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2022 All-Ireland SFC Quarter-Finals

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Replying To Galway9801:  "That game against armagh in 01 was a couple of games before the quarter I think.
I remember watching it in a pub in new York surrounded by boisterous armagh fans,well, they were boisterous until Paul Clancy sent them packing.
Let's hope for more of the same on Sunday week."
You are right - how could I forget that it was the Rossie's in the q final. They are talking about it since! It was the 1st year of backdoor and they had beaten us in Connaught! Armagh will without a doubt bring a huge crowd hopefully we do too. Both teams have not had a better chance of success in a long time.

hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 417 - 14/06/2022 11:18:54    2424900

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Replying To festinog:  "@Hupgalway: we'll need the whole team to be suckin' diesel if we're going to get past Armagh, Walsh won't do it on his own."
There'll be no shortage of diesel about.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2168 - 14/06/2022 11:25:53    2424906

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Would there be an arguement for the era of the late 90s and most of the 00's being the best period in GAA football history interms of excitement and competitiveness?

From 1995 to 2010 we had:
Dublin, Meath, Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Tyrone and Cork as winners.
We also had teams like Laois, Westmeath, Kildare, Derry and Sligo winning provincial titles and who can forget Fermanagh's great run to the semi finals in 2004? Donegal also had a couple of good charges in the qualifiers in 2002 and 2003.

It was also peak Celtic Tiger era. Games were well attended and it seemed like we hadn't a care in the world!

I realize there is always a danger at looking back at things with rose tinted glasses and nostalgia. But in 2022 it's practically impossible to bring family to every county game. The competition is lop sided and unfair. It will be very interesting to see what the attendances are like this weekend and at the business end of the Championship.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9527 - 14/06/2022 11:30:21    2424909

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It will be interesting to see what sort of crowds turn up for both the hurling and football semi finals.

There should be a full house in Thurles you would imagine. Indeed, either one would surely get 30,000?

There is no reason the football ought not be in more user friendly places. Thurles maybe for Dublin/Cork and Kerry/Mayo?

Either of others would probably fill any of the midlands, south Ulster grounds.

People are certainly starting to feel the pinch on travel and accommodation. Dublin is ridiculously expensive with all the demands raining down from across the globe. You certainly wouldn't be planning on staying over even if you did get somewhere.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3226 - 14/06/2022 11:35:48    2424913

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Yes Rockies. The gaa tell us that they lose money opening croke park unless they have a certain figure but when sky are on board they compensate the gaa and call the shots. The fans are even a thought. The gaa have become a very selfish organisation."
The figure bandied around was that a 35k attendance was required for the GAA to make money in Croke Park.

There was 16,425 in Croke Park for the double-header last Saturday. Fans voting with their feet.

jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 14/06/2022 12:35:44    2424926

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Come on guys, posters from Munster coming with representation percentage and the amount of tittles in munster is just proving our point that Ulster is the tightest and best province. Munster teams stroll through munster and then if the qualifiers are kind low and behold they are in the AI series.

Kerry is the only team that would make an ulster final whereas if the top four of ulster were in munster you could say goodbye to Limerick/Clare/Tipp making another munster Final.

naomh_conaill_4 (Donegal) - Posts: 499 - 14/06/2022 13:12:35    2424934

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Replying To naomh_conaill_4:  "Come on guys, posters from Munster coming with representation percentage and the amount of tittles in munster is just proving our point that Ulster is the tightest and best province. Munster teams stroll through munster and then if the qualifiers are kind low and behold they are in the AI series.

Kerry is the only team that would make an ulster final whereas if the top four of ulster were in munster you could say goodbye to Limerick/Clare/Tipp making another munster Final."
It's pretty obvious that Ulster championship is better than Munster. One of the reasons being that hurling is pretty much non existent in Ulster with the exception of Antrim who are weak. Munster teams would lose a lot of good footballers to hurling. Does the competitive nature of Ulster hinder its teams or is it an advantage? Ulster have 7 All Irelands over last 20 years so I don't think it makes much of a difference. Best team generally wins.

hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 417 - 14/06/2022 13:59:02    2424947

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Replying To naomh_conaill_4:  "Come on guys, posters from Munster coming with representation percentage and the amount of tittles in munster is just proving our point that Ulster is the tightest and best province. Munster teams stroll through munster and then if the qualifiers are kind low and behold they are in the AI series.

Kerry is the only team that would make an ulster final whereas if the top four of ulster were in munster you could say goodbye to Limerick/Clare/Tipp making another munster Final."
Ulster has a lot of counties in the top third in the country. There's no doubt about that. A lot of Munster counties are competitive in the middle third. This is resulting in Tipperary making 2 All-Ireland semi-finals and Munster representation in this year's quarter-finals. Munster is a better standard than it is given credit for.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8385 - 14/06/2022 14:16:37    2424953

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Brilliant! Ah Mesamis it's something to look forward to ha ha"
Easier for you to say Mick, you won't have West Corkonians staying in your gaf all weekend and eating all your food!

Latest I've heard is that they're arriving Friday and then they'll play to by ear!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13780 - 14/06/2022 16:59:42    2425003

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Would there be an arguement for the era of the late 90s and most of the 00's being the best period in GAA football history interms of excitement and competitiveness?

From 1995 to 2010 we had:
Dublin, Meath, Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Tyrone and Cork as winners.
We also had teams like Laois, Westmeath, Kildare, Derry and Sligo winning provincial titles and who can forget Fermanagh's great run to the semi finals in 2004? Donegal also had a couple of good charges in the qualifiers in 2002 and 2003.

It was also peak Celtic Tiger era. Games were well attended and it seemed like we hadn't a care in the world!

I realize there is always a danger at looking back at things with rose tinted glasses and nostalgia. But in 2022 it's practically impossible to bring family to every county game. The competition is lop sided and unfair. It will be very interesting to see what the attendances are like this weekend and at the business end of the Championship."
And they want more games next year. League plus provincials plus 3 group matches and potentially 4 knockout rounds. GAA treats the fans like cash cows.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 14/06/2022 17:24:02    2425015

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Replying To Saynothing:  "There'll be no shortage of diesel about."
Green or red? ;)

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3143 - 14/06/2022 18:19:08    2425021

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Replying To jimski:  "The figure bandied around was that a 35k attendance was required for the GAA to make money in Croke Park.

There was 16,425 in Croke Park for the double-header last Saturday. Fans voting with their feet."
HQ have done some ridiculous things over the years but deciding to bring Roscommon, Mayo and Clare to Croke Park for a round 2 qualifier and the 2nd game set for 6pm on a Saturday is up there with the worst decisions they have made.

If they learn from this mistake fine but i doubt they will.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3924 - 14/06/2022 18:31:03    2425025

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Easier for you to say Mick, you won't have West Corkonians staying in your gaf all weekend and eating all your food!

Latest I've heard is that they're arriving Friday and then they'll play to by ear!"
Ah sure bring them out for a few pints and you ll get over it ha ha

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3851 - 14/06/2022 19:16:19    2425032

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What do ye want?
Free admission?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2004 - 14/06/2022 20:39:28    2425045

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "And they want more games next year. League plus provincials plus 3 group matches and potentially 4 knockout rounds. GAA treats the fans like cash cows."
the players want more games to do they not matter?

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2897 - 15/06/2022 08:54:35    2425069

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "And they want more games next year. League plus provincials plus 3 group matches and potentially 4 knockout rounds. GAA treats the fans like cash cows."
Players want more games. The GAA is delivering next year.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8385 - 15/06/2022 10:10:07    2425078

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We all love our sport but it doesn't put fuel in our cars or bread on our tables. The economy is in a very fragile place and there are no signs that things are going to improve any time soon. Families are already feeling the pinch and will be a lot more prudent with their disposble incomes. Who knows what is going to happen in Ukraine? And the Tories continue to dumbfound with their arrogance and stupidity. All these factors will have a direct effect on the economy - or perhaps more importantly on the likes of you and me.

It's all very well saying the players want more games but if they're being played in half empty stadiums alarm bells will be ringing at GAA HQ. There was already a massive financial hit due to Covid. It might be the case that less is more for the next year or two. DSome tough decisions might need to be made with regard to the stuctures.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9527 - 15/06/2022 10:36:10    2425093

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Replying To naomh_conaill_4:  "Come on guys, posters from Munster coming with representation percentage and the amount of tittles in munster is just proving our point that Ulster is the tightest and best province. Munster teams stroll through munster and then if the qualifiers are kind low and behold they are in the AI series.

Kerry is the only team that would make an ulster final whereas if the top four of ulster were in munster you could say goodbye to Limerick/Clare/Tipp making another munster Final."
Cavan compete pretty well in Ulster from Division 4. I think you over play it. Donegal scraped past Cavan. Everybody lauds it.
If Cork scrape past Limerick it shows how poor Cork are. Well if you look at your league seedings as many of you seem to swear by, Limerick are a tougher proposition to Cavan.
However, I know where Cork are in terms of quality etc. We are a mediocre team battling to go as far as we can. We needed a favourable draw just to be competitive and even then would probably be put to the sword by half time. Against Dublin we are very much out of our depth, but then everybody they've played to date was as well.
There are 4 teams who are top level, Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone normally and Mayo at the moment but they could begin to fall out of the group in the next week or so. Galway and Armagh are on the rise but could just as easily fall backwards. I think the rest of the teams in division 1 & 2 are pretty much on par, including Donegal.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 312 - 15/06/2022 10:54:08    2425098

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Replying To Stmunnsriver:  "the players want more games to do they not matter?"
But will this come at a cost? Will clubs be delayed all over the country again like in other years so as to keep the few "elite" players happy? We all know clubs do not want to play without the county lads and therefore ordinary club players are left high and dry while the few lads at the top play with the county!!

howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 15/06/2022 11:09:18    2425105

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "Cavan compete pretty well in Ulster from Division 4. I think you over play it. Donegal scraped past Cavan. Everybody lauds it.
If Cork scrape past Limerick it shows how poor Cork are. Well if you look at your league seedings as many of you seem to swear by, Limerick are a tougher proposition to Cavan.
However, I know where Cork are in terms of quality etc. We are a mediocre team battling to go as far as we can. We needed a favourable draw just to be competitive and even then would probably be put to the sword by half time. Against Dublin we are very much out of our depth, but then everybody they've played to date was as well.
There are 4 teams who are top level, Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone normally and Mayo at the moment but they could begin to fall out of the group in the next week or so. Galway and Armagh are on the rise but could just as easily fall backwards. I think the rest of the teams in division 1 & 2 are pretty much on par, including Donegal."
You've got it a bit backwards there pal. You're calling Cavan a Division 4 level Championship team when they're anything but. Been in Division 1 multiple times recently, have won a provincial title, and are generally strong in Championship. Sure League form was brutal last few seasons, but Championship form wasn't. Only Dublin, Tyrone, and Donegal have beaten Cavan in Championship last 5 years. So you're all twisted around here. This ain't the argument you think it is. Cavan have better Championship pedigree than Limerick

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2451 - 15/06/2022 11:30:27    2425113

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