 years Clare beat.
League form is a definitely more relevant in football though, the top hurling teams don't seem to give a toss about it. But you can't take results literally, because if you do - this year's league and championship looks like that: Clare beat Meath who beat Cork who beat Limerick who beat Clare who lost to Meath.
hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 254 - 13/06/2022 15:25:10
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Replying To hyperache: "Galway v Armagh
Kerry v Mayo
Dublin v Cork
Derry v Clare
Glad we didn't get the obligatory all Ulster clash, some nice games there
Galway v Armagh: Big test for both teams, Galway have come through Connaught/ Qualifiers in recent years promising so much, but have fallen flat on their face. I think they are stronger this year but I also think Armagh might be too streetwise for them. Croke Park really seemed to suit Armagh when they beat Dublin in the league, and if they get any sort of lead - expect them to be hard to peg back. Armagh by 3
Kerry v Mayo: Wasn't impressed with Mayo on Saturday, they showed great fight and spirit to come back - but we know having seen them come to Croke Park on big occasions before - they are all fight and spirit. They will need to improve big time to even trouble Kerry. Only worry for Kerry is that after coming through a very uncompetitive Munster championship, will they be vulnerable against a division 1 team? Kerry will have one eye on Dublin in the semis and complacency could be their only Achilles heel here. Kerry by 5
Dublin v Cork: Would have been nice to see Dublin get a test at this stage, an Armagh or Mayo might have been interesting but this is as one sided as they come. Cork narrowly avoided the drop in the league, watched them play Meath in Navan this year and they were a shambles. They've definitely improved since, but have benefited from a nice set of qualifier fixtures at Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Would be shocked if they kept it under 12-15 points, Dublin look menacing this year. Dublin by 17
Derry v Clare: Great fixture for both teams, real underdog story. Derry were unlucky to miss out on promotion to Division 1 but proved they are every bit a division 1 team in the Ulster Championship this year. Their style is not pretty but it's effective and I think they will have too much for Clare. The Banner have been impressive, they would have been underdogs in both qualifier games but found a way through and it wouldn't be a huge shock if they did it again here. But big opportunity for Derry, a winnable Semi Final awaits them if they come through it and I think they will. Derry by 4" Ha! Let's see Armagh handle Shane Walsh in full flight!!
Hupgalway (Galway) - Posts: 252 - 13/06/2022 15:39:27
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@Hupgalway: we'll need the whole team to be suckin' diesel if we're going to get past Armagh, Walsh won't do it on his own.
festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3143 - 13/06/2022 16:02:28
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Replying To festinog: "@Hupgalway: we'll need the whole team to be suckin' diesel if we're going to get past Armagh, Walsh won't do it on his own." Galway are better weathered team and experienced than Armagh… Comer, Niall Daly, Finnerty, Heaney, and Tierney and Conroy will all need to be well nailed down by the Armagh defence if they are out shine Galway… let's see!
Hupgalway (Galway) - Posts: 252 - 13/06/2022 16:16:56
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Replying To Saynothing: "So Clare aren't better than Roscommon, is that what you're saying? Nothing wrong with system if your winning." Are Clare better than Donegal/Tyrone/Monaghan/Kildare? I don't think so...
Clare deserve to be in the QFs as they have qualified fairly through the current system but they are not in the top 12 teams in the country.
Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 518 - 13/06/2022 16:36:47
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Interesting to see that all the Kerry, Mayo and Galway supporters will all have to travel long distances back home to be available for work on Monday morning, while the Dublin supporters who live near Croke Park will be able to enjoy a few pints on Saturday night again.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 642 - 13/06/2022 16:37:28
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The GAA have made a balls of the q final set up in Croker also.
No one from Derry or Clare will stick around to watch Dublin hockey Cork (and no one from Cork will go at all)
No one from Kerry will be there on the Sunday add not many from Mayo either. Play the Armagh crowd will be up the road as fast as lightning if they win
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 13/06/2022 16:39:50
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Replying To Hupgalway: "Galway are better weathered team and experienced than Armagh… Comer, Niall Daly, Finnerty, Heaney, and Tierney and Conroy will all need to be well nailed down by the Armagh defence if they are out shine Galway… let's see!" Lots of things to watch in this game that's for sure. If our defense is as leaky as it was against Roscommon, when it shouldn't have been, we'll have some serious issues. I know that game was practically done and dusted, but we should have seen the game out before the celebrations began. That's why I'm curious to see what mental state the players will be in against Armagh. Should be a great game and could go either way. Heart says Galway, head says Armagh.
festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3143 - 13/06/2022 16:54:28
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Replying To Temple56: "Cork literally lost by 10+ points to Kerry and beat two div 3 teams Louth and Limerick and are in a QF. You can say that that's the luck of the draw but the provincial championships are the problem. Dublin/Kerry two best teams the country but haven't been tested yet. Very unfair on the likes of Tyrone All Ireland Champions if they were in Leinster in place of Dublin they would have a QF against Mayo to look forward too.
Have the Provincial Championships in January and have a 16 team All Ireland 4 groups of 4. Top 2 from each group get a QF." Your argument is wrong from beginning. Louth and Limerick are Division 2 teams. That's the thing about going up. Your 16 team All Ireland would still have Louth and Limerick. I mentioned the 4 group top 16 teams last year and still think it's a good idea but this system is still better than the old qualifiers. You don't need the likes of Down or other teams that are going to get thumpings. Every team has its place.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2168 - 13/06/2022 17:03:48
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Derry
Armagh
Dublin
Mayo
All to win
SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 161 - 13/06/2022 18:34:44
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Fixtures announced. Very unfair on Cork an evening game on a sat evening. With low accommodation it means day travel very hard for Cork supporters. No reason why game could nt be played at 4pm.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3851 - 13/06/2022 18:44:46
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